medeelel18 banned by LiarGG

medeelel18 · Post by **medeelel18** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:55 am #659211

BYOND account: medeelel18
Character name: Sergeyevich Morozov
Ban type: Server
Ban length: Unable to find
Ban reason: Unable to find
Time ban was placed: Around 1am, China
Server you were playing on when banned: Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: 196278
Your side of the story:Mime breaks windows in medical, results in medbay being pillaged and medical stocks depleted. Proceeds to then make an attempt to break into my office infront of me, using a fire axe to break my glass. I hit him, into the shock grille, thinking he would stop but no, he grabs a glass shard in what would be an attempt to break the grille so I straight up beat him up on the spot. Chemist cuffs him and we start demanding he speak, fucking around with him, he proceeds to not so we beat his skull in (something that was already going to happen). I surgically heal him, defibrillate, and take him to brig after making cynical remarks about beating him in brig, in actuality I was going to jail him. Proceeds to get uncuffde by secoff, instantly going for me knocking me down, taking my crowbar and trying to beat me with it. I beat him with a baseball bat, secoffs do literally nothing so my lethal options are only valid to be used. He is critted, taken to prison infirmary, I attempt to heal him, tell secoff I have salicylic acid, secoff instead takes a stunbaton. Seeing mime in hard crit (blinking red) I decide to take the mime, and inject him without the officer to prevent him from dying, but no, secoff chases me around. Eventually mime does get healed, and I straightjacketed him before doing a meme court trial where I planned to make him kiss a medkit and apologize for the damage done to medical (clown level shit), he instead decides to crash the whole thing and run around, people keep on bumping into us as we try to grab him and buckle ot chair, unavailable options, we corner him in a table and grab him on a seat, but no, he doesnt stop once sat down and gets out yet again, I proceed to beat him, take him to HOS office before making cynical remarks about feeding him to HOS spider(not even possible), Im not even touching him at this point, the chemist is just beating him and I dont bother stopping him considering how much he has fucked my shift over. Proceeds to be defibrillated by me, over four times, pre-medded with salicylic acid. Keeps succumbing, practically beg his ghost to stop succumbing, doesn't listen and I run out of defib charges
Why you think you should be unbanned:

“You may defend your workplace from trespassers who damage or steal property within that space with significantly greater force than elsewhere. If someone is severely disruptive and returns after being ejected, this opens them up to "fun" of the creative workplace death variety.” - Under this rule, when I approached the mime and hit him into the grille, he should have left, rather than grabbing a glass shard in preparation for the destruction of the shock grille. This would, indeed, already have been constituted even before the break in of my office, considering he resulted in the TOTAL incapacitation of my department when he destroyed the glass windows that seperated the medkit storage room, effectively allowing it to be ransacked.

2. “Taking a few items beyond what you need to do your job is usually fine, especially if they're not needed by anyone else. Examples of okay items to take include taking a medkit from the public Medbay lobby or the insulated gloves from tech storage. Hoarding lots of station resources for poor reasons may break this rule and be handled administratively.” - In what world would a mime being the result of my entire department being hoarded and ransacked, be considered “taking a few items”. This is, quite frankly, as it says: “Hoarding lots of “station Resources for poor reasons”. No mime, no person, literally, nobody, needs access to the CMO’s office which constitutes for three traitor objectives, literally, nobody. Medical, was ransacked, destroyed, and the operational capacity of medical was basically incapacitated by the mime, and now he was going for my office. Quite frankly, I think it is unfair that I was banned for this.

3. Did the mime consider asking? What did he expect to happen? Genuinely, there was literally no precedent for no response. Had the mime just pointed at me, pointed at the medkits, or shown me he needed supplies (he was near full health). In this instance, it is clear in my eyes that this was blatant abuse of the fire axe. One tapping windows to get the gear you want, fully knowing that you are in medical, and that there are doctors around, that there is the CMO who was been healing people with beakers of healing chems, to then break my window, try to continue, even after being hit, is in no way, acceptable under any circumstances or means of perception.

4. I dont break into the HOP’s Office or HOS’s office and expect no retaliation: If I was going to break into any head of staff’s office, be it quartermaster, Captain, HOS, HOP, I should expect to be straight up killed. I can't be angry at the fact of the matter that I tried to break into the qm’s office then got riddled with bullets from gun cargo, nor can I attempt to make a breakin to the hop office and expect the HOP to use his telebaton when im holding a fire axe. Such break in, invites, harmful responses on all sides.

5. Banbaiting.... Its very obviously banbaiting to rob a head of staff's office in front of them, proceed to be stopped, attempt to continue, complains in an ahelp after repeatedly attacking myself in the brig, proceeds to make false accusations of myself hoarding medical supplies, and torturing him. I mean what the fuck. I mean, its just medical right? Just the department that keeps you alive, the department that needs to have its supplies in check with their doctors to prevent abuse and theft. But hey, if possesing a fireaxe and security gear isnt already powergaming, self antagging, or bad faith gameplay, I have no idea what is.

6. Guilty untill innocent

First text from admin goes along the lines of: "What happened between you and the mime"
Second message along the lines of: "So let me get this straight, you hoarded medical supplies in your office, murdered the mime for breaking three windows, and tortured him for the rest of the shift?"

Ignorance of the mimes actions in the Ahelps, I mean, has the admin not considered that this mime might not have been good faith considering he robbed a secpoint, stole fireaxe from bridge, and griefed medical? No, he just looked at the "first interaction" which conisisted me of stungrilling him (on the grill he exposed). Who the fuck, breaks into a head of staffs office, while the head of staff is present there, and not with the intention of banbaiting, yet soliciting the forceful response of a department head who is already filled up with the shit?

I dont think shit can be this more biased, I doubt the admin took a look at the parsed logs or the logs before making accusations of myself torturing the mime, killing him over "three windows", or hoarding supplies in my office.

On top of that, the entire situation was blamed on myself, and I was accused of defibbing him to torture him. The fact that the chemist was a traitor, and was constnatly beating him, was completely ignored. I was painted as if I had killed him I quote "8 times" over "3 windows", 3 windows, severely downplays what effect this had on my shift, and medical's shift. Saying that I killed him 8 times is what I see as false, considering the only time I had actually beaten him with an intent to kill was inside of plumbing. I was held, responsible, for the traitors actions.

Other discrepancies that I have seen included:
-Accusation/Conclusion that I cuffed the mime to beat him (I never cuffed anyone)
-Alleged Hoarding of medical supplies in my office (Never happened)
-Failure to take into consideration the Chemists traitor status who prolonged, inflicted damage upon, cuffed, and instead I was treated as if I were responsible for such an incident. (In no way, am I ever going to stop a chemist from beating a mime who just tried to rob my office and decapitated the engine of medical)
-Swept under the rug attitude towards the usage of the fire axe which resulted in the dismantling of medical supplies
-And finally, not to distract from the main point but, why was the mime in possession of a fireaxe again?

So inshort, I got banned for beating a mime who basically was the result of my department collapsing, despite my clear intention to the officer to heal him, he refused me to treat him and I was said to be torturing the mime and have killed him a total of 8 times in the ahelps.

References of good conduct: Ive played on CMSS13 on two seperate accounts, both with spotless records. My most recent one being having IGN of Heino Helmut. Collectivley, around 270hours in total. Spotless record,
Anything else we should know:

The ticket was no properly summarized and the ban was issued after the round ended without proper summary or taking my input into consideration and the ban appeal was very one sided with the admin making accusations on my end which were not factually supported such as myself defiblirating him to torture, or murdering him 8 times. Yeah im not really sure because throughout the whole ticket it seemed like I was guilty untill innocent.

(Oh and if there are many typoghraphical errors its like 10 degrees here so its a bit hard to type)

Post by **Striders13** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:15 am #659213

Ban reason and duration:

Banned from the server permanently - As a CMO repeatedly killed a mime that was breaking into his office to get medical supplies. Going hard on the tide is one thing, but killing, cuffing and then repeatedly killing them over and over again is not an appropriate escalation. Permabanned considering his previous notes and banned. Feel free to appeal this note on the forums.

Post by **Archie700** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:41 am #659232

Logs for the mime succumbing multiple times without any attack by the CMO (link)

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03:10:27	ATTACK	SwadianSupremacy/(Vaughn Powell) attacked Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with baseball bat (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -38.6)	(110, 160, 2)	Fore Primary Hallway
03:10:28	ATTACK	SwadianSupremacy/(Vaughn Powell) grabbed Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) passive grab (NEWHP: -38.6)	(109, 160, 2)	Fore Primary Hallway
03:10:57	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with syringe (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -47.9)	(107, 168, 2)	Brig
03:10:57	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attempted to inject Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with the syringe which had /datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (5u, 0.953326 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (3u, 0.865833 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (2u, 0.944 purity) (NEWHP: -47.9)	(107, 168, 2)	Brig
03:10:58	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with syringe (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -47.9)	(107, 168, 2)	Brig
03:10:58	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attempted to inject Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with the syringe which had /datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (5u, 0.953326 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (3u, 0.865833 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (2u, 0.944 purity) (NEWHP: -47.9)	(107, 168, 2)	Brig
03:10:58	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) injected Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with the syringe which had /datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (5u, 0.953326 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (3u, 0.865833 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (2u, 0.944 purity) (NEWHP: -47.9)	(107, 168, 2)	Brig
03:10:58	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (2.5u, 0.953326 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (1.5u, 0.865833 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (1u, 0.944 purity)) from the syringe to Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -47.9)	(107, 168, 2)	Brig

03:11:29	ATTACK	Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) Has whispered his final words with -9.1 points of health!	(114, 167, 2)	Brig
03:11:29	ATTACK	Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has died (BRUTE: 56.1, BURN: 0, TOX: 0, OXY: 148.347, CLONE: 0)	(114, 167, 2)	Brig
03:12:11	ATTACK	SwadianSupremacy/(Vaughn Powell) grabbed *no key*/(Partner In Mime) aggressive grab (NEWHP: -100)	(115, 165, 2)	Brig
03:12:12	ATTACK	SwadianSupremacy/(Vaughn Powell) attempted to neck grab *no key*/(Partner In Mime) neck grab (NEWHP: -100)	(115, 165, 2)	Brig
03:12:13	ATTACK	SwadianSupremacy/(Vaughn Powell) thrown *no key*/(Partner In Mime) grab from tile in Brig (115,165,2) towards tile at Security Office (115,169,2) (NEWHP: -100)	(115, 165, 2)	Brig
03:12:13	ATTACK	[grille] electrocuted *no key*/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -110.5)	(115, 168, 2)	Security Office
03:12:15	ATTACK	SwadianSupremacy/(Vaughn Powell) grabbed *no key*/(Partner In Mime) passive grab (NEWHP: -110.5)	(114, 167, 2)	Brig
03:13:57	ATTACK	SwadianSupremacy/(Vaughn Powell) grabbed *no key*/(Partner In Mime) passive grab (NEWHP: -110.5)	(125, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office

03:14:29	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) revived Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with the compact defibrillator (NEWHP: -54.1)	(129, 179, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:14:37	ATTACK	Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) Has whispered his final words with -56.8 points of health!	(128, 178, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:14:37	ATTACK	Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has died (BRUTE: 40.5, BURN: 9.2, TOX: 0, OXY: 152.882, CLONE: 0)	(128, 178, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:14:49	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) revived Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with the compact defibrillator (NEWHP: -51.5)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:14:52	ATTACK	Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) Has whispered his final words with -52.9 points of health!	(128, 178, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:14:52	ATTACK	Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has died (BRUTE: 30.5, BURN: 6.9, TOX: 0, OXY: 163.582, CLONE: 0)	(128, 178, 2)	Head of Security's Office

03:14:54	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attempted to inject *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with the syringe which had /datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (7.5u, 0.953326 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (4.5u, 0.865833 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (3u, 0.944 purity) (NEWHP: -100)	(128, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:14:56	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (2.5u, 0.953326 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (1.5u, 0.865833 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (1u, 0.944 purity)) from the syringe to *no key*/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -100)	(128, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:14:56	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) injected *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with the syringe which had /datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (7.5u, 0.953326 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (4.5u, 0.865833 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (3u, 0.944 purity) (NEWHP: -100)	(128, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:14:56	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attempted to inject *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with the syringe which had /datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (5u, 0.953326 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (3u, 0.865833 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (2u, 0.944 purity) (NEWHP: -100)	(128, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:14:58	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (2.5u, 0.953326 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (1.5u, 0.865833 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (1u, 0.944 purity)) from the syringe to *no key*/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -100)	(128, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:14:58	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) injected *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with the syringe which had /datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (5u, 0.953326 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (3u, 0.865833 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (2u, 0.944 purity) (NEWHP: -100)	(128, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:14:58	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attempted to inject *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with the syringe which had /datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (2.5u, 0.953326 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (1.5u, 0.865833 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (1u, 0.944 purity) (NEWHP: -100)	(128, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
[b]03:15:10	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) revived Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with the compact defibrillator (NEWHP: -50)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:15:14	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attempted to inject Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with the syringe which had /datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (2.5u, 0.953326 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (1.5u, 0.865833 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (1u, 0.944 purity) (NEWHP: -41.9)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:15:16	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) injected Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with the syringe which had /datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (2.5u, 0.953326 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (1.5u, 0.865833 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (1u, 0.944 purity) (NEWHP: -37.9)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:15:16	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (2.5u, 0.953326 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (1.5u, 0.865833 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (1u, 0.944 purity)) from the syringe to Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -37.9)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:15:19	ATTACK	Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) Has whispered his final words with -33.8 points of health!	(128, 178, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:15:19	ATTACK	Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has died (BRUTE: 5.7, BURN: 3.2, TOX: 0, OXY: 191.753, CLONE: 0)	(128, 178, 2)	Head of Security's Office[/b]

03:15:28	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) revived Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with the compact defibrillator (NEWHP: -50.1)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:15:30	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) shaken Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -46.1)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:15:31	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) shaken Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -46.1)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:15:32	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) shaken Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -46.4)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:15:33	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) shaken Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -46.4)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:15:34	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) shaken Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -46.6)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:15:35	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) shaken Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -46.6)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:15:35	ATTACK	Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) Has whispered his final words with -46.6 points of health!	(128, 178, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:15:35	ATTACK	Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has died (BRUTE: 0, BURN: 0.9, TOX: 0, OXY: 199.371, CLONE: 0)	(128, 178, 2)	Head of Security's Office

03:15:36	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) shaken *no key*/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -100)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:15:37	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) shaken *no key*/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -100)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:15:38	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) shaken *no key*/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -100)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:15:39	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) shaken *no key*/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -100)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:15:48	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) revived Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with the compact defibrillator (NEWHP: -50.1)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:15:55	ATTACK	Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) Has whispered his final words with -51.6 points of health!	(128, 178, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:15:55	ATTACK	Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has died (BRUTE: 0, BURN: 0, TOX: 0, OXY: 199.995, CLONE: 0)	(128, 178, 2)	Head of Security's Office

03:16:02	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -112)	(129, 178, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:04	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -121)	(129, 178, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:05	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -133)	(129, 178, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:06	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -145)	(129, 178, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:07	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -157)	(129, 178, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:09	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -169)	(129, 178, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:14	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -181)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:15	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -190)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:16	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -202)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:17	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -214)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:18	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -226)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:19	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -238)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:19	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -250)	(127, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:25	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -262)	(128, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:26	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -274)	(128, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:27	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -286)	(128, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:28	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -298)	(128, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:29	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -310)	(128, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:30	ATTACK	Viot45/(Scott Longe) crashed into *no key*/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -310)	(128, 179, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:30	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -322)	(128, 177, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:31	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -331)	(128, 178, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:35	ATTACK	Viot45/(Scott Longe) crashed into *no key*/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -331)	(128, 179, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:37	ATTACK	Viot45/(Scott Longe) crashed into *no key*/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -331)	(128, 179, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:39	ATTACK	Viot45/(Scott Longe) crashed into *no key*/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -331)	(128, 179, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:41	ATTACK	Viot45/(Scott Longe) crashed into *no key*/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -331)	(128, 179, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:42	ATTACK	Viot45/(Scott Longe) crashed into *no key*/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -331)	(128, 179, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:43	ATTACK	Viot45/(Scott Longe) crashed into *no key*/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -331)	(128, 179, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:46	ATTACK	Viot45/(Scott Longe) crashed into *no key*/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -331)	(128, 179, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:47	ATTACK	Viot45/(Scott Longe) crashed into *no key*/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -331)	(128, 179, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:49	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with welding tool (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BURN) (NEWHP: -346)	(129, 179, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:49	ATTACK	Viot45/(Scott Longe) crashed into *no key*/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -346)	(128, 179, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:50	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with welding tool (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BURN) (NEWHP: -361)	(129, 179, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:51	ATTACK	*no key*/(Partner In Mime) suffered: Second Degree Burns to right leg | Damage: 15 (rolled 37/44.3127) | WB: 10 | BWB: 15	(128, 178, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:51	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with welding tool (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BURN) (NEWHP: -372.2)	(129, 179, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:52	ATTACK	*no key*/(Partner In Mime) suffered: Second Degree Burns to left leg | Damage: 15 (rolled 43/44.3127) | WB: 10 | BWB: 15	(128, 178, 2)	Head of Security's Office
03:16:52	ATTACK	Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked *no key*/(Partner In Mime) with welding tool (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BURN) (NEWHP: -383.5)	(129, 179, 2)	Head of Security's Office

Mutilation of the body only happened after the mime denied revival multiple times.

Post by **iansdoor** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:13 pm #659237

Ehh. what bothers me about reading the combat log. ~24 minutes of consistent torture.

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medeelel18 · Post by **medeelel18** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:17 pm #659239

Man you should read the HP stats first and actually see that im beating the dead palpating body of said tider for many parts of this, seeing as this includes reagent transfers, CPR, literal shaking, hugging, stripping, "pickpocketing", it is no surprise this would be large. But if you take a careful examination, perhaps you can see there is a 2 minutes fight in Chemistry (plumbing) and a two minute fight inside of the brig.

02:53:59 - 02:54:41 : Beating mime immediately after he tides my entire medical bay + break in of my office

02:54:41 - 02:55:39 : Beating his dead body (fun stuff)

02:55:47 - 03:01:18 : CPR, defiblriating, application of Libital patch and syringe filled with healing chems + straightjacketing (No beatdown here)

03:03:05 - 03:05:48 : Mime running around courtroom in a straightjacket interfereing with trial, Vaughn instigates a beatdown at 03:03:05 and I join roughly one minute after

In brig: 03:05:34 - 03:07:24 : Mime tries to blindfold me, results in me punching him, (Alex Brown, a secoff uncuffs a mime who he knows tided entirety of medical and attempted to rob my office), well what a surprise:

03:06:39 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) with blindfold (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 83.5) (115, 166, 2) Brig
03:06:39 ATTACK Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with baseball bat (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 53.5) (115, 165, 2) Brig
03:06:39 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) crashed into Ulea1/(Plasma XII) (NEWHP: 67.4) (114, 165, 2) Brig
03:06:42 ATTACK Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) punched Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: 53.5) (113, 165, 2) Brig
03:06:44 ATTACK BingBong34/(Bradley Howard) shoved Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: 53.5) (113, 165, 2) Brig
03:06:44 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) punched BingBong34/(Bradley Howard) (NEWHP: 45.6) (114, 165, 2) Brig
03:06:45 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) kicked Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) (NEWHP: 73) (113, 166, 2) Brig
03:06:45 ATTACK BingBong34/(Bradley Howard) shoved Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: 53.5) (113, 165, 2) Brig
03:06:50 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) with pocket crowbar (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 64) (116, 165, 2) Brig

Seems like, the mime indeed, did attack me, and instigated a fight didnt he huh? But, No, I am the bad guy, since I beat the everliving breath out of him. We can go all technical and whine about escalation or we can see the amount of fuckery the mime has commited all across the board and maybe see that, hey, there is some leniance, as the rules pointed out in departmental defence, and repeated incidents.

No way, you are telling me that the mime:

1. Attacked a "crazy person" holding a baseball bat and tried to blinfold him?
2. Got whacked
3. Comes back, shoves me, kicks me, then uses MY crowbar which I was sorting my inventory with to attack me with it?

No way? I think I even healed him after this!

03:08:31 ATTACK Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) revived Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with the compact defibrillator (NEWHP: -50) (78, 87, 2) Medbay Central
03:08:42 ATTACK Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attempted to inject Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with the syringe which had /datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (7.5u, 0.953326 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (4.5u, 0.865833 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (3u, 0.944 purity) (NEWHP: -52) (78, 87, 2) Medbay Central
03:08:43 ATTACK Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (2.5u, 0.953326 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (1.5u, 0.865833 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (1u, 0.944 purity)) from the syringe to Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -52.7) (78, 87, 2) Medbay Central
03:08:43 ATTACK Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) injected Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with the syringe which had /datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (7.5u, 0.953326 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (4.5u, 0.865833 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (3u, 0.944 purity) (NEWHP: -52.7) (78, 87, 2) Medbay Central
03:08:44 ATTACK Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attempted to inject Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with the syringe which had /datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (5u, 0.953326 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (3u, 0.865833 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (2u, 0.944 purity) (NEWHP: -52.7) (78, 87, 2) Medbay Central
03:08:45 ATTACK Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) injected Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with the syringe which had /datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (5u, 0.953326 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (3u, 0.865833 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (2u, 0.944 purity) (NEWHP: -46.6) (78, 87, 2) Medbay Central
03:08:45 ATTACK Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/medicine/oxandrolone (2.5u, 0.953326 purity), /datum/reagent/medicine/sal_acid (1.5u, 0.865833 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/c2/libital (1u, 0.944 purity)) from the syringe to Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: -46.6) (78, 87, 2) Medbay Central

Wow, so, how many times have I rescusitated him? Twice? Maybe even three times, what is damn right is that he didnt need over 50u of my chemicals if he was going to lie his ass off in an ahelp accusing me of hoarding medical supplies, and straight up torturing him.

Post by **iansdoor** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:55 pm #659247

alright..?

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Unchecked aggressive by your bat the first time, goes to -286 brute on the poor guy. You can refuse to heal them and pass it on your doctor that you asked to epi. The fact, you kept healing them and pinging their heart back and then moved their being from medical, to chemistry, to brig, to courtroom to virology, to medical, to brig, to HoS office. Is that not what the combat log is reading correctly?

medeelel18 · Post by **medeelel18** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 1:13 pm #659253

No way I was in virology for a total of less than one second:

(Filtered out for word "virology")
03:08:09 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) Has whispered his final words with -4.8 points of health! (56, 88, 2) Virology
03:08:10 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has died (BRUTE: 122, BURN: 0, TOX: 0, OXY: 96.5333, CLONE: 0) (56, 88, 2) Virology

"If you were so worked up about tiders.. Why not perma or gulag or just syringe needle of sleepy chemical. However, you can't play what if and captain hindsight as you didn't consider those options." - Not scummy enough to sleep chem someone, no thanks

"Unchecked aggressive by your bat the first time" - I mean yeah mostly other than the fact he tried to break into a head of staff office with me present there, basically only showed a want for destruction, he can ASK for me to open the door, he can ASK me for heals, unfortunately if he was trying to speak to the window, it does not speak english.

"You can refuse to heal them and pass it on your doctor that you asked to epi" - Doctor? You mean, chemist? I am not the type of head of staff to be lazy and to instruct others to do my job for me if im lazy. No, I am the CMO, who has surgery tools, the chemist doesnt, simple as, I heal him, I do the surgery, chemist handles chems.

"medical, to chemistry, to brig, to courtroom to virology, to medical, to brig, to HoS office" - What a tragedy, his legs must be aching after I brought him to the brig and courtroom for legal IC justice wouldnt it

Post by **iansdoor** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 1:20 pm #659256

Wait.. So in the courtroom,
03:03:01 SAY Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) "BEAT HIM"
you forced 60u of double generic brute healing chemicals that heals 7 brute per tick over 50*?
then with yourself and antag chemist went to beat him with bats for ~77 seconds and you are wondering why he attacked you with a crowbar or a blindfold afterwards.

medeelel18 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 1:13 pm No way I was in virology for a total of less than one second:

(Filtered out for word "virology")
03:08:09 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) Has whispered his final words with -4.8 points of health! (56, 88, 2) Virology
03:08:10 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has died (BRUTE: 122, BURN: 0, TOX: 0, OXY: 96.5333, CLONE: 0) (56, 88, 2) Virology

"If you were so worked up about tiders.. Why not perma or gulag or just syringe needle of sleepy chemical. However, you can't play what if and captain hindsight as you didn't consider those options." - Not scummy enough to sleep chem someone, no thanks

"Unchecked aggressive by your bat the first time" - I mean yeah mostly other than the fact he tried to break into a head of staff office with me present there, basically only showed a want for destruction, he can ASK for me to open the door, he can ASK me for heals, unfortunately if he was trying to speak to the window, it does not speak english.

"You can refuse to heal them and pass it on your doctor that you asked to epi" - Doctor? You mean, chemist? I am not the type of head of staff to be lazy and to instruct others to do my job for me if im lazy. No, I am the CMO, who has surgery tools, the chemist doesnt, simple as, I heal him, I do the surgery, chemist handles chems.

"medical, to chemistry, to brig, to courtroom to virology, to medical, to brig, to HoS office" - What a tragedy, his legs must be aching after I brought him to the brig and courtroom for legal IC justice wouldnt it

sure! why not.

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Post by **iansdoor** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 1:33 pm #659260

2:55 is when you carted him away, and 2:56 you begin to tend the battered body. 2:59, you bring the dead body to chemistry to revive there.
I see on manifest.

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That is all I can say and see and I'll leave the conversation at that.

medeelel18 · Post by **medeelel18** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 1:43 pm #659261

Did I go into virology? Not for more than one second, those text messages, are, irrelevant.

"BEAT HIM" - I mean yeah other than the fact it would have ended there with the stupid mime kissing my medkit and going on the rest of his shift, he had to run around and prevent IC court from happening. It was nescescary to beat him so we could buckle him on his chair. No grav, its not possible to drag in the courtroom crowded

"then with yourself and antag chemist went to beat him with bats for ~77 seconds and you are wondering why he attacked you with a crowbar or a blindfold afterwards." - Woah dont put words in my mouth never said I didnt understand why he did it he was attacking me with no ongoing hostile interaction in order to frame me as violating the escalation rule by going into specifics only because in the end I whupped his ass. This is textbook banbaiting,

"you forced 60u of double generic brute healing chemicals that heals 7 brute per tick over 50*?" - What an interesting use of non-suggestive wording, "forced double generic brute chems", yeah there was a lot of malicious intent behind healing someone. You are right, next time I should ask for consent before giving them brute meds. I dont even understand your point here, and why are you arguing with me again? What is your motive? You are helping a banbaiter? Very curious of you to do so

Why isnt the mime on this post? Afterall I did torture you for an hour due to my cynical behaviour isnt it. Or was this just banbaiting?

medeelel18 · Post by **medeelel18** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:14 pm #659266

My take on the admin messages:

"So to get the story straight, he tided into your office (where you have been hoarding med supplies) by breaking 3 windows. To which you reacted by stunning him, cuffing him, then killing him with a bat. Then reviving him, beating him some more, dragging him into the courtroom, beating him some more, then killing him like 4 times and eventually dragging them into the HoS office and leaving them there to rot?"

Sorry what? I never hoarded anything, and your description of "3 windows" is very biased as it doesnt reflect the damage actually caused. I cant say "I got killed for trying to break a door" then also say that the door was the AI upload..., I never fucking cuffed his ass. After the revival there was no fucking beating untill we got the brig where he tried to murder me with a fucking crowbar. Yeah, other than that we summed it all up by leaving him to rot in the HOS office after I made no attempt to revive him which was evident as a result of my defiblirator running out of charges, him wasting my meds, myself pre-medding him, shaking him up, considering bloodloss, and all other factors. He succumbed over four times, with NO injuries. What a load of horseshit

Not gonna lie, I cannot fault them for succumbing after you have been effectively torturing them for a half a round. How does this in any way follow proper escalation in your eyes? I sure do love an admin who accuses me of torture coming to a conclusion that I was actively torturing him long enough to justify succumbing... What the fuck. He gets proved wrong, then proceeds to make another argument to try and assume my guilt. This admin, is actively trying to ban me. Not, resolve a conflict.

I can agree he could've been more proactive in asking you. You demonstrating the poorest possible reaction to his behaviour is a completely different issue tho. You are CONSTANTLY getting yourself into questionable escalations DESPITE being riddled with notes and bans. I am sorry mate but this really cannot go on any longer. Hey man, being forced into a situation by stopping medical robbery and your office from being pillaged is a bit different than getting my self into questionable situations. There was, no analaysis, that you made, to prove another point of view here, you never, considered, aynthing other than my wrongdoing which lead to your bias'd judgement concluding that I had tortured him.

It would, and that escalation would have ended by you eventually killing them. You revivng them and killing them multiple times after that, esentially torturing them is really not okay and is way overescalating. We took him to brig, got uncuffed, attacked me. Obviously a clear indication of reviving to kill huh, courtroom: tries an IC solution, instead, mime reluctant and fucks up the whole thing. Great going.

You killed them 8 times in total. Sorry where the fuck did you get this number from?

You were really not helping the situation by adding in damage, keeping them cuffed, in crit, dragging them around. I really see no interpretation where your approach to this situation would be in any way okay. Logs clearly show myself healing him after each conflict healing him to full HP after each hostile interaction, despite this, I am still painted as keeping him crit. I am not going to uncuff a lunatic who was uncuffed by secoffs, who proceeded to make a run for my crowbar and whack me with it. No, he lost his chance at actually resolving this issue on a normal scale in where I can respect him.

I saw some of it and you sure as hell were not on the side of the mime. Actually don't see how siding with an antag the whole time is supposed to make it any better for you. Listen, these overescalations seem to be a pattern for you, that has not been in any way corrected by notes and bans, so I am gonna be permabanning you. If you feel like this is unjust, you can appeal it on the forums and let headmins decide. If you eventually appeal successfuly, please try to play with other objectives than to kill and grief people. What the fuck... Siding with an antag? As if he had done anything antagonistic, other than him maybe going a little bit far with beating him, this was all justified on his end and he NEVER used his uplink in front of me, made any suspicious bombs/poisons. Infact, the whole time, he was following me and trying to get him in brig.

You know, i've never had any issue with any admin, and have always adhered to bans or admin rulings. But this here, this here is a piece of work.

And this is outrageous: " saw some of it and you sure as hell were not on the side of the mime"... Didnt the mime, banbait me, loot medical, break my windows, try to loot my office, even after being confronted, attempting to loot it yet AGAIN. And minus the fact that the mime tried to murder me with a fucking crowbar in the brig out of all things, I dont think I am under any obligation, or any expectation to not be nuetral in this conflict.

As I quote on quote responded: "It would be unreasonable, to see me in any way to be on the side of the mime, after he had been the result of medical being ransacked and attempting to loot my office"

Hey and for the last line, aint nobody ever not been considered to be banbaiting, killbaiting, when looting a head of staff's office when in presence of the head. Its straight up basically spitting on them, which prompts a harmful response. This was never taken into consideration, rather, it was expected that I peacefully cuff a person wielding a fireaxe who resulted in my department's failure. Super sane stuff

Post by **LiarGG** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:35 pm #659292

Hello, thank you for making an appeal.

Before I get into the meat of the event that prompted the ban, I would like to emphasize the fact that you have been banned on multiple occasions within the past few months and your last warning ban was put in place just last month. During this time you have snown little to no sign of improvement, still picking fights with little justification and still being on the border of what is permissible escalation. I will agree that the ban note could've been clearer with the fact that you are consistently breaking rule 1 and 7. Now let me address what happened in the round.

Your narrative here seems quite odd in a few places. The mime has tided into medbay storage, unable to get healed (meds moved) he then went for meds in your office, which he didn’t manage to open beyond breaking a window and getting electrocuted on the grille. Framing this as “results in medbay being pillaged and medical stocks depleted.” Is a bit odd. Not to mention you were yelling at a man earlier for moving medical stock.

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[2022-12-14 14:41:57.403] SAY: Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) "igor" (Medbay Storage (79,93,2))
[2022-12-14 14:41:57.991] SAY: Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) "what" (Medbay Storage (79,93,2))
[2022-12-14 14:41:58.619] SAY: Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) "in" (Medbay Storage (79,93,2))
[2022-12-14 14:41:59.141] SAY: Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) "the" (Medbay Storage (79,93,2))
[2022-12-14 14:42:00.459] SAY: Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) "absaloute" (Medbay Storage (79,93,2))
[2022-12-14 14:42:01.167] SAY: Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) "fuck" (Medbay Storage (79,93,2))
[2022-12-14 14:42:01.989] SAY: Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) "did you" (Medbay Storage (79,93,2))
[2022-12-14 14:42:02.546] SAY: Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) "do" (Medbay Storage (79,93,2))
[2022-12-14 14:42:03.632] SAY: Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) "to" (Medbay Storage (79,93,2))
[2022-12-14 14:42:04.528] SAY: Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) "my" (Medbay Storage (79,93,2))
[2022-12-14 14:42:04.996] SAY: Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) "medkits" (Medbay Storage (79,93,2))
[2022-12-14 14:42:05.967] SAY: Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) "i mena" (Medbay Storage (80,93,2))
[2022-12-14 14:42:07.387] SAY: Derst Bojma/(Igor Cheryll) "im taking them before doors" (Medbay Storage (85,94,2))
[2022-12-14 14:42:07.834] SAY: Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) "what the fuck" (Medbay Storage (81,93,2))
[2022-12-14 14:42:08.808] SAY: Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) "is the [" (Medbay Storage (81,93,2))
[2022-12-14 14:42:09.856] SAY: Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) "point" (Medbay Storage (81,93,2))
[2022-12-14 14:42:14.512] SAY: Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) "im beating" (Medbay Storage (83,93,2))
[2022-12-14 14:42:16.472] SAY: Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) "every single" (Medbay Storage (83,93,2))
[2022-12-14 14:42:17.178] SAY: Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) "tider" (Medbay Storage (83,93,2))
[2022-12-14 14:42:24.201] SAY: Derst Bojma/(Igor Cheryll) "the tiders will break in anyway" (Medbay Storage (85,94,2))
[2022-12-14 14:42:27.320] SAY: Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) "No" (Medbay Storage (82,93,2))
[2022-12-14 14:42:31.088] SAY: Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) "with that mindset" (Medbay Storage (82,93,2))
[2022-12-14 14:42:32.539] SAY: Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) "they will" (Medbay Storage (82,93,2))
[2022-12-14 14:42:37.206] SAY: Derst Bojma/(Igor Cheryll) "alright" (Medbay Storage (85,94,2))
[2022-12-14 14:42:47.735] SAY: Derst Bojma/(Igor Cheryll) "then i will hide them" (Medbay Storage (85,94,2))

With you defending your workplace, I have no problem. Mime tided in. You beat them? Sure. You kill them in the process? A bit radical but I can see that. How to proceed from there? Revive them and kick them out, or let sec arrest them. Fair stuff. Not how you went around this at all tho.

After critting the mime on the shocked grille, you dragged them into chemistry to full kill them and strip them.. sure. This ended the escalation.
Then you revived them, kept them in cuffs (put on them by the viro) and headed for brig. There you blindfolded them and put a muzzle on them. Then finally headed for courtroom.
Important note here being that throughout this trip around sec, your tot companion was occasionally beating the mime with a baseball bat.

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In the courtroom you held a “meme trial” beginning the whole thing by sentencing them to speak, clearly just humiliating them. During this trial the mime has unbuckled themselves two times, first time being beaten by the tot, the second time being beaten by you and the tot.
During this beating the security were positioning themselves between you and the mime to prevent you from beating them further, shoving you in the process.

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After the security escorted mime out of the courtroom and into the security medical, uncuffing them. You’ve followed them there, was not let to touch the mime and you two side by side leaving sec after about a minute. During the leaving, the mime tried to put a blindfold on you (the very same one you have forced them to wear for the past 5 minutes), to which you immediately strike them with a bat and start beating them. During this the mime attacked you with a crowbar. This was the very first hostile action by the mime against you. Long story short during this fight sec was trying to separate you two, eventually giving up and you dragging the critted mime out of brig with the words “to grinder”.

At around this time the mime has had enough and succumbed. Roughly 15 minutes after their initial death (that ended the first escalation). During this time the mime was cuffed most of the time, casually beaten by the tot that was with you the whole time, attacked by you in the courtroom and humiliated by the “meme trial”.
After him succumbing you have revived them again, had them handcuffed again, brought to sec again, (with the tot beating him the whole time again), him succumbing in brig after being in crit again. Then tided into HoS office with his corpse. Attempted multiple revives in the HoS office and eventually leaving his body in HoS office. Approximately 22 minutes after his original killing…

So to sum up, after you have killed the mime, ending the escalation started by his tiding, you went on a journey to sec that was constantly followed by your tot friend beating the mime and you healing him. You keeping him cuffed for the better part of 20 minutes, blindfolding him for around 5 minutes, mocking him in the courtroom, beating him to crit for trying to escape, getting into scuffle with sec while trying to grief him and eventually breaking into HoS office for SOME reason.

Ye sorry but this is not okay.

After reviving him for the first time, you have kept him in cuffs while leaving the tot to beat him – you preventing him from disengaging, perpetuating the conflict that has led to severe harm to him AFTER the initial conflict has already ended.
You have publicly humiliated them by a “meme trial”.
You were beating them for little to no reason during the trial, as the mime was trying to escape.
You were the one to drag out the conflict to over 20 minutes.

Also of note is your interpretation of events. Saying you never cuffed them is odd considering you were the one to put the straight jacket on them. Saying the mime’s actions resulted in medbay being ransacked is odd as at the time he was breaking in he already had issues finding the desired meds, hence why he went for your office. Also I was the one to originally ahelp the mime as what I’ve seen was looking very excessive. The reason why I got to you so late was getting the logs straight, trying to understand what the hell even happened and eventually consulting how to proceed with Thunder12345, who was on at the time.

This combined with your history of notes and bans within the past few months is what eventually led me to make this a permanent ban. Which is an opinion I still stand by. You are constantly touching the line of what is considered a permissible escalation, your conduct is showing no signs of improvement, and this singulular event is the straw that broke the camel's back. I can agree that the ban reason could've emphasized the fact you are a repeating offender more clearly.
If you so desire I can address your points one by one, but I feel like most of your points were more about the mime rather than your own response to this situation, which was in my eyes way over the line. As of now I stand by this ban. If you disagree with this take, we can wait for headmins' take on this.

medeelel18 · Post by **medeelel18** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:19 am #659360

Yes please id like a headmin review..

"So to sum up, after you have killed the mime, ending the escalation started by his tiding, you went on a journey to sec that was constantly followed by your tot friend beating the mime and you healing him. You keeping him cuffed for the better part of 20 minutes, blindfolding him for around 5 minutes, mocking him in the courtroom, beating him to crit for trying to escape, getting into scuffle with sec while trying to grief him and eventually breaking into HoS office for SOME reason."

"So to sum up, after you have killed the mime, ending the escalation started by his tiding, " - It shouldnt be tiding, as what I have seen here, was largely you ignoring the rule 12 precedent as such. For reference, here are the three rule 12 precedents, however, only two of themis actually applicable here.

1. Playing-to-win is to focus exclusively on a competitive victory condition, such as killing all antagonists. It is not empowering yourself to achieve personal goals, or taking measures to survive the shift
2. Taking a few items beyond what you need to do your job is usually fine, especially if they're not needed by anyone else. Examples of okay items to take include taking a medkit from the public Medbay lobby or the insulated gloves from tech storage. Hoarding lots of station resources for poor reasons may break this rule and be handled administratively.
3. Genuine conflict with other players does not ruin the purpose of the game. Player conflicts will continue to be administrated in line with Escalation Rules.

Im sorry but, rule 2 would rule out tiding a head of staff's office as tiding as A: Station resources needed by someone else (Its my office), B: breaking into medkit storage and then it being looted shortly after is in no mean, taking beyond a few resources of what you or others need.. Especially, in the presence of doctors and the CMO. In addition, I would like to have the possibility to banbaiting and the rule 12 precedents be factored in, him looting a head's office after tiding medical clearly prompts a hard response, and departmental heads / employees of said department are allowed to further exxagerate responses and open up to creative workplace death variety. It is not fair, that I was banned for this all, the mime was clearly here for a destructive purpose, and should be considered as said griefer, nobody ever breaks into a head of staff's office in the persensce of the head of staff, get stopped, attempt to continue, then complain they had lethal force applied... Especially when you are holding a fireaxe...

Rule 1 Precedents

1. Random murders are not acceptable nor is the killing of other players for poor or little reasoning such as ‘My character is insane’. Each unjustified kill is normally met with one 24 hour ban.
2. Spamming any channel is not allowed, this goes for radio spam, AI vox announcement spam, paper at camera spam and other forms of spam. Non-antagonists doing so may not defend themselves and may suffer from IC or OOC consequences. Antagonists can to a certain extent, but may be told by admins to stop if it becomes excessive. Spamming can result from in-game admin intervention ending in you dying, to admin warnings, to bans for excessive or repeated spamming.
3.Rules still apply until the emergency escape shuttle has reached Centcom and the round-end antagonist report has appeared. When the shuttle has reached Centcom, players are free to act as per lone antagonists, detailed in Rule 4. Non-antagonist grief upon the shuttle, from spamming flashbangs for no reason to spraying space lube, can be met with instant 5 (five) minute bans or more.
Four. Unprovoked grief (occasionally known as greytiding), repeated cases of minor unprovoked grief, and unprovoked grief targeted towards specific players or groups (i.e. metagrudging) fall under rule 1. Admins may follow up on grief with allowing the affected parties to ignore normal escalation policy or measures such as warnings or bans.
5. Players who attempt to break into the captain's office, head of personnel's office, or the bridge at or near roundstart for no legitimate reason put themselves at risk for being legitimately killed by the captain, heads of staff, or security.
6. You may defend your workplace from trespassers who damage or steal property within that space with significantly greater force than elsewhere. If someone is severely disruptive and returns after ejected, this opens them up to "fun" of the creative workplace death variety.
[/b]7.Raiding and griefing on servers other than /tg/ may result in bans.
8. Starting a fight in OOC/Dead chat and/or harassing someone across multiple rounds after being informed to stop by an admin may end in a server ban. Conflicts are something that happen, but going out of your way to repeatedly do this will not be tolerated.
9. Regularly starting a round just to see if you are an antagonist (antag rolling) then exiting it (via any means) is not allowed. This also covers any attempts to maximize antagonist probability.

Under rule 6. precendent, he should stunning him into the grille and waiting is clearly not an invitation for you to use a glass shard to proceed to make an attempt to break the grille open. This is clearly in violation of the rule 1 precedents NO.6 as it clearly sates that I am allowed to defend my workplace with signifcantly more force than elsewhere. Additionally, when you can consider the amount of destruction he has caused in medical, it would be classified to open up the possibility to "fun of the creative workplace death variety" which would allow me to use a straight jacket on him, take him to court and demand that he speak and kiss my medkit, or to simply beat him in plumbing which he was lucky I didnt do at the shocked grille.

On the rules page, the first asscosiatable rule is :

1. Don't be a dick
We're all here to have a good time, supposedly.Going out of your way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification is against the rules, this also includes harassing a player OOC (Out of character). Legitimate conflicts where people get upset do happen however, as detailed in the escalation section of the rules.
- So personally, I do not understand what point that breaking a head of staff's office with a fireaxe, or looting medkit storage and taking the medkits, then going for my office, complaining that I am hoarding medical supplies which I never were, is not classified as a rule 1 violation. "Going out of your way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification is against the rules", there is absaloutely NO reason for him to break into my office while in the presence of me, breaking into anyones office, is an insult to them, especially after being confronted about it. There was no iC justification for a mime to rob a secpoint at roundstart, no ic justification for the mime to break into the brig with a fireaxe, absaloutely non. Yet this was ignored, in the admin messages, and instead I was acccused of killing him 8 times, hoarding medical supplies, torturing him, and defiblirating him with the means to torture him despite making it clear to him that we were literally getting the HOS to resolve the situation

"getting into scuffle with sec while trying to grief him and eventually breaking into HoS office for SOME reason" - He was brought into sec, to be jailed by said officers, traitor chemist, who I shall not name if he wishes to be anonymous has been talking to the secoffs, and I know sure as hell he didnt ask for him to be uncuffed. As soon as the mime got uncuffed, he tried to put a blindfold on me, before shoving me down and taking my crowbar. This constitutes, as instigation or invitiation to a fight, or harmful response. Seeing as though how he pried out like 15 floor tiles around me, it is pretty clear he was trying to murder me and missed a fuck ton.

"HoS office for SOME reason" - Throguhout the entire thing, I was trying to resolve this through IC solution, first brig, secondly courtroom, thirdly HOS office. These are all, legal places for security officers and the legal backbone of the station. All of which, is to mean IC solution, over the radio messages I ask HOS to come to his office, as we planned on seating the mime on the chair before discussing this with the HOS. However, I was then accused of "leaving him to rot" then "defibbing him to torture him" some shit like that, despite my clear intention to revive him.

"getting into scuffle with sec" - I dont recall any scuffle between sec other than a security officer pulling out a stunbaton me, but If I am wrong here, this was at like 1am so perhaps my memory couldnt hear out.

The mime, is clearly griefing, I have no idea how you havent bumped into the possibility yet

1. looted sec locker roundstart
2. Looted brig fireaxe roundstart
3. Break in of Head of Staff office in presence of the head of staff, clearly provoking a hostile response, in turn would be considered to be banbaiting, response baiting, or killbaiting
4. Crashed a said court hearing which would have ultimately ended the IC conflict
5. Made an attempt at murdering me in the brig as soon as being uncuffed/released by secoffs, secoffs didnt attempt to subdue him with stunbatons or disablers, so I was resorted to my means of the bat.
6. Additional logs show the mime's constnat behaviour of theft, greytiding, and disruption to the shift as is shown in the logs that show a minimum of 11 minutes worth of disruptive behaviour

02:41:46 ATTACK Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) threw and hit Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with EVA helmet (NEWHP: 100) (117, 115, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:41:49 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) shoved Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) (NEWHP: 100) (118, 115, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:41:56 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has thrown EVA helmet (118, 115, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:41:56 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) threw and hit Clonkerbonker/(John Terry) with EVA helmet (NEWHP: 100) (118, 115, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:42:07 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with mechanical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 88) (88, 115, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:44:50 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has thrown the beaker (71, 149, 2) Cargo Bay
02:44:54 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has thrown the beaker (74, 146, 2) Cargo Bay
02:45:10 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [window] with the mechanical toolbox (86, 147, 2) Storage Wing
02:45:11 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [window] with the mechanical toolbox (86, 147, 2) Storage Wing
02:45:12 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [window] with the mechanical toolbox (86, 147, 2) Storage Wing
02:45:13 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [window] with the mechanical toolbox (86, 147, 2) Storage Wing
02:45:14 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [window] with the mechanical toolbox (86, 147, 2) Storage Wing
02:45:15 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [window] with the mechanical toolbox (86, 147, 2) Storage Wing
02:45:16 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [window] with the mechanical toolbox (86, 147, 2) Storage Wing
02:45:37 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) temp shocked for 30 seconds [Security Post - Cargo] (75, 154, 2) Cargo Bay
02:45:37 ATTACK [Security Post - Cargo] electrocuted Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: 69.8) (75, 155, 2) Security Post - Cargo Bay
02:46:12 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) climbed onto [reinforced table] (74, 156, 2) Security Post - Cargo Bay
02:46:19 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has thrown the spear (75, 157, 2) Security Post - Cargo Bay
02:46:20 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has thrown the spear (75, 157, 2) Security Post - Cargo Bay
02:46:22 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has thrown the spear (75, 157, 2) Security Post - Cargo Bay
02:46:24 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has thrown the spear (75, 157, 2) Security Post - Cargo Bay
02:46:26 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has thrown the spear (75, 157, 2) Security Post - Cargo Bay
02:46:27 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has thrown the spear (75, 157, 2) Security Post - Cargo Bay
02:46:29 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has thrown the spear (75, 157, 2) Security Post - Cargo Bay
02:46:31 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has thrown the spear (75, 157, 2) Security Post - Cargo Bay
02:46:34 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has thrown the spear (75, 157, 2) Security Post - Cargo Bay
02:46:36 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has thrown the spear (75, 157, 2) Security Post - Cargo Bay
02:46:38 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has thrown the spear (75, 157, 2) Security Post - Cargo Bay
02:46:40 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has thrown the spear (75, 157, 2) Security Post - Cargo Bay
02:46:43 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has thrown the spear (75, 157, 2) Security Post - Cargo Bay
02:46:44 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has thrown the spear (75, 157, 2) Security Post - Cargo Bay
02:46:52 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has thrown the security bowman headset (74, 157, 2) Security Post - Cargo Bay
02:47:00 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has thrown the suspenders (74, 157, 2) Security Post - Cargo Bay
02:47:08 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) climbed onto [reinforced table] (74, 156, 2) Security Post - Cargo Bay
02:47:11 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [�Security Post - Cargo Bay omni air vent p9Zn9] with the spear (74, 156, 2) Security Post - Cargo Bay
02:47:37 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with medkit (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 69.8) (125, 114, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:47:46 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) healed Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with regenerative mesh (NEWHP: 73.4) (119, 114, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:48:10 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) healed Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with regenerative mesh (NEWHP: 76.2) (121, 143, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:48:13 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) healed Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with regenerative mesh (NEWHP: 78.9) (121, 143, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:48:16 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) healed Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with regenerative mesh (NEWHP: 81.6) (121, 143, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:48:19 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) healed Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with regenerative mesh (NEWHP: 84.3) (121, 143, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:48:22 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) healed Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with regenerative mesh (NEWHP: 88) (121, 143, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:50:06 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [blue air supply pipe] with the dark tile (113, 130, 2) Bridge
02:50:20 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [fire axe cabinet] with the spear (Wielded) (114, 134, 2) Bridge
02:50:23 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [fire axe cabinet] with the spear (Wielded) (114, 134, 2) Bridge
02:50:24 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [fire axe cabinet] with the spear (Wielded) (114, 134, 2) Bridge
02:50:25 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [fire axe cabinet] with the spear (Wielded) (114, 134, 2) Bridge
02:50:26 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [fire axe cabinet] with the spear (Wielded) (114, 134, 2) Bridge
02:50:27 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [fire axe cabinet] with the spear (Wielded) (114, 134, 2) Bridge
02:50:27 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [fire axe cabinet] with the spear (Wielded) (114, 134, 2) Bridge
02:50:28 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [fire axe cabinet] with the spear (Wielded) (114, 134, 2) Bridge
02:50:29 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [fire axe cabinet] with the spear (Wielded) (114, 134, 2) Bridge
02:50:32 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [fire axe cabinet] with the spear (Wielded) (114, 134, 2) Bridge
02:50:33 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [fire axe cabinet] with the spear (Wielded) (114, 134, 2) Bridge
02:50:34 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [fire axe cabinet] with the spear (Wielded) (114, 134, 2) Bridge
02:50:35 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [fire axe cabinet] with the spear (Wielded) (114, 134, 2) Bridge
02:50:36 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [fire axe cabinet] with the spear (Wielded) (114, 134, 2) Bridge
02:50:37 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [fire axe cabinet] with the spear (Wielded) (114, 134, 2) Bridge
02:50:38 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) has thrown the spear (114, 134, 2) Bridge
02:50:44 ATTACK Vicente S/(Ernesto Strange) threw and hit Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with the warning cone (NEWHP: 88) (113, 127, 2) Command Hallway
02:51:08 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with box of hugs (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 86.1) (89, 126, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:51:15 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with electrical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 74.1) (83, 126, 2) Library
02:51:21 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with electrical toolbox (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 62.1) (83, 126, 2) Library
02:52:09 ATTACK Saint1453/(Gor-Rok) grabbed Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) passive grab (NEWHP: 62.1) (122, 115, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:52:11 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [Gateway Access Shutter] with the fire axe (Wielded) (121, 116, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:52:14 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [Gateway Access Shutter] with the fire axe (Wielded) (119, 116, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:52:15 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [Gateway Access Shutter] with the fire axe (Wielded) (119, 116, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:52:15 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [Gateway Access Shutter] with the fire axe (Wielded) (119, 116, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:52:17 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [Gateway Access Shutter] with the fire axe (Wielded) (119, 116, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:52:17 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [Gateway Access Shutter] with the fire axe (Wielded) (119, 116, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:52:21 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [reinforced window] with the fire axe (Wielded) (119, 120, 2) Gateway
02:52:22 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [grille] with the fire axe (Wielded) (119, 120, 2) Gateway
02:52:59 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [reinforced window] with the fire axe (Wielded) (100, 114, 2) Central Primary Hallway
02:53:12 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [window] with the fire axe (Wielded) (82, 89, 2) Medbay Central
02:53:13 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [grille] with the fire axe (Wielded) (82, 89, 2) Medbay Central
02:53:21 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) punched Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: 61.1) (82, 90, 2) Medbay Storage
02:53:41 ATTACK Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) attacked [window] with the fire axe (Wielded) (90, 99, 2) Medbay Central
02:53:43 ATTACK [grille] electrocuted Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: 49.2) (91, 99, 2) Chief Medical Officer's Office
02:53:43 ATTACK Medeelel18/(Sergeyivich Morozov) attacked Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) with baseball bat (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 41.4) (89, 100, 2) Medbay Central
02:53:43 ATTACK [grille] electrocuted Sosmeme33214/(Partner In Mime) (NEWHP: 24.5) (91, 99, 2) Chief Medical Officer's Office

All of the mimes interactions, before this incident, clearly was griefing, looting a secpoint, then looting the bridge's fireaxe only to go to medical and attempt to loot the medkit storage and then the CMO's office under a false accusation of hoarding is an attempt made to gaslight admins and moderators meant to paint a picture as if the entire conflict was unprovoked and paint myself as a cynical person torturing, of which only two minutes in the combat logs show me to be actively in combat with him, with one incident in medical immediately after tiding my bay and attempting to break into my office, another one after he got uncuffed by a secoff instantly going for a crowbar attempting to blindfold me and trying to murder me with a crowbar. This is clearly poor handling of the situation on the mime's behalf. In accordance, I made an attempt at an IC solution instead hoping to get an end to the conflict, instead, the mime unbuckled himself twice from the chair in the courtroom and proceeded to crash the court hearing in which we subdued him and brought him to the HOS's office in hopes of resolving the issue with a higher authority.

And... In what world, would a tider "greytiding" medkit storage, then head of staffs office be expected to be responded with leniancy when with the head of staff at the recieving end of his shitty like treatment of nmy department? Then takign him to court, for a courtrial in where it would have all ended, he decided to fuck it all up and reverse it all around on me. Had he said like speaks silenty* or some whacky shit i'd have let him go but no, he crashed the whole thing, got taken to brig, tried to murder me, realising the secoffs did literally nothing I decide to take him to HOS office, where he succumbs and paints me as defib torturing him and "torturing him the whole shift".. I mean, can you not see, how this is, A: Textbook banbaiting. B: Solicitng a harmful response, when provoked with harmful means or when non-harmful means fail, and C: Clear victimization in order to demonize the other side of the party in the Ahelps leading to an unjust ban, yet alone a biased as hell "interview" with even accusations made by the admins? This is, unfair to say the least

"You were beating them for little to no reason during the trial, as the mime was trying to escape." - This could be argued, very widely. The mime crashed the court twice, and prior to that, had robbed my office, decapitated medical capability, ended the shift of many doctors as they were not in possesion of tools, and it is a court. It is expected, for the both parties in court hearings to be reasonable, what is not reasonable, is the mime unbuckling himself twice, and making it seem like the court hearing was a public torture session. I have demonstrated the willingness here to resolve the conflict IC, with the first attempt in security, in where he as released, but as soon as he was uncuffed made an attempt to injure, probably kill me. Disrupting a court hearing, meant to have IC value, for little to no reason, should be handled with and we did, before taking him to HOS office requesting the HOs's presence. The mime then succumbed, a total of four - 6 times and ended up having this number reveresed on me as 8 murders, despite the fact I was only relevant in beating him further than crit in plumbing, after the first incident which resulted in him violating two rule precendets of rule 12, and rule 1. It is reasonable on my side, to be fed up with the attitude of the mime and to escalate the situation further, given the fact the mime had demonstarated earlier that he had tried to murder me when being released from brig. (Whole situation would have ended there, had he not attempted to attack me, however, this was completely ignored)

Him avoiding IC solutions by

1. Attempting to murder me in the brig infront of secoffs after immedieatly being uncuffed
2. Proceeding to crash court hearing which was meant to resolve it
3. Succumbing in the HOS office after inviting the HOS multiple times over and over,

Him prolonging the conflict, further escalation, and disruption by:

1. Attempt to murder, or harm me as soon as released by security officers, (conflict would have ended then and there, had he not attempted to attack me)
2. Unwilligness to perform court duties (crashed court hearing, after the attempt to injure me or murder me was a made immedietaly upon being allowed to leave from brig)
3. Refusal, and adamant behaviour about looting, robbing, or tiding my office after first confrotned, when stungrilled. (Grabbed a glass shard in preparation to destroy the electrified grille in my office, rather than leaving, or pointing/asking for "desired healing chems" which is not a valid excuse for breaking in a head of staff's office in the presence of them at all)

You have stated multiple times, that the traitor chemist agressed on the mime, once in the holding cell, once in brig, and once in courtroom before I end up joining in on the second event while the mime is crashing the court hearing, this, and on top o
Is clearly poor management of the situation, being accused of torturing him because of the fights and disruptions he had instigated, in all scenarios, is unfar to my side. On top of that, breaking into a head of staffs office after practically decaptiating their department is in no way, reasonable, in no way, prompting no harmful response, in no way, should anyone in the mime's situation have been expected to not be straight up murdered here. Using my histroy, as a getoutof jail free card for the mime is proving extremely unjust here, given that the mime had actually instigated on me twice before we had said court hearing, with what would have been him being released upon uncuffing in brig had he not tried to murder me with a crowbar. The ignorance of the mime's obviousy banbaiting and killbaiting over repeated assaults and robberies is clearly ignored here and should be looked at

Dragging out a series of events while provoking the party harmfully, then getting a harmful response is in no way, any synonym, or shared word as to be used with : "torture", to be accused of killing someone 8 times, while you actively heal them despite them screwing your shift over, after they attempt to rob your office in plain sight of you, and refuse to stop when confronted, is absaloutely asking for a harmful or provoking response. Using a fireaxe, to tide medical to get "healing supplies" in the presence of many doctors and a chemist and the CMO is in no way proactive thinking, and is in no way, focuses on the end goal of getting "healing supplies". Provoking a department, and resulting in it getting fully ransacked, tided, and being surprised when the CMO stops you at his office, is in no way a violation of the escalation policy nor is it torture. Being accused of an admin to have been hoarding supplies or to have been killing the mime 8 times shows a lack of evidence as the admin could have simply looked over at my office and seen no hoarding, this was done very poorly and as a result I got banned for it. It is in no way acceptable to rob a department, then attempt to rob a head of staff's office in presence of them then complain of a harmful response. It is not right and just, to be released from cuffs by a secoff in the brig but then instantly attack the CMO who is holding a bat, to then have this reversed on me as "torture". What you see here, is the mime's unwilligness to use his head and to see that he could have left then and there, instead of holding a grudge against myself and attacking me. This is blatantly silly.

If now, all the facts can be overlooked and to be judged guilty untill innocent as a result of a poor note history on this server, as a result of a griefier entering medical with a fireaxe to tide my office, in front of me, to allowing medical to be ransacked and pillaged, to attacking me in brig as soon as he is uncuffed, and to be accused of killing him 8 times, then I am going to be left speechless

Post by **LiarGG** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:01 pm #659393

Rule 1:
We're all here to have a good time, supposedly. Going out of your way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification is against the rules, this also includes harassing a player OOC (Out of character). Legitimate conflicts where people get upset do happen however, as detailed in the escalation section of the rules.
Precedent 6:
You may defend your workplace from trespassers who damage or steal property within that space with significantly greater force than elsewhere. If someone is severely disruptive and returns after ejected, this opens them up to "fun" of the creative workplace death variety.
Escalation policy:

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My argument is not that the mime has done nothing wrong, obviously. My argument is that your handling of them was way disproportionate.
If you feel like the mime is powergaming, you should ahelp them.
Now again, I don’t have an issue with you defending your workplace. But from an escalation standpoint, the defense of your workplace has ended with them being incapacitated and eventually dead. If you would’ve revived them, confiscated the contraband and thrown them out, I wouldn’t have said a word. Instead, you went right for the “fun” part without even attempting to throw them out, which is a part of the precedent you conveniently omitted from your recap. From this point on, you were the one in control of the situation as the original escalation has ended.

You have then dragged them around the station with your friend beating them with a baseball bat on multiple occasions. Setting up a “meme trial”, which I would argue was not even a trial as you begun the whole thing by reading their sentence, in this sense being the judge, jury and executioner with no space for any defense and letting your partner beat them up with a bat and throwing punpun at them during the process. The mime trying to remove themselves from this situation by unbuckling and running around is then not as much of a “crashing the whole thing”, but trying to escape an unjust capture. Security in this case even sided with the mime by trying to separate you two.

I really truly do no see a way you can justify your behaviour towards them as an appropriate response. You being their handler, keeping them in cuffs and dragging them around, is what makes you responsible for their continuous beatings as you are the initiator of this interaction where they have almost no autonomy to act.

Also to reiterate, the mime did not ahelp me, I ahelped them. I originally missed the cause of your conflict so I was hesitant to step in as it could’ve been justified by their actions. After what happened in courtroom I decided to ahelp the mime and check if he’s okay with this interaction and learning more, confirming their story with logs, then messaging you.
My opinion is that this ban is justified on the grounds of you going out of your way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone (mime) with insufficient justification by stretching a crime they have committed to over 20 minutes, leaving them only when the shuttle was about to depart.

Mimes actions were poor, but I don’t think trespass and theft opens you to this kind of response, especially since you have given them no chance to correct their behavior after originally killing them.

medeelel18 · Post by **medeelel18** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:45 pm #659400

Seeing as now I have read this statement of yours I can agree on many aspects and points here:

-Mimes actions were poor, but I don’t think trespass and theft opens you to this kind of response, especially since you have given them no chance to correct their behavior after originally killing them. - I can agree on this as seeing now, I do not believe it was nescescary to keep him under restraints or under the control of myself after being beaten as that was the end of the conflict and should have. I now see that taking him to brig was unnescescary, and that probably being as defensive as I was during the brig was partially unnescescary

- "Now again, I don’t have an issue with you defending your workplace. But from an escalation standpoint, the defense of your workplace has ended with them being incapacitated and eventually dead. If you would’ve revived them, confiscated the contraband and thrown them out, I wouldn’t have said a word. Instead, you went right for the “fun” part without even attempting to throw them out, which is a part of the precedent you conveniently omitted from your recap. From this point on, you were the one in control of the situation as the original escalation has ended." - I can see why you mention this, again it was unnescescary to keep him under restraints after the first interaction at my office, seeing as though I had killed him and any further action legally at brig would have been going further than it needed to go.

I still disagree with many statements you have made:

- "You have then dragged them around the station with your friend beating them with a baseball bat on multiple occasions. Setting up a “meme trial”, which I would argue was not even a trial as you begun the whole thing by reading their sentence, in this sense being the judge, jury and executioner with no space for any defense and letting your partner beat them up with a bat and throwing punpun at them during the process. The mime trying to remove themselves from this situation by unbuckling and running around is then not as much of a “crashing the whole thing”, but trying to escape an unjust capture. Security in this case even sided with the mime by trying to separate you two." - I do not recall dragging the mime and allowing him to be beaten by the chemist, as the chemist was the one dragging him for the vast majority of the time, I do not recall dragging the mime while the chemist beat him with a bat, that is actually impossible to do given the knockback effect provided by the baseball bat, I disagree on this here.

- "My opinion is that this ban is justified on the grounds of you going out of your way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone (mime) with insufficient justification by stretching a crime they have committed to over 20 minutes, leaving them only when the shuttle was about to depart." - I cannot agree with most of this ban reasoning, especially the part where it states myself going out of my way to seriously impact the round of another player. There is no incentive to do so, and I believe instead that this was a escalation policy violation as you had mentioned prior.

With all that being said: I think you have made the meaning and reason of the ban clear enough, while I still do not agree on many of the things and statements you have made, I can see that such behaviour such as proceeding to carry on the conflict after the mime's initial death was not warranted and as such, is not unreasonable to be dealt administratvely. If I can get a re-appeal date for when I can next appeal, I will look to that day and hopefully appeal here in the forums.

Post by **LiarGG** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:08 pm #659986

Hello and sorry for the hold up. I am glad we managed to reach a mutual understanding here.

As per usual your two options for reappeal are either:
1. Reappealing in a year after the original ban date, in this case 14.12.2023
2. Reappealing in half a year provided you have a vouch from another trusted server.

Provided either of these conditions are met I will unban you and put a 2 month probationary warning on your account, during which rule-breaking will be met with a significant admin response.

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