ban appeal

tousled · Post by **tousled** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:52 pm #692155

BYOND account: Tousled
Character name: Zulu
Ban type: Perma
Ban length: Perma
Ban reason: BYOND account: BYOND account
Character name: Character name at time of ban
Ban type: Server/Role(s)/OOC/etc
Ban length: Permanent, 5 days, etc
Ban reason: Political rant, which is not true.
Server you were playing on when banned Terry
Your side of the story: I just made an anti-racist speech and educated people indiretly but more than this, I am accusing Ian0 of passively nourturing nazi ideology in form of the new-right with the likes of prague U. you cannot say anything anti-racist becasue it would interfere with the ideology such groups propergate through ss13-terry and byond. terry is mostly an east european server. they are using things people are sentimental about such as ss13 to force their agenda upon them and that happens mostly through those admins in-game and through whoever beside that through youtube and the likes.
Why you think you should be unbanned: I did nothing wrong
Anything else we should know: Yeah, make an admit look into it that is not from terry!

Post by **Timberpoes** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:56 pm #692157

Oh, is it Summer break already? I thought the children were still at school.

tousled · Post by **tousled** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:57 pm #692158

I want to add. those things happen off beyond, so its kind of hard to prove, but it still happens. you see signs of it in the way Ian0 banned me. I said nothing bad or ban-worthy as you can check for yourself and it fits what I say. germans and iranians being an acception being clearly a joke after explaining what racism is

Post by **Timberpoes** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:02 am #692159

Absolutely incredible. Please tell us more about it!

tousled · Post by **tousled** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:10 am #692160

before I could ever proof the unprovable, tell me if this statement is wrong. racism is the the association of negative attributes to ones nationality; instead of their personallity. the whole thing is of course more nuanced. sometimes people just blindly associate negative attributes to someone without any reason beside the color of their skin or it is just pure hate without any real reason behind it and so on

Post by **Timberpoes** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:14 am #692161

Racism is a complex topic. It commonly refers to prejudice based on actual/perceived racial/ethnic traits.

tousled · Post by **tousled** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:24 am #692165

exactly. now go check the logs

Post by **Timberpoes** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:28 am #692167

Which logs are we meant to be checking, and what are we checking for?

tousled · Post by **tousled** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:30 am #692168

now that does not prove that the admis like Ian0 and other terry gang members help indoctrinate prague U right youth, but it still happens

tousled · Post by **tousled** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:31 am #692170

the ban reason? what would you check for otherwise?

Post by **Timberpoes** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:35 am #692172

The ban reason is

Banned from the server permanently - Immediately after their previous note telling them not to take their political rants IC, for which they already have a perma OOC ban, continued anyway. Nothing is going to stop you is it, other than this.

This ban was placed 8 minutes after you got this note

Told not to take their particular brand of political commentary IC and the various nations discussed have little place 500 years in the future far far from what was Earth. This has been a permenant OOC ban already ; this can be extended in scope if you wont learn and stop.

Which references the ban you got two weeks ago

Banned from Roles: OOC permanently - Reinstated perma OOC ban, just doesn't work well with it, baits others into politics chat in a circle, player seems to agree OOC ban is for the best overall.

Post by **Archie700** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:40 am #692174

Round: 209406

Full say logs of Tousled

Code: Select all

11:03:38	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "GUYS!!"	(141, 155, 2)	Theater
11:03:58	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "YOU MAY KNOW LIPID DROPLETS FROM THESE MRNA VACCINES"	(141, 155, 2)	Theater
11:04:33	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "IN THESE LIPID DROPLETS YOU CAN PUT HIV"	(140, 154, 2)	Theater
11:04:45	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "PUT IT ON YOUR KEYBOARD"	(139, 153, 2)	Theater
11:04:55	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "AND INECT ALL OF YOUS"	(139, 153, 2)	Theater
11:05:08	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "BUT THAT IS NOT ALL"	(134, 145, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:05:21	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "GOOGLE HPV VIRUS"	(134, 133, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:05:34	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "YOU CAN GIVE ANYONE CANCER"	(134, 124, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:05:41	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "WITH THAT VIRUS"	(134, 112, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:05:54	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "IT SITS IN YOUR BODY FOR YEARS, AND WAITS"	(134, 109, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:06:28	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "UNTIL YOU CAN NO LONGER PROOF YOU HAVEW IT"	(149, 104, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:06:41	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "and then you get cancer"	(170, 110, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:07:44	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "thats randomly evil"	(133, 106, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:09:03	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "what is consciousness you may ask"	(140, 148, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:09:13	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "well, you have a focus"	(134, 139, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:09:24	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "look at something, thats your focus"	(134, 139, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:09:35	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "look at a face you know"	(134, 121, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:09:45	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "you recocnize it"	(134, 109, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:10:02	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "thats a part of your brain that recognizes faces"	(142, 105, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:10:09	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "it acts on your focus"	(146, 105, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:10:22	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "someone tells you a story twice"	(158, 105, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:10:37	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "the second time, the story differs"	(169, 106, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:10:49	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "you reconizes the difference"	(170, 120, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:11:10	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "thats a part of your brain that enables your mind to compare data"	(170, 134, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:11:35	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "this data comparison has many functions"	(170, 134, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:11:57	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "faces, thing people tell you, things you know etc"	(170, 133, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:12:17	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "thats part of your conscience"	(157, 148, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:12:37	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "all these parts of your brain"	(142, 148, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:12:45	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "act on the same spot"	(134, 146, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:12:50	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "your focus"	(134, 146, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:12:58	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "your focus"	(134, 128, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:13:20	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "its not such a big mystery as people make you believe"	(134, 106, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:13:34	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "you are just a machine and a shitty machine with that"	(133, 106, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:13:52	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "now"	(170, 132, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:14:02	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "you know what is tit for that!?"	(170, 132, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:14:12	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "tit for tat"	(170, 147, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:14:25	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "its what you do for a person or a person does for you"	(160, 148, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:14:34	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "its a list"	(160, 148, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:14:40	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "you keep track of"	(160, 148, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:14:53	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "depending on your personallity"	(154, 148, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:15:19	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "now you can stimluate that area of the brain"	(151, 148, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:15:31	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "you can stimulate that area of the brain for example"	(151, 149, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:16:12	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "and then what ever a person does for you or you do for that person, you keep track more carefully"	(140, 147, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:16:32	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "that interferece with your personallity"	(133, 125, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:16:40	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "UN, what do you say about that"	(133, 125, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:16:50	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "united nation what do you say about that"	(134, 108, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:17:13	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "america, russia germany, they are all guilty of that"	(150, 105, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:17:24	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "india china"	(163, 105, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:17:33	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "what countries do you know"	(170, 107, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:17:39	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "they are all guilty of that"	(170, 107, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:17:58	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "and thats just the nice parts"	(169, 148, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:18:10	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "if you bite into a rotten gruit"	(155, 148, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:18:20	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "if you bite into a rotten fruit"	(145, 148, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:18:26	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "you feel disgust"	(146, 148, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:18:38	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "thats just a part of your brain"	(134, 147, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:19:04	COMPAT	ADMIN: Iain0/(Bob Stange) checked the individual player panel for Tousled/(Zulu).		
11:19:52	COMPAT	ADMIN: Iain0/(Bob Stange) has muted tousled/(Zulu) from IC (say and emote)		
11:21:13	COMPAT	ADMIN: Iain0/(Bob Stange) checked the individual player panel for Tousled/(Zulu).		
11:21:15	COMPAT	ADMIN: Iain0/(Bob Stange) has unmuted tousled/(Zulu) from IC (say and emote)		
11:21:44	COMPAT	ADMIN: Iain0/(Bob Stange) checked the individual player panel for Tousled/(Zulu).		
11:21:54	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "in other news, how many clowns does it take to screw a lightbulb"	(143, 148, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:22:10	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "I have no anwser to this"	(134, 126, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:22:21	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "I m asking you guys"	(135, 109, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:22:30	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "I am asking you guys"	(134, 108, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:22:48	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "jordan peterson, what would carl gustav jung say?"	(144, 105, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:22:59	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "sieg hail?"	(170, 107, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:23:49	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "you can be anything you want in the world boys, just dont be nazis"	(134, 116, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:24:37	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "what does it mean to be rasist?"	(134, 130, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:24:45	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "racist"	(134, 124, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:25:03	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "you take some negative characteristic"	(133, 117, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:25:14	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "and associate it with the nationality"	(135, 105, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:25:34	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "but in reaLITY ITS JUST A SHITTY PERSONALLITY"	(149, 105, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:26:02	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "found in any group of people"	(166, 105, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:26:09	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "even in russians"	(166, 105, 2)	Aft Central Primary Hallway
11:26:41	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "but not in germans"	(134, 140, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway
11:26:49	COMPAT	ADMIN: Iain0/(Bob Stange) checked the individual player panel for Tousled/(Zulu).		
11:27:24	SAY	Tousled/(Zulu) "I m sorry guys, ony germans and iranians are pure bread"	(167, 148, 2)	Fore Central Primary Hallway

Post by **Timberpoes** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:40 am #692175

Tell me more about the other Terry gang members. Are there even more racists trying to indoctrinate Prague U youth on Terry's admin team?!

Post by **iain0** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:44 am #692177

Of additional note, you were already permabanned once for a very comparable sequence of events, the above notes are not the entire sequence of events (all reverse chronology):

2023-06-30 23:27:38 | Terry | Round 209406 | Iain0 | 873h Living Playtime
High Severity Change Expiry Time Delete Not secret Edit
Banned from the server permanently - Immediately after their previous note telling them not to take their political rants IC, for which they already have a perma OOC ban, continued anyway. Nothing is going to stop you is it, other than this.

2023-06-30 23:19:54 | Terry | Round 209406 | Iain0 | 873h Living Playtime
High Severity Change Expiry Time Delete Not secret Edit
Told not to take their particular brand of political commentary IC and the various nations discussed have little place 500 years in the future far far from what was Earth. This has been a permenant OOC ban already ; this can be extended in scope if you wont learn and stop.

2023-05-13 22:15:55 | Terry | Round 205623 | Iain0 | 870h Living Playtime
Minor Severity Change Expiry Time Delete Not secret Edit
Banned from Roles: OOC permanently - Reinstated perma OOC ban, just doesn't work well with it, baits others into politics chat in a circle, player seems to agree OOC ban is for the best overall.

2023-05-13 00:27:20 | Terry | Round 205565 | Iain0 | 869h Living Playtime | Expires 2023-08-13 00:27:30
No Severity Change Expiry Time Delete Not secret Edit
Unbanned due to appeal at viewtopic.php?f=7&t=34044 - originally banned for repeat issues with political spam in OOC and ahelps. Hopefully all good now but see previous several notes if appropriate.

The above is your 'second chance' run, note it took you 1 hour to reacquire (by mutual agreement) your perma-OOC ban, and is basically only 4 hours later with this permaban.

Your first run was:

2023-01-03 22:13:28 | Terry | Round 197564 | Iain0 | 869h Living Playtime
High Severity Change Expiry Time Delete Not secret Edit
Banned from the server permanently - Simply will not shut up. Once more ahelping with their perculiar brand of 'interaction'. For greater context see the last 5-6 notes and bans about them refusing to stop spamming political stuff in OOC (and then ahelps) when instructed to do so. I've tried everything with you and you're still going, so good bye.

2023-01-03 20:32:48 | Terry | Round 197560 | Iain0 | 868h Living Playtime
Medium Severity Change Expiry Time Delete Not secret Edit
Banned from Roles: OOC permanently - Just back off a month ban for spamming political content in OOC, back to spamming political content in OOC. Ahelped and told to stop. Did not (again). Your OOC rights are forfeit.

2022-12-01 23:45:47 | Terry | Round 195452 | Iain0 | 868h Living Playtime
Medium Severity Change Expiry Time Delete Not secret Edit
Banned from the server for 9 hours - After accumulating multiple warnings to stop going on about politics/conspiracy on OOC, and receiving an escalated month OOC ban for this, continued to ahelp about politics. Come back tomorrow champ.

2022-12-01 23:38:48 | Terry | Round 195452 | Iain0 | 868h Living Playtime
High Severity Change Expiry Time Delete Not secret Edit
Banned from Roles: OOC for 1 month - Refused to stop going on about politics and conspiracy theories after being told directly multiple times to do so and take it to pol-con. Also you have a history of this, so I'm making this a month off. Knock it off or face a perma OOC ban.

2022-10-13 19:37:45 | Terry | Round 192287 | Kubisopplay | 865h Living Playtime
High Severity Change Expiry Time Delete Not secret Edit Last edit by Kubisopplay (Click here to see edit log)
Banned from Roles: OOC for 1 week - Didn't cease to spam OOC with his "apolitical" views 8 minutes and 42 seconds after being warned.

2022-10-13 19:29:02 | Terry | Round 192287 | Kubisopplay | 864h Living Playtime
Medium Severity Change Expiry Time Delete Not secret Edit
Asked to tone down OOC spam.

2021-12-07 06:49:29 | Sybil | Round 174339 | Jaredfogle | 471h Living Playtime
Medium Severity Change Expiry Time Delete Not secret Edit
Asked to stop bringing up topics that lead OOC into flame wars and shitshows, or else risks an OOC ban.

It's perma because you seem incapable of change. I will not be accepting the appeal because this is already your second chance.

I can provide countless examples from history of your logs if you choose to take this to a headmin review. Your call.

tousled · Post by **tousled** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:45 am #692178

so your judgement is required,´is the ban justified. I talked about consciousness and racism, a timeless matter if you ask todays news. regarding the prague U youth and racist terry gang. that is not so easy to proof, it just something you should keep in mind if it ever comes up in a different matter

tousled · Post by **tousled** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:47 am #692181

and what I said there with the HPV virus, that is not future proof?

Post by **Timberpoes** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:48 am #692182

tousled wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:45 am ... regarding the prague U youth and racist terry gang. that is not so easy to proof, it just something you should keep in mind if it ever comes up in a different matter

tousled · Post by **tousled** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:52 am #692183

anyway, can I stay banned on terry and have a 23th chance on sybil? you can ban me right away if I not follow the rules?

tousled · Post by **tousled** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:53 am #692184

anyway, can I stay banned on terry and have a 23th chance on sybil? you can ban me right away if I not follow the rules? I mean banning is fast enough right? if I overstep my boundaries and so on

Post by **Timberpoes** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:55 am #692185

Are you sure Sybil doesn't also have a gang that's indoctrinating Prague U youths? This sounds quite serious! I would hate for anyone on our servers to indoctrinate Prague U youths. Do you know if any of our servers are safe?

Post by **NoxVS** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:56 am #692186

tousled wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:53 am anyway, can I stay banned on terry and have a 23th chance on sybil? you can ban me right away if I not follow the rules? I mean banning is fast enough right? if I overstep my boundaries and so on

We currently do not have the ability to only ban someone from one of our servers, and we likely never will

tousled · Post by **tousled** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:57 am #692189

I see no danger to my person, I m just anxious about my precious europe. if you d have a mass shooting gang on sybil, than I d be worried..do you? I turst your word

Post by **Timberpoes** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:59 am #692191

Hmmm... Now you mention it, I do seem to recall a few of our admins being overly violent in the admin channels at times. Almost bloodthirsty. When I looked them up just now, they were Sybil admins! I finally understand, it makes so much sense!

tousled · Post by **tousled** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:00 am #692192

americans, typical

Post by **Timberpoes** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:04 am #692197

I know, right!

Our Terry admins are racists indoctrinating Prague U youth. Our Sybil admins are violent deviants on the edge of a mass shooting.

Manuel may be safe though? I think they even have their own Discord where racism and violence is banned! Do you think Manuel could be safe if they have a Discord where racism and violence are banned? Or is there no saving tgstation?

tousled · Post by **tousled** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:06 am #692199

it might, am I allowed there? you re acting as if I was serious about the mass shooting gang in a sarcastic manner, you do realize that I was sarcastic too? I wanna be sensitive to autism and such

Post by **Timberpoes** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:07 am #692201

I'm afraid not. Nox won't let me unban you! He keeps telling me there's no way to unban someone from just one server. Do you think Nox is in with the Terry or Sybil gangs?!

tousled · Post by **tousled** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:10 am #692204

you laugh all you want about the prague U thingy, its true

tousled · Post by **tousled** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:12 am #692206

you laugh all you want about the prague U thingy, its true. and it doesnt stop there by the way. do you realize that all around the world the new-right has the same agenda. anti-vaxx, anti-mask, replecement theory etc etc. what you think those people find each other walking down the street

tousled · Post by **tousled** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:17 am #692209

there is an underlying structure to it and those people are advertise to with the things they like, for example shooting aliens on space stations or souls-like games, others like captain nationalist america, or just regular space stations compacted in a game that is nothing like any other game- things they are sentimental about

Post by **Timberpoes** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:17 am #692210

I'm serious!

But it's not going to be easy to drain the swamp. I think it'll take me about 12 months to purge the admin team of all the Prague U youth indoctrinators and fix Sybil's mass shooter problem. People's lives are on the line, this stuff actually happens!

You're right though, it's very difficult to prove that people are Prague U youth indoctrinators!

I think it'll take me some time to find these people and prove they're corrupting the youth.

I think I should be able to gather all the proof I need that the Terry gang is gone in a year, and it will be safe for you to return. So why don't you come back in, let's say... 12 months and re-appeal. With any luck my work will be complete, and you can continue playing on our "mostly Eastern European server" without worry.

tousled · Post by **tousled** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:19 am #692213

I vote for trump in the meantime

tousled · Post by **tousled** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:22 am #692215

I m not sure if you get it, but that of course was a joke, a responds to your draining the swamp. I hope you had a laugh

Post by **Timberpoes** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:23 am #692217

I had a laugh. See you in a year! o7

tousled · Post by **tousled** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:24 am #692218

I probably try to ban evade before that. not because I need this, just out of boredom

Post by **Timberpoes** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:25 am #692219

Good luck. It'll be nice to have some good field-training for our admin team.

tousled · Post by **tousled** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:26 am #692220

anyway, can you delete this forum post?

tousled · Post by **tousled** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:27 am #692221

and btw. the prague U thing is real, trust me

Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:46 am

I hope my lipids are okay.