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ekaterina

I read and reviewed all the headmin rulings when I went over the rules early on I did too, but do you think the average LRP spessman has? as far as awkward compromises go, this one is pretty good, don't you think? I don't. It's blatantly one-sided, biased, and it's intended to trick people who say ...

ekaterina

Ignorance of the rules has never been an excuse for behavior. That is only true when the rules are "common sense", not when they're the most random and idiotic bullshit like this one. On top of that, this isn't even a rule, it's a headmin ruling, which means only people who specifically g...

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kinnebian wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:37 am why would new players say ligger

Because they saw it on YouTube, just like nearly everything else a new player comes in already knowing.

kinnebian wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:37 am its a frowned upon niche insult in a very niche game specific to this specific server

How would they know it became frowned upon 2 weeks ago?

ekaterina

Joking about ruining the entire server for everyone just to spite me is so immature.
Did Timberpoes find the fountain of youth, only to overindulge and regress too far?

ekaterina

Itseasytosee2me wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:10 pm
Capsandi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 3:58 pm what was the problem with goof's commissioned hair sprites i remember those being really good
i think people were mad because they were all really feminine.

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:13 pm whats feminine about hair

What's wrong with being feminine?

ekaterina

Timberpoes' standing might be restored in my eyes if he actually delivers on this term's decision to end greenshit rounds on LRP (https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=684282). Banning the word "ligger" but ending greenshift is a trade I'd take any day. Make me feel good about my v...

ekaterina

This is the worst ban since Crag's entrapment. Admin complaint material right here.

ekaterina

How is it immersion breaking for someone who is of low income to want to off you over calling them a slur. It isn't, it's along the line of similar things that happen in SS13 but not in real life. What IS immersion breaking is for you to not be able to fight back. I dunno man if you dropped a hard ...

ekaterina

How is it immersion breaking for someone who is of low income to want to off you over calling them a slur. It isn't, it's along the line of similar things that happen in SS13 but not in real life. What IS immersion breaking is for you to not be able to fight back. (...) have MY immersion broken by ...

ekaterina

actually it's pretty well documented if you say the n word in real life there's a statistical chance you're about to get the teeth removed from your face. Only if you experience a skill issue and can't win the ensuing fight (a fight which doesn't even always happen), which is the entire point. how ...

ekaterina

Talk shit get hit, simple as. You don't get to defend yourself over saying a low effort slur, maybe don't be racist? What do you think will happen if you start acting like a gorilla with rabies over someone calling you a slur in real life? Do you think that person will just stop defending herself b...

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Longestarmlonglaw wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:18 pm Remove the rule where you're not allowed to fight back.
You hunt valids at your own risk, simple as, you dont get to cry if you are unrobust, maybe dont engage in fights?

This.

conrad wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:30 pm This man is fighting for his right to say ligger.

As he damn well should.

ekaterina

Voice chat would undermine disguises, since you can't easily disguise your real voice, much less imitate someone else's.

ekaterina

please go make your own slurver Making a server that is a clone copy of tg but with rules that allow slurs is only going to attract people who want to say slurs and can't do it on tg - everyone else will still take tg, since it has a higher pop, more servers, et cetera - and that's not a good basis...

ekaterina

[an actual ban] goes on your record using this single point to reach the assertion that one is in fact the other is reductive you can take a ghost role or play on another server I acknowledge the relevant distinctions you two pointed out. It doesn't make it any less retarded to turn saying a harmle...

ekaterina

I'd take the average Chinese mayor over the average American mayor tbh The only reason someone would say this is not knowing how bad it is in China. They are plagued by corruption and misuse of public funds, among other issues. Somewhere around 80% of Chinese people are dissatisfied with their loca...

ekaterina

There's been a lot of impressive Timberposts but also some piss-poor rulings, among them "quality control bans" and the ligger ruling. It's a mixed bag.

ekaterina

You can't fault people by going "that's not how it works in my country". I can when the object of discussion is what surprises me or doesn't surprise me. That being said, if where you live people don't perceive you and form opinions based on your demeanour You're the one bringing that unr...

ekaterina

Any time we have had a thing turn you valid, we have banned people who use that to start fights and win them, or people who use that to start fights than admin help losing. Reading WGW and getting lynched was allowed, but people who won the fights they started frequently got bans for kill baiting. ...

ekaterina

Discrimination on the basis of political opinion is illegal in my jurisdiction, why would you expect that I'd think it normal or be used to it (including its spessman equivalent)? Because employment law doesn't extend to being an unpaid jannie in a community. No, but the question was whether I was ...

ekaterina

Out of the candidates that ran in the last election or out of every tgstation player? For the latter, I want toemas as headmin.

ekaterina

1. Words like ligger are banned. I think this is the worst option, because its a part of server culture now, the only issue is when its used as a medium for actual racism. 3. Make players valid for using ingame no-no words but not general rp racism. This seems to be timbers approach, that determini...

ekaterina

No; this is funnier. How is baiting people who don't know about a dumb ruling like this into making themselves valid "funnier"? no new player is going to independently decide to say that unless they see someone else do it You mean like in the thousand SS13 videos that people can watch on ...

ekaterina

Timber isn't trying to discourage ingame racism, they are trying to discourage people's actual RL racism leaking into the game. It's good to see a reasonable argument presented at last. There's nothing wrong with this goal, but there is something very wrong with the way he's going about it. While w...

ekaterina

Calling a lizard a "ligger" is no different to me to calling a plasmaman a "plasmeme" or calling borgs "silly cones". It's a funny alternative name. Most people may think you a pretending to be dumb as rocks, but you should know i don’t discount the possibility that yo...

ekaterina

Racism skill issue. if you gotta lean on ligger you gotta up your lizard hating game. The thing is I don't hate liggers, the same way I don't hate plasmemes or sillycones. Calling a lizard a "ligger" is no different to me to calling a plasmaman a "plasmeme" or calling borgs &quo...

ekaterina

Again, trolling - you're doing this for attention, nothing else. Don't presume to know my motives. How arrogant. You've been told multiple times that the issue with ligger is that it's literally just an IRL slur with a single letter changed. What I haven't been told is why that matters at all. If i...

ekaterina

I can't wait for Timberpoes to ban the terms "plasmeme" and "sillycone" next. Why not make the default lawset "crewsimov" while we're at it? And we can change the server's name to "fulp 2: non-human boogaloo"!

ekaterina

Btw that round fucking sucked because you wouldnt keep the station consistently powered and the only reason i had thermal vision mutation was because of the rad station trait and you failing to keep that anti rad machine powered. I latejoined... don't blame me... You should have been lynched for mo...

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MooCow12 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:09 pm they didnt kidnap you

What do you call cuffing and grabbing someone? I call it kidnapping.
The bozo eventually ran away when the AI bolted everything and he got outnumbered, which doesn't change what he did before that.

ekaterina

also i literally just had a round on terry 30 minutes ago where the CE kept calling lizards "liggers" on radio and then [she] ahelped when a sec lizard (hates-the-stuns) [ WENT ROGUE AND KIDNAPPED ] [her] and [ STOLE ] [her] telescopic baton Yeah, that's me, how do you think I learned abo...

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kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:42 pm The ruling is if you say ligger you are free to be killed. The reason why you cannot lethally fight back is because it would be used to escalation bait.

Has there actually ever been an instance of someone calling a ligger a ligger to "escalation bait"?

ekaterina

Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:39 pm No; this is funnier.

How is baiting people who don't know about a dumb ruling like this into making themselves valid "funnier"?

ekaterina

Am I overreacting, recovering from the shock of learning about this, or does Timberpoes actually just suck? I'm hoping to get some clarity on whether Timberpoes really did make such a mind-numbingly stupid ruling (original post's paragraph 2) or instead I misinterpreted his poor phrasing (original p...

ekaterina

I'm hoping to get some clarity on whether Timberpoes really did make such a mind-numbingly stupid ruling (original post's paragraph 2) or instead I misinterpreted his poor phrasing (original post's paragraph 3). I don't know if the latter is bad enough to make me regret voting for Timberpoes like I ...

ekaterina

Posting selfies, Vekter? Trying to derail the thread already?

ekaterina

I just read one of the dumbest rulings ever made on tgstation. https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=695750#p695750. What the fuck does "can't use it to fight back" even mean? Expecting a player to just sit there and let himself be beaten is absolutely immersion-breaking. It's beyo...

ekaterina

Courteous and professional in ahelps, asks relevant questions, can point to applicable policy. A shining example from what I've seen.

ekaterina

For the record, I wouldn't balk at letting someone back who'd threatened to doxx if it was like... a year ago and they acknowledged/apologized for it, but this was in April and he didn't even mention it. I doubt he expected you to care about a totally unrelated server. I can't tell if this is a dig...

ekaterina

Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 9:01 pmFor the record, I wouldn't balk at letting someone back who'd threatened to doxx if it was like... a year ago and they acknowledged/apologized for it, but this was in April and he didn't even mention it.

I doubt he expected you to care about a totally unrelated server.

ekaterina

It's a chemist job ban, not a chemistry mechanic ban. joins as an assistant, gets a chemist I.D from the HoP proceed to dress as a chemist, with chemist access and starts doing chemistry Cool strawman. Because going into chemistry to get thermite to bust into the malf AI's sat, for example, is tota...

ekaterina

Vekter wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 6:19 pm I don't include "being called a literal Nazi" is stupid.

Nobody was called a nazi. A hypothetical admin was subject to an analogy where his corresponding part was that of a nazi. These are not the same thing.

ekaterina

"wtf guys why i get banned i only had job ban from chemistery man but i wasn't chemtree man I just got chembistry access from the HOOP???????? ADRMIN ABUUUSEEE!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?" - Equivalent example You think you'd give whatever job you were banned from a wide berth considering that the a...

ekaterina

The appropriate reaction to offending someone isn't to go WELL I WAS JUST JOKING and doubling down, it's to apologize and not do it again. I'm offended by your latest post. I'll be waiting for your apology and for you to not do it again. Bending over backwards just because someone is offended, rega...

ekaterina

I have no idea where this perception comes from where CEs only play CE for the tools. I also have no idea why this is attempting to be solved codewise instead of administratively. Just ban them. Simple as. Ah, yes, ban people over how they're perceived even if they do nothing wrong. lol. What could...

ekaterina

Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 3:18 pm This thread sucks.

Don't they all?

ekaterina

If you are sec trying to solely secure captain gear and not take acting then take the gear and put it in the HoS office I once met a HoS who got his panties in a bunch over a sec officer taking the soulless warden's gear. I thought him to be one of the dumbest uptight pieces of shit HoS I'd ever me...

ekaterina

Sinful could've made a similar comparison that got his point across to a lot of people, but instead he decided to make a comparison to actual nazis, and now everyone's talking about that instead of his actual message.

ekaterina

Doing something ironically is still doing it. This is a good rule 8 ban.

I'll also save sinful the trouble, I am not a manuelmin, I have never even set foot on Manuel:

ekaterina

I edited the post because my friend asked me to, not you, Ekaterina, you stupid yogurt cup. Don't you have some kard karrying klansman to be championing? Considering that in this thread you were the supposed "kard karrying klansman" I was "championing", you dumb glass of milk , ...

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