/tg/Station 13

JackHunt

I'd say atmos goes a long way towards a few thematic goals. Without atmos there really isn't much lifesupport for a space station and hull breaches and the like don't seem super threatening. It also provides one of Malf's biggest tool and a great micromanaging tool for dealing with common disasters ...

JackHunt

It's an odd game. Some missions are just incredible with their atmosphere or story it's just that there's a bunch of stuff in between those few really great MGS stories. The filler missions aren't bad for me because I've found the gameplay incredibly entertaining and varied but it's disconnected fro...

JackHunt

I’ve updated the map several times but dmmrender is broken while N3X15 is working on it so no pictures and without them, I decided not to update. Besides, most of what I’ve done is boring stuff like roundstart errors. Allura, while I appreciate the detail and amount of commentary and criticism and c...

JackHunt

It'd encourage mapping as well. It's a great idea.

JackHunt

Have the station stay in the center but randomize the other 8 tiles.

JackHunt

Yeah but who's going to continue to develop the "main fork"? The main fork is where the content is and for better or for worse, that comes from the coders.

JackHunt

Finished space content. Mining is mostly the same as box because if it isn't broke, don't fix it. There is a completely new z3 but I don't want to spoil it just yet. Now that shuttles work and the map has spawns in for antags, the map is probably totally functional. I'd like to move on to a full pla...

JackHunt

And loop then together as a space torus?

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Here's the current emergency shuttle:

Now that shuttles work you can play any roundtype you please. The map is probably getting close to a playtest so that is nice. I've made the armory securitron start turned off to fix it leaving the armory doors open at round start.

JackHunt

Sounds good. The only reasons there's an atmos system is so AI's have another minor tool to help with defense. Panic siphoned rooms or rooms that have been over-pressurized are just another set of obstacles that can stop human intruders. Really though if someones really set on killing you and prepar...

JackHunt

So I've been busy with work and haven't had as much time to work on the map as I've wanted to have. Here is a slightly out of date image of the next revision of the AI sat. In the current version there are air vents, scrubbers and a camera in the turret antechamber. Tell me what you think. I am stil...

JackHunt

I redid the AI core because I didn't like how the lobby worked or the two arms reaching back to the maintenance section. Since the umbilical doesn't work (although I wish it did because I really like it) I'll probably revert to the current lobby+maint with the old core instead + fixed teleporter. Th...

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Brand new update, check it out. Reworked Sec Maint to be more compact, removed escape pods Added escape pods to the north of Port and Starboard arms Removed R-Windows from Bar and Library Made a bigger AI sat access tube entrance, moved Gateway over two tiles Cosmetic Changes to the Bridge Changed s...

JackHunt

but won't that make perma completely useless? anytime someone is put in perma the carp is just gonna aggro through the glass an kill them Nope. The carp has been varedited to not destroy the windows. It serves as a security measure like a guard dog to prevent someone from false walling near perma a...

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Thanks for the feedback. There's a new version with a lot of changes coming out next week. The carp isn't friendly. It's to stop a simple false wall and two second spacewalk from getting you out of perma. The AI sat and port interior arm are getting completely redone.

JackHunt

Fixed up a few things in the latest release: Added Air canisters and space heaters to maint on starboard and port arms for hallway grief. Added maint section below security with walled in areas Added maint section on port arm with several cubbies Added cosmetic changes around Arrivals docking bay Ad...

JackHunt

The SMES have been var edited. Three store power and one has a very high output. This should make power control less tedious. This combined with the four solar SMESs and the Backup power SMESs is more than enough to power the station in my tests. It's subject to change if it doesn't work. Upon furth...

JackHunt

Hey All, I am now looking for people to Beta test this map! What this means is downloading the .dmm, hosting your own server and playing as a department or two that you're familiar with. I'm not asking for a complete test and I'll try and update with whatever suggestions or fixes that are needed. Th...

JackHunt

A cargo update should come before any sort of economy system. Make it work for cargo first then see about expanding it to the rest of the station.

JackHunt

Someone needs to make a balance change guide or something. A list of what needs to be considered and what to do and not to do. Questions like "What is the problem this is trying to solve" "How does it solve it?" "What other things does this change effect?" "What el...

JackHunt

This is tough but not as bad as it could be. DM will still open maps with incorrect paths so it's not that. It's possible that a map item itself, such as a locker or spawner, references a missing item. Off the top of my head the shotgun change here: https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/1001...

JackHunt

Eh, I just ended up putting them in a row. There's been a whole slew of minor changes, lights air alarms and more. I'm way over halfway done my mapping issue list so huzzah! Also this is the first image of disposals so be sure to look at the clusterfuck north of cargo. For those wondering the dispos...

JackHunt

I think distracting the AI is possibly the best option although I worry it's too far. People will already scream "MALF!" if you take too long to do things or get distracted from certain tasks.

JackHunt

Why not make walls much more expensive than floors? It seems that would fix both problems of breaches and of walling off being a viable strategy. It also makes intuitive sense.

JackHunt

I think removing the AI is way too drastic a change. It serves a lot of utility purposes on the station and valid hunting is far from it's sole purpose. I think we should deal with the problem itself instead of ripping out huge parts of the round.

JackHunt

Increase the traitor count and make anti-AI items more available or more visible. This dovetails nicely into the "more chaos, more lethality" desire and doesn't mess with any of the important AI functions. Perhaps separate the emag into two items, one for doors and one for everything else....

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Fixed up some Atmos issues. Got disposals working. The map is basically in an alpha state right now. It's feature complete but needs to be much more polished before I'll think about distributing the dmm. I've run some of the mapping debug tools on it and the bottom line is I have 626 issues I need t...

JackHunt

Maybe replace the actual letters with moans and groans for words to make it incomprehensible most of the time. oooooOOOOoooooOOOOoooo!

Give ghosts objective like instructions. You're a ghost now, go be spooky, not the greytiding asshole you were in life.

JackHunt

If you make it rare enough or difficult enough to get information from beyond the grave I think it's fine. Chair spinning is a problem because it's easy, not because information about whatever is game breaking. Requiring candles and incense and runes and maybe a few rare items to perform a seance th...

JackHunt

Honestly there's a bunch of stuff in development right now. Wait a few months and there'll be a bunch of new maps to try. They might not be any good but they'll certainly give players an idea of what they like. Right now the biggest problem is that the complaints about box aren't very well translate...

JackHunt

Maybe a more manageable implementation would just be the cargo revamp. It's smaller, more modular and even if economy doesn't pan out, it's an improvement.

JackHunt

Piping is done. Check out the madness. Current state of the station Tons of minor fixes, hooking up shutters properly, AI lobby redone, Lots of var edits to make machinery work. A few new maint rooms. Med and Sec have their own air supplies and generators if needed. Sec has some alligators in the sp...

JackHunt

There were a bunch of undocumented things added to tg that remain pretty secret like Hallucinations. Sure if you codedive you can find them but it's pretty obscure and your average person can't make sense of DM code anyway.

JackHunt

Box is already 2.0, it's 2.1.3 I believe. The thing is that making a station bigger is about as big of a task as making a new station entirely. There's a couple of maps in development now that might be ready to test in a few months. Baring a really dedicated mapper, a box upgrade will take much long...

JackHunt

The way it was in my head is that panic siphons basically act like an opening to space. In that context it doesn't seem so bad. If it needs a nerf is an open question but right now I think they function pretty well.

JackHunt

Mining might be getting an overhaul in the coming months with lavaland stuff. How hardened are the connections? How big of a bomb do you need to have to completely sever a section off? I think the walkways connecting sections could be a bit beefier but other than that there seems to be a good balanc...

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Thanks for the heads up. I haven't even started touching other z levels yet. Centcom and mining will both need changes.

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Why the old firelocks? Needs the new Nuke too.

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Perhaps it shouldn't be so easy but preemptively sabotaging perma is a pretty rad strat. I wouldn't mind encouraging that, albeit in a less surefire way. Again, I'll try and find some sort of alternative. It would be great if there was some way to consistently damage someone passing through a turf.

JackHunt

I wanted to keep it vulnerable enough so that nuke ops could get to the armory. I can electrify the grilles. Or perhaps partition the spacemoat and keep the perma one larger. I don't want to do away with that maint because it's a pretty big alternate route through the station and disued location for...

JackHunt

Why does the tram-tube network terminate at science? Wouldn't it be more sensible to terminate at arrivals and make it like some kind of transit hub? Or was the purpose to make it Science orientated? (I guess it kinda makes sense for a research station). I'd love for it to terminate at arrivals. Th...

JackHunt

I definitely think this will negatively affect the round. Chores are not fun and throwing a prisoner in the gulag will be a chore. Perma is seldom used as is. Neither is it fun being trapped off z-level. It also takes key players out of the game for minutes at a time when there could be more pressin...

JackHunt

So basically the interest of traitor objectives for non-traitors? Sounds good and it'll even help with balancing the tasks people do on the station, mixing them up instead of the same old routine. It'll probably create a little more RP which isn't a bad thing either.

JackHunt

Biodome functional and destroyed

Spoiler:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4x97hw6cpgiua ... e.dmm?dl=0

JackHunt

Maint is officially done it's first pass but I'm sure there's still more to be done. There's now a bomb range, escape pods and more kicking around the station. Most rooms have updated light placement and the areas were revamped once again to deal with some rearrangements in maint. AI sat got a very ...

JackHunt

There aren't any small maps to play currently. We should put a sticky or something asking for small ~20ish player maps. It'd give an opportunity to everyone who wanted to get into mapping to give it a shot too without the task of making a gigantic 50 person station.

JackHunt

Surgery really isn't that close to maint so it's awkward to change it up. I don't think there's a shortage of surgery tools on the map though. Med Research and robotics both have a full set of surgery tools. There's also an abandoned room north of med with everything but a circular saw. There's a ci...

JackHunt

Started to work on atmos but I had to revert my changes due to poor planning. Goddamn would it be nice to have a dual purpose scrubber/supply pipe. Alas. Instead I did a bunch of miscellaneous things Teleporter and conference room should be swapped with the captain's suite of rooms, because the cap'...

JackHunt

Can I make a request for some trees? The only ones I can find in SS13 look kinda bad. Just something vaguely deciduous and green. If it was in the style of those kirby potted plants, that would be perfect.

JackHunt

What's wrong with it? It has all the usual equipment, the suits are in an EVA closet further up. Barricades are lower risk and are up in the antechamber.

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