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damiac

Yeah, this definitely should be allowed, but I guess technically by the word of the rules it's kinda not. So maybe that policy needs a little addendum about when you're borged as an alternative to execution/perma.

damiac

It's not using your dna, if it was you'd be like a new born baby, mentally (well sort of).

It's somehow copying your existing old body, brain structure and all, but it is somehow able to distinguish between injury and normal weirdness.

damiac

Good to know, thanks HG.

He returned the ID pretty quick, and in fact, he stole it at HOP line, so it was easy enough to replace, so I'm glad I didn't adminhelp that particular instance of ID theft.

damiac

While I think you guys are a bit wacky with refusing to explain what's allowed and what's not, most of the time what I think is OK seems to line up with what the admins think is OK. And so far, when it hasn't, I was informed and allowed to not do that thing anymore. It's just that I've played on ser...

damiac

Half the people in this thread wrote: I'm a griefer, but because it's me, it's funny and quirky, not bad like when other people do it to me!

damiac

Who is this policy for? In fact, what is the purpose of the rules at all? I assumed it was so the players could have a Good Time (TM). But now it seems more like the rules are there for the administration's enjoyment, as the playerbase doesn't seem to actually support them. So, what are the rules ac...

damiac

In the rounds I played this weekend, there was quite a bit of 'ayyyy lmao' over the radio. An admin even said it a few times in OOC. This seems like a policy that's being driven from 1 new admin. It sort of seems like TG wants to be like the absolute worst of bay and goon combined with the recent di...

damiac

Being admingibbed is essentially a ban from the round in most circumstances, but that's kind of aside from the point of the thread anyway. I think I pretty much get what's considered 'acceptable behavior'. I was hoping an admin would come in here and confirm or deny Psyentific's list, but oh well. B...

damiac

I know, people knowing the rules is likely to cause them to act within those rules! THE HORROR! Anyway, what I was asking has been answered pretty well, although it'd be nice if an admin would confirm the answers. Essentially, you can occasionally be a pretty bad criminal, stealing, hassling people,...

damiac

Apparently this is why polls need an 'other' option. However, I believe everyone who picked anything except never actually just meant 'Not specifically never', not the thing they actually voted for. Anyone who thinks someone picked a poll option because of what that poll option specifically said is ...

damiac

No, I didn't mean to ask what I can do without getting in trouble, to be honest, I think my questions have been answered pretty well. I just wanted to make sure it was ok to be a petty criminal, I certainly don't think it's ok to beat people into crit or mess up anyone's round

damiac

So was he actually legitimately given ban powers, or are his current powers just the result of shenanigans?

damiac

Sorry for all the threads, but it seems like this needs to be discussed: What crimes are currently allowed OOC for a non antag? These are all assuming that these things aren't happening constantly, just once in a while. Non-harmful assault: E.g. pushing someone over(or slipping them), cuffing them, ...

damiac

This is related to Paprika's ban for saying the infamous phrase. As a quick point of clarification, the current rules for IC in OOC say: IC in OOC can be a no warning ban of 15 minutes, it can be longer if the IC in OOC is severe. To clarify, this is revealing anything about the current round that o...

damiac

Cool, thanks. I don't have any notes or anything to mirror, I was just curious whether I was allowed to do that.

damiac

I was surfing around on the rules page on the wiki, and couldn't find any mention of the rules on 'Multikeying' so I'd like some clarification on what the rules are. Am I allowed to play on TG with different keys, assuming I only play with 1 at a time? (Meaning, I know I can't die as one character, ...

damiac

So... why are the admins creating and enforcing rules that are disliked?

damiac

Mob-mentality / "Shitlers" / "Graytide" If a mob of crew members swarms the brig, you are free to use lethal force. A person that is intentionally fucking with security is to be brigged. Should the brigging fail, he is to be permabrigged. Should that fail, he is to be executed. ...

damiac

His recent ban of Paprika seems like a good example. I sort of thought his behavior toward Oldman got him kicked permanently off the admin list, but apparently it was just a long hiatus. Or maybe he was let back in as a 'fuck you' to Intigracy.

damiac

It just seems really iffy to have someone drop out for a few months then pop right back in and start handing out bans like nothing happened. Oh and one more thing, I'm not handing out bans. I'm purposely trying to get up to date on the ever-changing shitstorm that is our giant codex of rules before...

damiac

Why do people try to take complicated situations and try to boil them down to black-and-white shit to make people look bad or dismantle their arguments? Even when we have the full information and logs of what happen people just assume shit and ask stupid questions like the post above me. BEING ON T...

damiac

So saying the word 'riot' just took control over the other player's poor little minds and made them do evil stuff like PUTTING CARPETS ON THE FLOOR!?!?!?! So what would a 'legitimate punishment' be here? Being on the bridge unauthorized is bannable now? What IC crimes aren't bannable by those standa...

damiac

Well, if that's how scaredy feels I guess that's how it is, but that's a really weird interpretation of griefing vs innocent screwing around. But, even other admins didn't seem to see it that way, e.g.: If this was honestly only about reflooring the bridge with no other variables involved, everybody...

damiac

I uh... actually have played the game within the last 6 months (2 months ago) I also used to play the game daily, so uhh... wrong again HG And since you know so much about me, clearly I'm a member of the community (If I wasn't, you probably wouldn't be talking about me, now would you?) Also, you app...

damiac

Anon is a different voice of insanity in a sea of insanity, but at least he's insane in a different direction than the majority of the administration. If you get enough crazy people pulling in random directions, you should mostly stay put, so I think that's a good thing.

damiac

Yeah, for unpaid administration of a pretty big server, TG has really good administration. Part of the reason TG has such good administration is that TG has 100 people ready to jump on examples of bad administration. It kinda sucks that it has to work that way, but it does seem to work. That's why I...

damiac

Hiro Protagonist was a really fucking dumb name in snow crash, and it's a really fucking dumb name in SS13. I don't know which is worse really, naming your character based on a popular work of fiction, or just having a dumb name in general... Either way, the old name policy was fine except it bother...

damiac

Hey idiot admins: The guy who runs the server and makes the rules just told you "What oldman did is allowed. The admin response was so terrible I temporarily deadminned him over it" So if you disagree with that, you're enforcing rules that the GUY WHO MAKES THE RULES SAID DO NOT EXIST! It'...

damiac

And then what? The round will continue normally, unruined, instead of instantly devolving into a deathmatch? The horror...

damiac

Adding word filters for 'oldling' and 'newling' prevents discussion of the very real differences, because those are the terms the community uses to discuss them.
That's some erro during the meltdown level bullshit right there.

damiac

I love bullying mimes. I sometimes go out of my way to do so. Mutey spent half the round on the arcade for a double bladed toy sword? Shove that silent fuck to the ground and space that shit. Mime accidentally wandered into science and wants out? Message the redshirts to come get him because "...

damiac

I play in this community because... it's the only place that keeps the 'mafia in space' feel of SS13 for me. The server I used to play on was really nice, but things changed over time, and it got pretty circlejerky. Plus the fact that they insist on regularly playing 'random' mode, which regularly l...

damiac

Actually, I objectively won the debate by not saying anything until the end. And since I said 'objectively' that means it's absolutely true, even if it's my opinion. Because my opinion is right, objectively. I do agree the AI has a little too much sway over rounds, where really it's almost like an '...

damiac

Hmm, well I'll give it a try next time I see it. Thanks for the tip. Man though... I miss steno, now when I read an FNR thread, and an admin does/says something that makes no sense, I can't call them on it, unless it's so horrific that it deserves a comment in admin feedback. But in admin feedback, ...

damiac

The current system is creating more chaos in the name of 'Lel it's funny when I say someone killed Ian and everyone comes and gets their valids on'

Make it a briggable offense, not an instant deathmatch button and people will stop doing it so much.

damiac

I'm sure you're on a lot of people's lists yourself... Also, ban he.

EDIT: My confession is that I tend to get along with people well ingame, despite all the friction on the forums. My other confession is that Miauw metagrudges regularly.

damiac

Just a fun story from way back, it's short: Years ago on the forums people were talking about the holodeck and both me and Quarxink made comments about how we both sometimes like to log in as assistants and just shoot hoops. Immediately after doing so I get the urge to log in and shoot hoops, and a...

damiac

Well, everyone knows, the only way to win a debate is to say "I am winning this debate". What, did you think it was based on logic and the merits of the author's points? People can't be bothered to read all that shit! I have won this debate. Any further discussion will be taken as an admis...

damiac

tbh if i heard someone killed a dog, yes, i would want to beat the shit out of them irl, regardless of who they are animal cruelty is fucking horrible and anyone who does it is less than human there is no reason to do it other than being a sick cunt if it was self defense its obviously not animal c...

damiac

The worst of steno is still here, uninvolved admins shitpost constantly in FNR, now it's just people with special snowflake colored names shitposting.

damiac

Utterly wrecking your shit is fun so I'll keep going. 1) You keep using /vg/ station as a place where public logs work, and thus public logs should be a direct benefit to /tg/ station. You seem to have forgotten that the only thing our two servers have in common is that they both host SS13 games /v...

damiac

Iconic? No, if there are going to be name rules, names like Mai Emerson and Fleur Tyles should be the first to go, they're much worse than an actually original nickname. Names like that might have been clever when SS13 was relatively new...

damiac

It's not that hard to not kill Ian. It's harder to not get accused of killing Ian. Have you read the posts in the thread, where people talk about times they were killed, despite not having killed Ian? That's why it's a problem, it's a dumb meta thing, like a traitor reading WGW with a voice changer ...

damiac

Just don't end up with a vague "murderboning is ok sometimes, but not too much, subject to completely random admin interpretation and mood". Either it's allowed, there are specific things not allowed, or it's not allowed at all.

damiac

I don't get the point of this, except to give admins another thing to police randomly. I mean, everyone knows something ridiculous like xXx_KillSlayer420_xXx isn't allowed, but who does it hurt when people have somewhat silly names or nicknames? In real life, some people have some pretty strange nam...

damiac

What if your target spawns next to you at roundstart? Should you have to wait some arbitrary amount of time before you kill him?

damiac

That's nice that one admin said that on this forum, but what the hell is your point? My argument (and the OP's) is that the stupid 'Kill anyone who anyone said killed Ian' rule is dumb, and only promotes validhunting. There are examples in this very thread of people whose round was ruined because of...

damiac

Yeah... in a roleplaying game you're supposed to act like a real human right? So if you hear secondhand someone maybe killed a dog, do you get every single person you know and go beat that person to death? Then stuff their body in a trash can? Or if you hear there's a guy with a gun at the 7-11, do ...

damiac

Petkilling is for some reason the one type of 'gettin' muh valids' the admins endorse. Pet killers should be valid to nobody, it should just be a briggable offense. As it stands now, it's just a stupid way to allow people to randomly killbait. Also, do you have to be super gay for Corgis to be an ad...

damiac

I think rather than such a specific rule, I'd rather have a generic rule saying "Antags can do what they want, so long as it somehow advances their objectives" That also fixes some other problems of 'friendly antags' who do nothing to advance the round. So, recalling the shuttle when your ...

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