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Ah, the good ol' line in the sand again. As has been mentioned in multiple recent threads which touched on this problem either indirectly or by chance, the idea that a certain bodycount or particular intent (one which is debatable and undetectable, because hey, people will just lie) is necessary to ...

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It does start seeming to become an issue when it's about "antag-rolling," or as Saegrimr and Oranges state, abandoning SE and similar jobs because you rolled badly. Asking people to go braindead/suicide in a specific place or way does seem excessive, but at the same time I'd like to be abl...

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While I have no outside information regarding this ban, and perhaps WeeYakk was out-of-line for taking such a harsh route... I really must protest a ban being placed on the grounds of it ruining an admin-event. We're encouraged to test these things locally and, in general, prepare for the possibilit...

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Adminbus_Themesong.avi I hardly think I'm qualified To come across all sanctified I just don't cut it with the playerbase Subtle, what are you talking about!? There again they're on their knees Conspira-cizing is a breeze Which rather suits us in the interim Interim, interim, it's SoS' whim! Fuck t...

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Thanks for coming clean about it. It's really one of our only "big deal" rules that'll get you removed on the spot. Considering you fessed up and the nonviolent nature of the shenanigans I'm willing to unban you both in nine days. (A week plus two for the silly attempt at misdirection) We'...

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Your best bet is to treat that guy like any other player. When we see people assisting eachother for no discernible reason, cooperating to perform shenanigans like this silently it's a thousand red flags. An officer definitely shouldn't be defying his superiors and breaking in to get a lawyer gear b...

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I did watch you both for some time before deciding to apply this ban. That level of coordination doesn't just spontaneously arise without text communication. With all due respect you'd save us all a lot of time by skipping the part where we go back and forth about it. Deciding to gather equipment an...

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We're getting dangerously close to a derail here. Let's leave the Admin/Coder culture-war out of it for the moment. It has very little to do with what we're trying to achieve. SoS wanting Coderbus (a third entity in the arbitrary trifecta of /tg/station) to decide a third candidate doesn't necessari...

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So I ask all of you guys, do you think I deserve to be permanently banned? Is the bibliodewangus you've come to know over the past weeks a bad person? Disruptive, and ruining everyone else's fun? You cut the entire station off from the powernet, pried up and vandalized everything in sight as a Stat...

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I would give up my appointment in order for the coders to name a head admin. Sounds solid to me. I've heard plenty of tales about when "Headmins" and "Headcoders" were one inseparable entity. Agreeing with Quartz on this one too. Holding anything but nominations on the forums le...

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Bluespace wrote:All hope lost.

In a twist of irony, he's actually here as we speak! Let's keep it focused on the subject at hand, guys.

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[...] previously we tried to have each headmin assigned to a specific duty but it kinda fell apart. Spot on. I'd have to say Ely/Inti/HBL ended up doing more "Head of Bans" work than that actual head towards the end of this setup. Perhaps since we do just have HBL, perhaps we could just i...

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The position of "Headmin" has come to mean far too much without the checks and balances afforded by having a group of them. The current state is that of a "leader for life" with total power over policy decisions and administrative control. This is purely by chance, having resulte...

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"Not Mime"

Really shines when you can convince the Mime to be "Not Clown."

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I'm afraid your global RnD-jobban is in the hands of HBL rather than myself.

I'll try and point them to this thread at their earliest convenience.

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Phrasing it in terms of a bodycount does seem silly. As many people have pointed out we have items designed to mutilate the station; how many end up screwed by the singularity is hardly fair to the "kill-total" of that particular traitor. At the same time though I think most murderboners (...

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You're entitled to your version of the story as well, but if that's the way we're playing it there's nothing more to be said here.

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Oh no, sixteen damage. Whatever will they do! Applying a revolution ban and a dayban for the murder with direction to this thread. As always restraining your validboner during team antagonist rounds is highly recommended, getting bopped with a suitcase is absolutely no reason to outright kill someon...

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Validhunting and playing-to-win in their purest forms. Shame on them and TECHNICALLY against the rules anyway... That said I don't believe I'd be able to make a ban stick. You were "valid" by having that gun and being a traitor even if they were a nonantagonist. Judging from the Clown's ab...

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Ah, I do recall this situation. Would help if you included the entire ban reason, the IEDs also? I'm not going to remove this ban if you insist on sticking to the same boldface lie. Stunning someone and dragging their bomb away from the airlock and into a crowd isn't "helping;" you're dire...

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Thank you, and likewise I apologize for being brief with you in our original conversation.

For what it's worth the ban is lifted as of the time of this post.

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It appears that Elite444 has been playing pretty consistently since the unban. No punishments or notes applied by other admins in that time, so considering your friend has been gone about three weeks now I'll accept that as punishment enough for for what happened to the Chaplain. I'll lift his ban, ...

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I stressed that your bad feelings about the Captain weren't enough to justify removing him from command and throwing him in perma. Also, while your responses to my questions were very long and vague none of that actually answered anything, most pressing of which being "What were his crimes?&quo...

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Love Syndibombs and won't be glad to see them go but folks have to admit they're a one-trick pony. Nobody assigns signals to the wires, rigs elaborate trigger/detonate traps, uses them to hold hostages or even bothers to wrench them down 99% of the time. These are the uses for them that are "fu...

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If the two of you just want to vandalize APCs, break stuff and greytide while metacommunicating I don't think this is the right server for it.

Try appealing after a more significant amount of time has passed.

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Ask and ye' shall receive! It seems I had things quite mixed up. Well, you know what they say about assumptions... [16:07:55]SAY: Bon Nuit/Bonifique : WHO THE FUCK DID THAT [16:08:56]ATTACK: <font color='red'>Bon Nuit(bonifique) shot Dalton Wolffe(cedarbridge) with The electrode</font> [16:08:59]SAY...

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It's much more simple than you're trying really hard to make it out to be. Sure altering the overarching story and having some common framework to build character interaction off of in a consistent way would be nice, but that's too much change for a first step. You're asking people to rework their w...

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looping wrote:assistant_gets_surgery_performed_in_medical.avimpegjpegwmvipodfile

Literally perfect, I'm dying of laughter right now.

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Alright, seems solid to me and you've certainly waited long enough.

I'll set a note for you regarding the situation and we'll re-examine things in about a week.

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If the situation was handled by an admin in-game then upturning that decision is the premise of an admin-complaint rather than a ban-request. Unfortunate that the admin didn't get back in touch with the victim but that's the usual casualty of a chaotic round like this appears to have been. From a qu...

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I can't help but feel that the point is being overshadowed. You simply don't need a set universe to prevent metagaming specifically. Other servers also address the "problem" of people using their character backgrounds to justify having extra knowledge about antagonists, etc. by just saying...

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It's outdated and rather off-topic for the thread, only supplied it for reference of the general tone.

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Were you arrested for more than a few minutes? Standing around watching while someone breaks into a high-security area isn't the best idea. People do make mistakes, and while I'll grant that the officer may not have been the brightest or his name the classiest I don't see any OOC action that should ...

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There's some excellent discussion on both sides. My opening post was obviously too alarmist in all respects. I'll accept the accusation that it's full of "boogiemen." To clarify, the impressions I get from SoS' document are purely my own interpretation of it; they came off dangerously clos...

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"3. This is a roleplaying game. The purpose of the game is to have fun roleplaying. Being an asshole, who ruins other player’s roleplay experience, just to win, is considered a ‘play-to-win’ style of playing. You can and will be banned for this playstyle. Be considerate of other players’ experi...

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Eh, I give up.

If neither of you want to examine the comparative contexts I'm wasting letters. Yes, my bad for using a meme I dislike.

EDIT: Oh God what have I done. Renaming of thread to "Shipost General" when? Embrace the memes, the euphoria.

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No less true, but I'm not asserting this is evidence.

Difference between "daily reminder that X is a shit-player" and "daily reminder to brush your teeth."

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Now right off the bat I can promise this thread won't do much other than provoke a massive argument. That said, it does need to be mentioned. How can we call ourselves a roleplaying server when our rules explicitly forbid meta/powergaming only to go on and allow certain forms of them? There's a bala...

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I'm sorry but when it comes to grief attached to metacommunication that's the standard policy we have. He saved you via it and went on to randomly attack other players, if you two decide that you'd be the one unbanned we might be willing to remove the other after some time observing your conduct in ...

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Subtle here with your monthly reminder that Headmin elections are never happening!

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If security is foolish enough to attempt or talk about killing someone under an ASIMOV silicon's watch they deserve everything they get. Other than that it's obviously in the interest of everyone's fun to play ignorant until they drag some poor sod screaming to the "execution chamber." Can...

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I just want to be clear that this (despite the rather inflammatory and undescriptive ban reason) is for metacommunication. Ended up explaining to the other fellow on BYOND-messenger that if these bans were lifted it would be only the one of them. Have you two decided that you'd be the unbanned accou...

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As of present there's no such thing as an antagonist security officer. This really shouldn't even be a question. Of course you can't plant evidence to have someone perma-brigged or executed. I'm all for sterner sentences when it comes to greytiding/repeat-offenders but you just plain have to take th...

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Technical issues caused the ban to be reapplied as you'd guessed.

Shouldn't be in place anymore.

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Three days is long enough and I suppose everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, at least at first.

Would appreciate a bit of restraint in the future. Other than that have fun.

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I think it's been long enough to make the point.

Playing security generally means taking the high route, especially during an emergency. Tone down the trigger-happy stuff and we'll be fine.

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The fault there is mine, it'll be lifted as of this post.

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You were messaged five times, then twice more in the lobby and twice again in-game the round after. Zero effort to respond to any of them. Forgive me if I imply you're lying because that's about the only conclusion I can draw here. Basically chased down and stunned some guy over lasertag, that's not...

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People playing together with outside communication follow a really obvious pattern of puppy-dogging eachother around. If you're going to do it to help a new player that's fine. Doing it while you both harass other players puts up a thousand red flags for us, regardless of how vocally you're against ...

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Disarmed once when you displayed your intent to ignore their cries for help and shoot them by pulling your gun. Told me yourself they had "broken in" and were "trespassing" originally, so obviously you didn't bother to consider the situation or who they were. Problem here isn't y...

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