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Poll changed based on useful feedback from Rockdtben

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Oh! The paperclip maximizer link. That's the point, though, is that the AI is made safe as well as made dangerous by that it absolutely must follow its laws, and that incautious treatment of its laws or their wording can have horrendous, catastrophic backfire. I have, on rare occasions, received ion...

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Votes against without actual reasons written or PMed will probably be more or less ignored. Votes in favor without actual reasons written or PMed will suffer a similar fate, I assume? That's only logical. What it comes down to is I trust people not to be dumb enough to vote in a policy based on the...

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Pandarsenic wrote:Posts not relevant to the policy itself will be deleted.

Also, Aranclanos, this thread is for actual administrators, so please do not post in it or vote in the poll.

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This thread has had its time. Continue to http://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=740 now.

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So, having undergone review by admins, then players, back to admins again! Read this before posting. http://pastebin.com/bduT7pFf Read this before posting. This is the final place to go over any outstanding objections you have to this being made official. The community's feedback has been used to im...

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Changelog: ADJUSTED 1.4.2 and subsections slightly to... 1.4.2 - Voluntary (and ONLY voluntary) debraining/ cyborgization is considered a nonharmful medical procedure. 1.4.2.1 - Involuntary debraining and/or cyborgization is a fatally harmful act that Asimov silicons must attempt to stop at any poin...

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Okay, those are all doing things. So what if you don't spawn a bunch of C4, and instead you only do one, and you suicide with it on the spot? What if you unlock your PDA and suicide and see if anyone notices? Etc. At what point does less action become not enough action? What about, heaven help us, C...

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OBJECTION! At the 3-hour mark and periodically thereafter, Bay activates a "Crew Transfer Shuttle" vote (which almost always goes through unless fluke ops). Until we add that functionality, a shuttle call is dependent on: A Comms Console + A Head ID A Comms Console + A second person to bec...

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"It only had the capacity to kill, not the requirement" "It didn't kill a ton of people, there were just people who got in the way and didn't go along with it" "They had no right to protest being removed from the normal progression of the round" "It was wrong that ...

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It's unwritten because it's a sweeping generalization that doesn't apply in a large number of situations. Very few people have succumb ready and waiting in their chat bar for someone to crit them in any situations of impending death they intend to adminhelp. Their past grievances with you are not wh...

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All other things equal, someone swimming in money is less interesting than someone who actually has to do their own personal work to fulfill their basic needs.

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It's INCREDIBLY easy to justify murder under this lawset: Assistants are evil and must be sent to the gulag. The rest of the law heavily implies they should be kept alive for this, but you only need enough of them alive to form a grayshirt community. Assistants are evil people. Evil people do evil t...

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Seriously, people. Stop trying to find ways to have being shitty to other people protected by the rules when you're nonantag. Just wait for antag status to fuck with people. If you're acting in good faith (using inaprovaline to try to get someone to medical because you had a fight that escalated IC)...

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Why was there a second account in the first place?

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>Implying we wouldn't be ever harsher on someone for keeping someone alive but in critical to try to force them into succumbing

C'mon, guys, you're smarter than that.

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ExplosiveCrate wrote:
Pandarsenic wrote:Isn't this like ghosting when arrested and then complaining about what someone does with your body?
It's more like ghosting after being permabrigged/shoved in a 2x2 metal square naked and cuffed.

Not in general, in this specific case.

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Isn't this like ghosting when arrested and then complaining about what someone does with your body?

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Separate ban appeal if you were banned in a different incident and/or by a different admin, generally.

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I fully believe that if someone other than NNF had done that people would be talking about how funny it was.

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Orb of Scrying means you can talk with ghosts. It's part of its things.

I appreciate Hibbles talking to the still-living higher-ups for my Silicon Tyranny Robutt Project thing.

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Selene stands in a corner after thoroughly washing her hands, eating her entire meal with one hand while holding its container with the other.

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Lo6a4evskiy wrote:Unless you happened to have an antag status. Good luck getting justice done even if you didn't do anything at all to provoke the attack.

This, and double good luck if you're a straight traitor and they steal your PDA because lelclown.

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What did he think when Selene carved him up with an E-sword the other night?

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Ban's lifted; you've served a suitable amount of time for the killings already.

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I'd like to hear others weigh in on that, because I feel like that's more meta than I want to encourage - yes, it's a definite line, but "Oh, he looked creepy! Better burn the changeling!" rubs me the wrong way.

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Yeah, if no more needs to be said about this I'll lock and archive tomorrow.

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Noted, Kelenius. Still, expecting someone not to die from 99 is a bit much, since at that point a broken disposal tube firing 4noraisins or a coffee cup will kill you (all objects I know of . Nonetheless, the matter seems resolved, so I'll lift the ban, lock this and archive tomorrow if that's it.

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SirBayer, though he quit before he made fullmin.

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Added with consultation: 2.3.3 - When given an order likely to cause you grief if completed, you can announce it as loudly and in whatever terms you like except for explicitly asking that it be overridden. You can say you don't like the order, that you don't want to follow it, etc., you can say tha...

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The only team antag ban I can think of having to be applied for repeatedly ramboing and fucking his teams over because he's a selfish player is Tsaricide (bombing station as a cultist, heading to the station alone wordlessly as a nuke op and ruining their rounds twice). Most people are fuckups on ac...

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The N2O is for surgeries (ha! ha!) and riot control.

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If the only head is a traitor and there's no sec, this is what's known as a breakdown of the command structure. At this point, the remaining crew is able to enact justice upon known murderers or attempted murderers pretty much however they like simply because they don't have (presumably) the IC auth...

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Can anyone give me a reason not to delete this? It's clearly just a way of bitching about http://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic. ... 975#p11975

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[18:07:35]ATTACK: Bourg Magar(douk) attacked Bourg Magar(douk) with hatchet(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) [18:07:37]ATTACK: Bourg Magar(douk) attacked Pixi() with hatchet(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) [18:07:38]ATTACK: Bourg Magar(douk) attacked Pixi() with hatchet(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE...

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Rigel x Criminal Activity

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With the blessing of SoS, HBL, and Deuryn, I am now officially in charge of Silicons, so if anyone needs questions of silicon policy answered, needs silicon policies made official, takes issue with the write-up of the current state of the policy document I'm maintaining, etc., bring it here. If you ...

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It's not bannable now and it won't be under this new policy.

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There are others, but none that are so blatantly identifiable, I would say. Epi overdose is pretty distinct but meta as fuck to recognize. Most of the other stings are subtle and non-message enough that they can't be tied with certainty to a particular person with enough reliability for silicons to ...

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Bolting down and stopping people from using genetics and toxins is completely different from bolting down the captain's office and stopping people from using the nuclear authentication disk...? There's no meta, there's no powergaming, there's only a borg ensuring that the single most important thing...

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CKEY: Douk He appears to have been belligerent to several people and lied in AdminPMs to ExcessiveUseOfCobby after shooting two people with 15u each of mutagen. Shitty history. Bad enough that I'm going to perma him and call him here. Whoever was supposed to be in charge of the active AdminCandidate...

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Dissonant Shriek IS different, slightly. It causes lights to spark yellow, which makes a sound. It CAN be distinguished from Disable Technology and an EMP Implant beyond the incantation or metagaming the implant's emote.

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Elected not to delete Malkevin's because maybe that'll be the post that gets it through that he definitely harmed a human while trying to prevent harm instead of any of the 500 million ways to prevent harm without burning someone to death. If another forum mod wants to override me, have at it.

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Pulling logs tonight.

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If he were an antag, he wouldn't have ahelped most likely, because people are conditioned to believe that if they're an antag anything done to them goes. If he had ahelped and said "Borg incinerated me without knowing I'm a ling," and I PMed you and got back "Oh, he was burning a husk...

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Changelog to get specific about what is or isn't allowed, since that was a blind spot: Added 2.6.4 - A human-appearing organic can be known to be a changeling (a harmful nonhuman that has killed at least one human already) if it changes to or from a monkey without apparent cause, if it grows a mutat...

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ShadowDimentio: You're still convinced you were only punished because you got his humanity status wrong. This is (or should be) incorrect.

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Pybro, you're involved so you're good. If you whacked the guy with the armblade? You're good. Epi overdose? Okay, that's a little more out there, but I'm tempted to say, "Sure, go for it," simply because of the current state of rulings on metagaming not actually defining whether people can...

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But it wasn't a good reason to think he's a ling. AI is not meant to be "Antaghunter: The robot."

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That has been policy for ages. You can't go "OH MANNNNN HE'S BURNING A HUSKED CORPSE, BETTER TRY TO META THAT HE'S A CHANGELING" and then go "I DID NOTHING WRONG!" when you killed a human. You've demonstrated a complete and utter inability to understand silicon procedures. Appeal...

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