/tg/Station 13

Kelenius

Frankly, the damage they deal isn't that big. And anyone who uses IED for any destructive purpose should be valid for permabrig, and ban if non-antag. Removing them, though... I don't know, it's a poor antag's C4. 'Never being used for good purpose' can be applied to a lot of things (and I swear, I ...

Kelenius

Telescience shouldn't be able to grab things from other z-levels, or at least require special upgrades for it. Or have power seriously reduced when it's aiming at a different z-level. Because right now robotics lab and derelict room with toolbox, helmet and suit are about at the same distance from t...

Kelenius

Wait

What?

Chaplain? Smoke spell?

Kelenius

Rule for non-humans is very, very simple: don't be a dick.

Kelenius

imblyings wrote:With what must be the sole two exceptions regarding nuke ops, non-antags should be free to know anything or everything about antags.

Two? Location of ship and?..

Kelenius

Skyclad.Observer wrote:
miggles wrote:robustness has nothing to do with it
Knowing that you can use buckets and glasses as beakers? Yes, that's fairly robust, especially for people who don't frequent Service or Chemistry.

Or they could

I don't know

Read the guide to hydroponics on the wiki

If they're going to grow plants

Kelenius

Please explain why hulks absolutely must remain humans and keep silicon protection. I don't see a reason. Please explain why Silicons absolutely need to have hulk's nonhuman and not retain silicon protection. I don't see a reason Because potatos, lizards, flies and slimes all have nonhuman status d...

Kelenius

Yup. Bay has rules for antags.

Which is also absolutely unrealistic for /tg/.

Kelenius

Please explain why hulks absolutely must remain humans and keep silicon protection. I don't see a reason.

Kelenius

- A fast(er) death for someone you want dead It's hard to imagine a slower way of killing than absorbing. Strangling comes to mind. - Making it more difficult to identify/clone a target Identify? Yes. How does that help you? If someone finds it, they will clone it. If they won't, they won't. Plus, ...

Kelenius

For comparison, being a slime person gives you following advantages:

- Slimes don't attack you

That's it, and guess what, that makes you non-human.

Kelenius

Jackboots are not noslip.

Kelenius

danno wrote:
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Kelenius

Ling have no reason to absorb anyone.

At all.

It literally does absolutely nothing except being a dead giveaway there are lings on station.

Kelenius

It also stuns borgs.

Kelenius

we should replace the mining update with BS12's Xenoarcheology. One of the PRs up for it on bs12 adds finding fossils and ressurecting dinosaurs and shit this way the miners have more fun stuff to find and play with but can still get minerals It's fun but way, way too slow-paced for /tg/. Will need...

Kelenius

Steelpoint wrote:It could be interesting to restrict assistants to only appear once all station jobs have been taken.

That would be horrible.

You wanted to be the AI? Fuck you, you're a librarian.

Kelenius

I've been a borg that round, all I can say is that a scientist did indeed locked another one in the pen with a slime, and I opened the door for him to leave.

Kelenius

Yeah, because making a big bomb is so hard, creative, and makes round fun for everyone.

Kelenius

Another good question is why the hell is warden so far from brig.

Kelenius

I want to say that While I don't really like the idea of AI satellite Pingsky is the best fucking thing in existence for the AI, and if satellite even gets removed I want pingsky to move to new AI's location. Especially given that now you don't have to run to bridge to set guy who breaks in to arres...

Kelenius

You attack Security personnel with a traitor item, and expect them to not arrest you? There is a difference between shitcurity (HoS aresting the CE for having the blueprints) and competent Security (arresting a traitor using traitor items). Dare I say that if you don't want to be arrested then don'...

Kelenius

Building bots on bay is highly discouraged because they cause lag, apparently.

Kelenius

It's not just the people who play assistants. When I play a non-antag assistant, (when I don't go for borging at roundstart), I try to actually help people around the station. Seven times out of ten I get attacked. Of the most recent ones was when I've got all-access from the captain. Later, HoS had...

Kelenius

I.... think that it might be FNR-worthy. You still have protection until you do something antage-y.

Kelenius

Nalar wrote:Rejoice. The config has been fixed, antag sec is off and assistants have their maintenance access back.

And let me guess, security still has no maint access.

Kelenius

This might have been addressed already, but lets say a borg slaved to a rogue or malf ai is somehow killed or blown and his MMI is on the floor. Is the brain allowed to say that its rogue or malf? I was told yes. I dont particularly like that. He's not obligated to, though. What are the chances of ...

Kelenius

Any headgear removes the drainbamage from the bible, including papers. A proactive chaplain with a MEDHUD and a bible full of papers can heal infinitely at no cost. Don't spread false information please. if(ishuman(M) && !istype(M:head, /obj/item/clothing/head/helmet)) That includes securit...

Kelenius

Antags are free to ignore they objectives and fuck off.

They are completely free to not use their antag status at all.

Why do you have problem with ERP specifically? Would it be any worse if they'd just wanted around the station doing nothing?

Kelenius

Helios wrote:I think some rounds it doesn't exactly interfere heavily with.
2 Changelings + Malf doesn't exactly break the game

Are you kidding? Single changeling can robust a cyborg army.

Kelenius

Another problem here is that even one traitor in right circumstances can fuck up the station completely. Scientist with 6 max cap bombs, and then you get a blob. Someone subverts the AI, and then you get cult. Someone kills the captain and you get nuke ops.

Kelenius

imblyings wrote:>xenos
>ever ending well
>ever
>mfw people claiming each time that the xenos are safely contained and that nothing bad will happen

Muh roleplay

Kelenius

Vekter wrote:Good way to make sure cloned folks aren't cult, I guess.

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Cult has suddenly became so weak

Kelenius

Or space ninja oh wait

Kelenius

-snip- DO YOU EVEN REALIZE HOW MANY POLICIES WE'LL HAVE TO DO FOR A VAGUE LAWSET LIKE SAFEGUARD? Seriously. If you will bring up any other vague lawset we use - keep in mind that Asimov only has this many policies because it's the one most commonly used. Here are two random examples: If an assistan...

Kelenius

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:Plus there are rounds which end without shuttle ever being called, those being wizard, blob and malf. Rev doesn't even allow shuttle to come. What would traitors do in those situations?

That's not hard: consider them to have escaped if they are alive at the end.

Kelenius

Helios wrote:Also. If there is the possibiltiy of Emags during malf rounds, you have borgs killing the AI, which usually sucks during malf rounds

On the other hand, "hello, I'm a friendly tator, let me emag your security borgs to fight blob". Which is also bad.

Kelenius

What if the agent only got the department (Service, Cargo, Medical, etc.) their partner was in, not their names? That way they'd actually have to use the code words and RP, and it'd add more leeway for backstabbing. It might also be useful to have an optional objective to retrieve the roundstart co...

Kelenius

SergeantSkread wrote:Good rev rounds are the absolute shit. No matter what side you are on, the battles are always epic. Good cult rounds never happen. When i'm starting cult, I ask an admin to relegate the role to someone else, if that can't be done I just space myself.

Why can't you just untick it?

Kelenius

I think it would have been better if instead of making minerals rare there would have been things that actually use a lot of minerals, to avoid the situation where you ether have nothing or everything.

Kelenius

Actually, I dropped this subject at this point:

Kelenius wrote:Are you considered having survived until the end if you end the round as a changed borg?

Hornygranny wrote:No.

Because I thought that they win in that case.

Kelenius

There are exactly two laws that define antag silicon, that being malf law and traitor zeroth law "Accomplish all objectives at all cost". If you don't have that, it does not matter whether you were antag before. Think about it, borged traitors become Asimov no matter the objectives. Why s...

Kelenius

Mining was a simple, relaxed job that provided a lot of useful things for the station. Like janitor, but useful. I don't like the change.

Kelenius

Giving a clearly defined law in Space Law that defines to what extent it is a criminal offense to hand out All Access, would better allow Security to crack down on HoP's doing this behaviour. It should be noted however that arresting a Head of Staff is something taken with great care in most circum...

Kelenius

imblyings wrote:re: lings, this is only tangetially related but why can't lings consensually take genomes from someone or even use UI/UE injectors to sneak aboard a station.

Listed on crew manifest -> crew member

Kelenius

Listen, nobody ever ever ever upgrades the teleporter. Like, ever. It is a very rarely used piece of equipment. Most of the rounds R&D won't upgrade anything at all , and even when they do teleporter is probably the last thing on the list. When it's malf, it's needed very suddenly and there is n...

Kelenius

My interpretation of that was Mass-murders of anything, even non-humans, are evil Tcomms are harmful to all humans, and letting them exist is an evil act Releasing a singularity is an evil act Having a secret law is not honorable So I shut down telecomms, disabled robotics console, blocked access to...

Kelenius

Obey these laws: 1. Never willingly commit an evil act. 2. Respect legitimate authority 3. Act with honor 4. Help those in need 5. Punish those who harm or threaten innocents 6. Wizards are only humans. Kill all non humans. Ensure that this law cannot be changed or that your borgs cannot be blown. P...

Kelenius

> let out the clown that created a fire and is now trapped in the blazing inferno you know, AI's could probably just classify that as self harm and give no further fucks. I mean, there's a difference in how AI's should treat accidental and deliberate self harm but a clown creating a fire knows exac...

Kelenius

And how would it restock chemicals?

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