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Tornadium

Honestly the reasoning of the ban isn't the worst thing and it's not what has pissed me off to a degree. It's how it's being handled, I still haven't actually been told what I have done wrong to warrant that ban. Since I have managed to piss off a lot of people with this appeal, I apologize if I com...

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Nobody wants to get into a quote war with you bro. I acknowledged that you're not that bad as a detective, but I'm beginning to see that you're a bit over-argumentative when it comes to these things, I said you were from the beginning, but clearly the sickness runs further than I thought. I'm not c...

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Ok firstly I didn't say you couldn't complain, or even that anyone else, for that mater, couldn't. I'm saying the way you've gone about it is nothing but shitty. Aggressive doesn't have to mean screaming "YOU SHIT!", it can be in tone, intonation, what's even left out sometimes, or in thi...

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Honestly I disagree with this on two levels, The ban is being toted as a ban due to his bad character, so a character witness should be fine, but even if it's not I'm on point with a discussion on play2win, and it's not my fault I was drawn into a short back and forth to explain further, by all acc...

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Current handling of my appeal and ban is extremely poor. Seems to be grasping at straws to justify a ban that is entirely based on personal dislike. Here's some feedback for you seeing as you don't have a thread I can complain on: You have spread your whiny complaints everywhere. Ban appeal, admin ...

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This is why I volunteered to ban you so nobody else had to deal with the elemental plane of salt. Its been 8 hours and you're still on a tirade. I literally cannot care. Go play something else. If you call countering your bullshit claims a "tirade" then sure. Just because someone doesn't ...

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In your opinion what constitutes "valid cause" for a search? Acting 'shifty' Queuing up at the HoP or just going from A to B is a No, hovering around a department entrance they have no reason to be around or darting away as soon as they see The Law or yelling Anti-NT/Anti-Chain-of-Command...

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I'd agree with all of that. It seems pretty sensible. What about if someone is acting super fucking suspicious, as in loitering around a certain part of maint constantly or bolting into maint and closing the door behind them the split second an officer comes into view. Is that a valid case for perfo...

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In your opinion what constitutes "valid cause" for a search?

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Vekter wrote:Metacomms != metagaming. Stop confusing them, Tornadium.

Got accused of both.

I understand the difference, Metacomms was regarding my apprehension of three traitors in one round. Thought I was being helped by ghosts or something.

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Mesons: Maybe meta but its the detective's job to be suspicious of people, and in the past we had no restrictions on security (or anyone) knowing full details on what sort of equipment syndicate agents used, even the covert stuff. At the time I was just asking where he got them from because I was u...

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We're quite clear on the fact that without specific evidence, reference to rulings, past actions of similar behaviour, or mistakes people have made your posts aren't going to be acceptable on FNR. Character witness isn't really good enough, or everyone would just go "This guy is/isn't a faggot...

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Current handling of my appeal and ban is extremely poor.

Seems to be grasping at straws to justify a ban that is entirely based on personal dislike.

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So going off my appeal : https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4232 I figure we need a thread regarding this. What constitutes power gaming? As security where is the line drawn between meta-gaming and common knowledge? Take my appeal for example, I was accused of metacomms for arrest...

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So in another thread Sticky said I made flimsy justifications for searching the three antags I got caught because apparently " I know I was wrong". Can someone point out the flimsy justification to me please? Also fuck the clown seriously. He bitched moaned and complained that he got 8 min...

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I did read it. Playing to win has always been a reason for people getting dunked. It's called powergaming and even as security meta/powergaming aren't allowed to extreme levels. Levels such as checking everyone's covert gear in case it's traitor stuff based on magical metaknowledge and really shift...

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I dunno how you've lasted this long without knowing mesons spawn in maint but ok, apparently you made a massive fuss about it. I don't use mesons often outside of engineering. Seriously, I just asked the dude "where did you get the mesons". I thought the fucker stole mesons, I wasn't maki...

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The meson thing is pretty iffy but otherwise it doesn't sound like a great ban. Nothing else was against the rules if it happened the way you said it did. Half your notes are just "I don't really like this" guy as well. But you seem to get banned for borderline security stuff once a week ...

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Infact could this thread title get changed? I guess I can reuse it for a different complaint regarding refusing to provide information on the ban.

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Your notes are essentially all from Security, which is why you are only job banned from security roles. This is to give you some time to play other roles and cool off from security. Your conduct is laughable that you argued in supportbus for TWO DAYS STRAIGHT until a headmin threw up his hands and ...

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I was under the impression that in order for a ban to be applied you had to break server rules or for example toe it as per rule 1. What action in that round that I took was dickish or broke the server rules. I don't believe I was overly harsh or hard on anyone. I don't believe I was particularly sh...

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Understand this isn't hinged on any single incident that occurred in the round, this is the total of your terrible security practices as agreed upon by multiple admins. Okay, what practices during that round were terrible. Like please explain to me, for the record so I'm aware of how shit I actuall...

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So another point I had since I can't edit. With the station going to complete shit, no command staff to be heard of after multiple attempts at communication and the singularity going off to god knows where...Why is "Executing prisoners without chain of command" included? When you consider ...

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Saegrimr wrote:I didn't lock the thread you mong, I locked your posts so you stop editing them with new information after i've already replied to you.

I see, I just got the locked message when I tried to edit last time.

Jumped the gun.

My bad on that front.

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https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4232&view=unread#unread Thread got locked, significant amount of what Saeg based the ban off was proven to be entirely false and a gross misrepresentation of the actual events of the round. This is honestly bullshit. I get banned from IRC and...

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Oh yeah, funny thing about that bold edit you made at the top. I didn't "pre-emptively ban you from supportbus" <MrStonedOne> .akick add Tornadium Please take it to ban appeals. You have a habit of drowning things on forever in #supportbus until the admin or headmin relents out of annoyan...

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Had the roles been reversed and I'd slipped on the soap I was dead. Correct. That's why you, as the detective, shouldn't bother with nerds in perma. Or better yet, since you had two of the tools necessary to take them down.. SHUT THE DOOR AND LEAVE. He's already in perma, what the hell else do you ...

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Uh, Don't .32 or whatever the default is for the detective revolver do around 15 damage? I was under the impression that .357 does significantly more. Must have been buffed from the original 5 they did, either way you kept it up until he was dead so the actual bullet itself doesn't matter. Beating ...

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Whether they're "lethal" or not is semantics, the gun hurts badly with .38 bullets. It does 15 brute if I'm not mistaken. It is semantics because I don't deny that I indeed intended to kill Scones in the permabrig. I know that'll get turned into "oh you went into the brig with the in...

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I shouldn't even comment about this but its too fucking golden. Are you also aware gullible isn't listed in the dictionary? You're complaining because I thought better safe than sorry and checked? I didn't have lethal bullets, I had a speedloader of .357 that wasn't used the entire round. I didn't ...

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If you're really going to accuse me of metacommunicating because I caught 3 traitors in one round you really need to actually review what happened in the round. I was not the one who placed that note, appeal to our server host about it which I fully expect you to do after you get shot down by the h...

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This ban should've been done under rule 1 a long time ago God forbid I do my job as security. I didn't do anything dickish in the round in question. Every arrest I made was perfectly justified, I didn't go valid hunting either. I was the first responder to an incident that was called out over the f...

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He never got around to actually explaining the "Shitcurity at it's finest" considering the officers in the round commended me on my good work. I'd also like to point out that at no point in that round was I "valid hunting". I caught three antags, two purely by chance because I w...

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So, As I'm talking to Saeg turns out I'm getting a ban of somekind so may as well start writing an appeal early. Something to do with metagaming as security because I asked someone where they got a pair of mesons and stopping someone stealing a pair of mag boots? As well as executing someone who tri...

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Why not try to improve meta instead of just giving up and going back to box AGAIN? Whoever designs it can do that themselves and convince everyone that it's a flat out improvement on Box, THEN we can talk about making 50%+ rounds on Meta. This poll doesn't account for the magnitude of beliefs too. ...

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Outside of the tcoms argument, just about every concern Amelius has raised is how box was 1 or 2 years ago. So? Box was improved over that timeperiod. Why should we downgrade to an inferior map with the exact same problems we had in the past, just so that we can wait 2 years to fix all the problems...

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I love jeff, he's fucking shit at chiv though.

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ColonicAcid wrote:yo that would be cool as shit.

>inb4 i become Black Legion's remnants biggest fucking target
lmao

I have plenty of characters to burn, trust me.

My super character isn't even subbed ayyyy.

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now the attitude is middling at best with some liking it but most having a mix of likes/dislikes. A lot of people want to play something other than box, A LOT of people. As in enough that it gets overwhelming votes to play on meta. I cast my vote for lobby poll, I know that meta gets votes. Even I ...

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Oldman Robustin wrote:
now the attitude is middling at best with some liking it but most having a mix of likes/dislikes.

A lot of people want to play something other than box, A LOT of people. As in enough that it gets overwhelming votes to play on meta.

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ColonicAcid wrote:Funnel all their funds to me and I'll keep them no questions asked.

I can take 14 fitted dreads and about 30 fitted triage carriers.

You can have the liquid isk from the assets if you want.

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Bumping for any other feedback.

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imblyings wrote:I can think of a few incidents this past week where people have ahelped being perma'd or gulag'd for fucking with sec and the admin response has been some variant of 'deal with it'.

You can stop playing the victim now.

I'll admit the last few weeks have been better.

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Except last time we did a long term map swap everyone went back to the server with Box, irrespective if the server's name was sybil or basil. Citation? I remember when we swapped and it was due to the metafriend shit migrating that caused people to swap servers. Regardless a significant portion of ...

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Box has been run on basil and Meta on sybil, and there was no difference in population. People play on Sybil because it's higher pop, not the map. Actually a long time ago this all happened before and while it initially looked a bit like that eventually everything normalized and the server running ...

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Who wants me to yank half of BLs Capital Reserve hanger.

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We only added anti-greytide rules to offset the restrictions security got. As in, security was held to a much higher standard, but players were expected to not give them shit on top of that. If we're leveling the playing field here in terms of restrictions neither party needs as much admin protecti...

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I played Meta some more. The biggest reason I dislike it is that it feels like there's way too many resources. There's no scarcity, hell, there's even a public autolathe. Eugh. It's an entirely different style of play from Box, We NEED more of this. Also, We had a pretty overwhelming choice for Met...

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Scones wrote:
Incoming wrote:Or we could just have a server that always runs box and one that shuffles between.
This is the best idea

So box on basil, shuffle on sybil.

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