/tg/Station 13

The idea that Silicons shouldn't follow a kill order throws a wrench into the one-human board. If an AI can't follow a kill order when there are thirty humans on the station, why does that change when there is only one human? Is the AI supposed to assume that the one-human law means it's an antag an...

Sci-fi setting issues aside, both paralyzing glare and a nigh-untreatable disease that can cause constant toxin damage just scream anti-fun for the crew. Ideally, antags should strive to be just as fun to fight as they are to play.

We have a culture of people just helping others for the hell of it. Throwing up vendors for departments doesn't work because no one will bother to stock them when the money is useless, and the money is useless because no one bothers to charge for anything. It's a circle you can't break just by givin...

We do already have the ability to yell in the form of exclamation marks. It bolds the text after two, I believe.

The borg was never an antag from the start. The law zero isn't what makes AI antag. The AI gets a big text notification and a sound effect like any normal traitor gets, and that is what makes them antag. The law 0 is essentially just a way for other players (and ghosts) to know the AI is malf. The b...

Escape closes the chat popup, so just use that if you need to move in a hurry.

Traitor borg is specifically not a thing (outside admin memes). Borgs slaved to a malf AI are to do as they are told, but should not be randomly murdering if they do not have a synced AI. “Accomplish your AI's objectives at any cost” is not a license to murderbone unless your AI orders it. The borgs...

Hacked is fun if you're into programming.

Of all the possible nerfs that people want to bring to borgs, this one is rather inconsequential and really shouldn't be the hill to die on. Yeah, rushing and buckling people only to spin them into a wall for the stun was funny, (and I do hold that it was easy to defend against once you were aware),...

Being mindshielded does NOT mean that a person isn't antag, unless it's a roundstart mindshield. While it does something against revs and prevents future cult conversion, mindshielding does not make someone instantly loyal, unlike borging. Therefore, Changelings, Traitors, blood brothers, and so on...

make the engineering borg circuit apparatus also hold proximity sensors and stock parts, sometimes you dont have an rped. Making one upgrade do the job of another is a silly idea. Sometimes you don't have an RPED but that's just how it goes. The mediborg apparatus should be used to pick up and use/...

The AI camera issue was reported and addressed in a fix PR already.

I'd certainly appreciate the robo job icon not being nearly unrecognizable again.

Call the shuttle. Hulk is basically all access to anyone that gets it, with the added benefit that you can delete walls just to piss people off even if you didn't want to break in. Once it's out in the open, the round is over. Otherwise, I guess tell the person to disable their headset and beat them...

Oh yeah, mecha thrusters is something I was planning on PRing eventually, thanks for the reminder. It would take an equipment slot and so probably wouldn't be a big deal. I dunno about the speed boost, though. Currently, what little identity each mech model has is greatly influenced by their set spe...

Get angry all you want, but I know people that pronounce USB as "oosub".

Anyway, "gee-you-eye" is made of a few sounds that don't really roll together. "Gooey" rolls through the word, and is a whole syllable shorter.

I vote for Updated Window Utility. Or maybe Optimized Window Object.

Otherwise, I like Yet Another TGUI.

Borgs also lose the flexibility of hands, and cannot pick up or use most objects. The modules come with tools, but you can't easily multitask like a human can. Trying to compare them to augmented humans just because some surgery and metal parts are involved doesn't work so well. Augmenting is powerf...

Roboticists are always willing to aug you. It's a boring job if nobody asks for surgery and nobody is signing up for posi brains. Auging surgery is easy but tedious, and I will tell the person to go to medical with a borg shell if any doctors are on station. I have other things to do than tie mysel...

Significantly reduce the passive production of points from the R&D servers, a fully upgraded server should still only be below current server production. Make R&D servers actually produce heat with options for releasing the safeties to allow for overclocking to double point gain at the cost...

I rather liked the old system of sapping power from the station's APCs, and if it was me re-adding clock, I'd like to keep that. I suppose before anything else happens, it's worth asking if people enjoyed most of what clock cult had to offer and see if we could overhaul it somehow (replace clock tow...

It can be re-added in later in a better state. I'm sad to see it cut from the code, but Respii is right, we'd be better off rebuilding it from the ground up.

I wonder if it would also be worthwhile to queue up law changes, so that they apply after a set amount of time has passed since the first change (say, 2 or 5 seconds). This would both make law spam not so very terrible, and also allow people to potentially make law changes without the AI ever being ...

We have a security team to deal with minor infringes of petty-theft and disruption of the peace.

Pretty big assumption, to be honest. It's really not that uncommon for sec to be empty, and I don't think I've ever seen them not understaffed.

I would rather just have assistants changed to visitors and have the AI's laws changed to only work for employees of nanotrasen. It would make things for shitter assistants harder, and give borgs leeway to end them for being shitlords. Having people you don't like being able to affect the station's...

"Humans can be assumed to know whether an action will harm them and that they will make educated decisions about whether they will be harmed if they have complete information about a situation." (Ai policy for aismov) ...Whooo boy, It's bold to assume that assistants arent going to yeet t...

So, to be clear. You're advocating that assistants lose maint access, in an attempt to cut down tiding, despite admitting it won't change anything, and knowing full well that if an assistant can break into the department door from maint then they can break into the maint door too, but it's still a g...

I was speaking in achat about this during the incident, and I'm sorta on the fence. On the one hand; • The laws clearly say that you should maintain secrecy about syndicate activity unless otherwise ordered, and openly plasma flooding violates that. Hence, the borg would be at fault. • The borg isn'...

I agree, Ash Walker invasions are what makes ash walkers fun and relevant at all. It's not even an all-out war half the time; I used to sneak onto the station, break into maint to find a mask and fire suit, and just skulk around looking for dead people. Sec caught me once for being suspicious and dr...

That said, either borg revheads should be properly given an antag law or be removed. I will personally consider them antags and law exempt until one of these things happen or a headmin rules otherwise. Borged antags in other situations (borged traitor, or cultist, or nuke op somehow) are not law ex...

I thought you were supposed to be totally blanked when you got borged, since it counts as being killed for antag objectives. This is definitely not intended behavior. If borged via MMI, you keep memories and also get to keep antag status. If as a traitor, you get borged and then later the laws are ...

I know you say "no code solutions please" but that sounds entirely like unintended behavior. Anyway, technically revs can win without spilling a single drop of blood by simply exporting the heads of staff to Lavaland, so it's not like an argument couldn't be made that the borg is hoping th...

You can buy a hacked law board, and there is a spare AI upload board in the tech secure storage. There are in-game ways to manage this objective, and that's the whole point of having antag objectives; using the in-game tools to your advantage. The only reason the SM Sliver and Plutonium Core objecti...

Is it really so hard to just subvert the AI and order it to allow you to card it?

Not a peanut post but pointing out de facto Admin policy: Traditionally admins have always flushed out revheads and heads on Rev rounds to make sure the game mode keeps going. I think personally in this case I would've just given revhead to other players unless the round was ongoing for a long whil...

Seems to me that a code solution preventing golems from being converted at all would be the ideal solution. If their master gets converted, they could just order the golem to help the team out anyway.

I think a better solution would be creating capacitor banks that can be connected to the grid to charge and then pulled like a gas canister to cargo to sell.

If we ever get to the point where we have a real PR to remove round-start cloning, pre-installed defibs on mediborgs would be a good idea.

I think this could be solved by simply ruling that any action which leaves all affected parties at a net positive or net neutral is not harmful. That is, even if an action causes harm, if the harmed individual is overall better off than before, it shouldn't be considered harm. If a borg is attemptin...

Counterpoint:
Nuke Ops is not fun, and War Ops is the only thing that makes it almost bearable.

Anyway, even admin event rounds don't allow players to ignore rules.

Rules as written, you're not supposed to suicide (or just silently DC) as a head of staff. It is oft repeated in this section of the forums that the spirit of the law is far more important than the letter of the law, to justify certain bans or notes that don't align 100% with what is literally writ...

Rules as written, you're not supposed to suicide (or just silently DC) as a head of staff. I understand the apprehension of having someone else run around with your name, but it's one of those "I don't make the rules" things, and is a conversation that belongs in a policy thread. I can't s...

Hello,

As requested by Wubli, your sec bans have been lifted. You're all set.

Should be a small_orders item. Then you could price them individually and they'd all show up in one box when you order a thousand.

I don't really agree with the android thing. Xeno already has golem shells that serve the same purpose, and the appeal of making robotics ghost roles is that they're not the same as normal crew.

Truth be told, the real annoying part of the constant venting is when the shit placed near airlocks just yeets out into space or clutters up the floor. You'd think NT would have solved this issue somehow.

Generally, sec officers cannot be round-start antags. There are few cases where this gets a bit complicated (antags getting a job-change to sec, lings taking the identity of sec, and so on), but generally you should never be killing an officer for doing their job. That being said, you are a new play...

Every time I've had a non-antag player ahelp about being killed due to incorrect information that would otherwise make them valid to the killer, I've ruled it as IC. Though, at that point I track down whoever laid the false info to start with, since if some other non-antag is framing random people i...

I suppose the wording could be cleared up. If silicons were required to prevent self harm, the AI would have to bolt mining shut ever shift and only let the non-humans through. There's a lot of dangerous shit on lavaland, after all. But it's fine, because we have a self-harm exception which allows s...

One of the ideas I pitched to Cobby was to remove the downsides from normal use, but keep them for overdose effects and set the OD limit super low. This would result in medics having to babysit the person they're healing to make sure the OD never happens, and give the doctors themselves reason to wa...

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