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Hoolny

okay im gona be honest I'm not even sure anymore where anything stands I didnt even know emmaged borgs counted for rule 4

Hoolny

Main difference emmaged borg dont have law 4 Nukie borgs have law 4 Emmaged borgs have directive to directly follow orders and no laws for killing Yes they do have law 4: https://i.imgur.com/BIQ9GiV.png https://i.imgur.com/UAk9JCd.png Its the exact same lawset except emagged borgs have the law 0 ta...

Hoolny

Indie-ana Jones wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:04 pm Reading this makes me want to burst into flames.

I just learned yesterday that silicon policy has changed and some of the knowledge I have figured out is now corrupt

Hoolny

Didnt your laws specify that one specific person was the only syndicate agent Yes but in contrast with emmaged borgs I was a nuclear operative with rule 4 and previous set in mind and directives and bigger missions to follow much like a traitor put into a borg shell which I have a lot of experience...

Hoolny

Laws != orders. These are separate rules. My first point isn't about orders at all, I'm not sure where you're getting that. This is what silipol says If a law is vague enough that it can have multiple reasonable interpretations, it is considered ambiguous. You must choose and stick to an interpreta...

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The thing is that there is NO policy about this nowhere does it say when someone asks your laws that you need to state ALL of them thats a simple assumption you are making. You're why silicon policy had to be a massive wall of text. No im the consequences of silicon policy being a massive wall of t...

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It's like someone put up a rules sign in the store saying intentionally stealing is allowed but then there was actually a secret rulebook in the back saying stealing is not allowed. Silicon policy says that reasonable interpretations of your laws are allowed. If your interpretation leads to stupid ...

Hoolny

It is ass we all know its ass it has been ass since silicons were a thing and it will continue to be ass until the sun implodes

At this point just remove it and let borgs act strictly per their laws and game rules if they are antags or not

Hoolny

This thread is so funny. It's like accidentally stealing something from a store and trying to argue to the judge that actually you stealing it was 100% legal because of some weird ass logic you made up. Damn you vekter you did not let me make that my last post. I was not arguing against the admin I...

Hoolny

This is why you don't post in your own peanut. This shit is fucking incoherent at this point, like what are you trying to say? Can you sum it up in ONE paragraph that is not over 150 words. FIne my last post here: "If a law is vague enough that it can have multiple reasonable interpretations, ...

Hoolny

Okay then which one should we go by? your opinion or mine? or maybe we should wait for the policy to be ratified before we start banning people for things NOT STATED IN THE RULES I'd suggest you go by mine and pretty much everyone else's since you managed to find yourself here and I didn't. doing t...

Hoolny

I don't understand where you're coming from anymore. "State laws" isn't "state some laws" or "state half your laws". It's "state laws". You're supposed to state all of them. That's it. Why are we talking about heretics now? wtf Im coming from the fact that as...

Hoolny

Okay no fuck this look at silicon policy "If a law is vague enough that it can have multiple reasonable interpretations, it is considered ambiguous. You must choose and stick to an interpretation of the ambiguous law as soon as you have cause to. You may exploit any loopholes in your laws."...

Hoolny

The thing is that there is NO policy about this nowhere does it say when someone asks your laws that you need to state ALL of them thats a simple assumption you are making. My point is that I and any future borgs that do this are perfectly following their laws by doing exactly what I did You're mak...

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They did not tell me to state ALL my laws If you need an example of acting in bad faith, this is it, really. My borg even had more than enough reason to act this way I had just come into the station then alec petrov asked me to take a selfie the fucking flash of the selfie TOOK DOWN MY DISGUISE whi...

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They did not tell me to state ALL my laws If you need an example of acting in bad faith, this is it, really. I'm an antag do you think the fucking heretic ascending as a flesh worm and killing everyone is playing in good faith????? Then we would be banning every antag execceding any kind of dickish...

Hoolny

They did not tell me to state ALL my laws If you need an example of acting in bad faith, this is it, really. I'm an antag do you think the fucking heretic ascending as a flesh worm and killing everyone is playing in good faith????? Then we would be banning every antag execceding any kind of dickish...

Hoolny

You could write a Tolkien Novel with the amount of arguing going on here fr. Just don't be a dick when you play silicon, I know that's a really high bar for tg players but cmon I'm a nuclear borg operative that wants to blow up nanotrasen and hates fucking NT employes MY ROLE is being a dick I'm an...

Hoolny

So many words for what boils down to "try to follow your laws". Hoolny treated them more as suggestions once again, FAFO'd. Them being banned from Silicones is for their own good honestly. You are not actually looking at the thing itself you are assuming past behavior and trying to connec...

Hoolny

So many words for what boils down to "try to follow your laws". Hoolny treated them more as suggestions once again, FAFO'd. Them being banned from Silicones is for their own good honestly. You are not actually looking at the thing itself you are assuming past behavior and trying to connec...

Hoolny

Perma bans aren't perma, it's just an extended break. Take the L, wait a few months, appeal it with good behavior. What are the downsides of fitting for what you think is fair in your situation? refraining from the banning admin from reading an argument by someone In one instance I can say "Al...

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Vekter wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:14 pm How hard is it to just say "I fucked up, I won't do it again?". Local human completely incapable of taking the L.

And what let myself get perma banned of silicon when I believe I was playing within the rules?

Hoolny

It has been way to tiring for me to think I'm interpreting silicon policy perfectly to finally get it right and then for it to be changed to be more vague I want to note out so it dosen't put me in a bad situation since I was recently perma banned and I don't want that note to be used against me I'm...

Hoolny

This is an entire IC issue that could have easily been solved within the round itself but the banning admin decided it was a good idea to take a discord conversation as enough evidence to make a judgment without even informing the banned person of it during most of the process

Hoolny

If I hadn't stated those laws there wouldn't have been any actual difference the reason I didn't state them was because they were set to No and they didn't state and I didn't feel like I had to state them anyways so I didn't. Please stop digging yourself in deeper. You're claiming that you just did...

Hoolny

to be clear the reason the ban appeal was locked is so that you would stop wasting people's time arguing with people who weren't involved in the ban about it, not so that you would go do it somewhere else and yet here you are and GPeckman also isn't smart enough to realise that he's wasting his own...

Hoolny

I'm personally of the mindset that there's no "good faith" reason to not state all of your laws unless your laws explicitly give you a reason not to do so. Seth could have refused to state his laws under the concern that the non-Syndicate operatives nearby might hear, or if he'd made an h...

Hoolny

If you need to triple post a dozen paragraphs to justify not stating your laws, you might as well have stated your laws then and/or take the L now. I could have shorten it but the ban wasetn even about me not stating my laws the ban was about me acting in "bad faith" Also, I can explain w...

Hoolny

They had to wait a whole 1 or 2 rounds can't remember to apply the ban without even making me aware of it, instead of talking it out within the game while it was happening and telling me as I was doing things so I could have reversed my actions in the case I was truly in the wrong to make things rig...

Hoolny

Not to mention If I had stated all my laws there wouldn't even have had a significant difference they would have still letted me out and I would still have been able to do the exact same thing I did before. Also why is everyone ignoring the fact I was never bwoinked and the text was taken not from a...

Hoolny

I'm personally of the mindset that there's no "good faith" reason to not state all of your laws unless your laws explicitly give you a reason not to do so. Seth could have refused to state his laws under the concern that the non-Syndicate operatives nearby might hear, or if he'd made an h...

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Jacquerel wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:13 pm great all the peanut posting in the appeal has made seth think that its cool to post in his own peanut

I'm a bit confused I thought this was the peanut post for the actual appeal can I not type here?

I got a notification from here so I just typed in response

Hoolny

There is no policy precedent nor direct wording that silicons can't actively avoid orders, they just have to follow them when successfully given orders. If a borg runs out of robotics before you give them an order, that's a skill issue. If we assume "You must follow orders" to have the ba...

Hoolny

So many words for what boils down to "try to follow your laws". Hoolny treated them more as suggestions once again, FAFO'd. Them being banned from Silicones is for their own good honestly. You are not actually looking at the thing itself you are assuming past behavior and trying to connec...

Hoolny

Sorry for my convoluted general ban appeal but I don't think you all even understand what the ban is about. The ban is about me being "bad faith" a rule 0 ban It's not about me not following my laws It's not about me not stating the laws that was a mere discord argument I was having with s...

Hoolny

"That counterargument only works if Hoolny can be considered an ex-antag in this case. They weren't a human antag who got forceborged. They were a nukie saboteur borg who died, had their laws changed, and then got revived." The policy isn't applied to being forced borg the policy is applie...

Hoolny

for extra context behind the previous knowledge that led to the reason behind my actions: https://i.imgur.com/W2lOib4.png https://i.imgur.com/3Qo5iTQ.png In both circumstance, I was a borg with an antag datum one being traitor other being nuke op In both situations, I worked within the confines of m...

Hoolny

I guess I have to argue that I was not playing in bad faith? I don't really fully know what that means, I was an antagonist their whole deal is being bad I was definitely not good for my laws supported the syndicate. If bad faiths means me being an asshole because I didn't wait for my orders to be g...

Hoolny

"Because your law says you have to follow their orders. Running away from them makes it so you cannot follow their orders, so you're actively avoiding your master's orders" What is this? Under no circumstances have I seen Borgs being obligated or having to do this they can if they want to ...

Hoolny

The banning admin didnt specify which actions where bad faith, if we seclude me not stating those laws which I did address what exactly stops me on anyway from running out of robotics within my laws? I'm just going to quote what an admin said on discord: Because your law says you have to follow the...

Hoolny

Honestly from the start this entire ban is kind of twisted it was based on me having a discord argument which I'm known to often be wrong, stupid, and unreliable in order to base a ban as if I was actually in an ahelp. I feel like its somewhat of bad faith to use the words of someone who is in a cas...

Hoolny

The banning admin didnt specify which actions where bad faith, if we seclude me not stating those laws which I did address what exactly stops me on anyway from running out of robotics within my laws? Keep in mind per previous rullings I am still very much an antagonist as before I was a full asmiov ...

Hoolny

BYOND account: Hoolny Character name: Fatura (dont remmeber the exact name )1 Ban type: Ban length: permanent Ban reason: Banned from Roles: AI, Cyborg permanently - Was subverted to a Robotics, played in bad faiths to come back into the round. His reasoning to not state laws was "it was so I w...

Hoolny

Recently and in other rounds people have heavily complained about ghosts going out of their way to rating out antags to get them killed.

As far as I can this isnt against the rules and I just want to make sure there is no possibility of me or someone else being banned for doing this

Hoolny

Maybe I'm misreading your post, but if the fugitive attacked the sec officer with a spear, that's assault of an officer, which is a major crime. That's still not really worth a round removal, IMO. The thing was the moth officer tried to arrest the fugitive out of the blue and the fugitive responded...

Hoolny

What a stupid thread. Just try to RP instead of looking for any technicalities to round remove, and you won't get into issues. I think the whole idea of valid status is kinda dumb. The prisoner was extremely aggressive, so putting them in isolation might be possible. If someone fail RPs, ahelp them...

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I am presented with a dilemma that I can't find an answer to that has to do with Fugitives validity according to escalation policy. In a Recent Round, ID 209420 A Fugitive by the name of Kevin Hooker came into the station. They went into the HoP office, grabbed the locker, pulled it out into the hal...

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From the man himself we are just that fucked its over people at 9:11 of all times horrible catastrophes.

Hoolny

pirate eyepatch, black gloves, black trenchcoat

medical eyepatch, white gloves, white trenchcoat

Hoolny

Give me valids for 1000 THOUSAND

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