Detective Antag Poll

[PKPenguin321]

Into voting

[Super Aggro Crag]

bring back tatersec

[Steelpoint]

If you really want a indicative poll your better off asking for a in game poll.

[onleavedontatme]

If you really want a indicative poll your better off asking for a in game poll.

[PKPenguin321]

If you really want a indicative poll your better off asking for a in game poll.

tfw you're not an admin

but yeah i could have asked but whatever

[Luke Cox]

Positive. Detectives should be fully separated from security.

[PKPenguin321]

oh yeah and i should also note that i put the "it has not affected my experience" option to help show how much bikeshedding is going on here. this isn't that grand of a change despite "muh inconsistency." it's not as devastating as steelpoint some people may think.

[Pilgrim]

Let's be real here, the amount of interaction the average player has with the detective and the minimal chances of him being a traitor mean that most people should be answering that they haven't been affected at all.


I've been playing detective since the days when security could still be antag and I'll say that I haven't been treated differently. However, I also play maturely as an antag and do not murderbone -- all I do is behave like more of a loose cannon than usual.

In my opinion the reason antag sec was removed was because at the time the climate of /tg/ was a lot more hostile at the time... what I've noticed upon my return from a couple years of absence is that the community is a lot friendlier now. I've noticed far less griefers, people don't tend to complain too much about dying, and even on the forums people seem to be getting along nicely. In the past there was a lot of aggressiveness in the playerbase and I feel that sec antag was blamed for it.

Really, sec antag was never that bad in the first place, speaking as a longtime sec player. If they didn't play smart and stealthily they'd get robusted pretty easily -- they come into constant contact with other security, command staff, and assistants willing to kick their shit in at the first sign of shitcurity. Murderboners got dogpiled and tazed, assholes got found out and brigged by the rest of sec, and the ones who stunned and dragged people into maint wouldn't get away with it if their name was called out in public.

[Cobby]

I chose the third option since Det-tags haven't been a real issue, but I didn't take into the fact I've played Detraitor and have seen it through observing. While none of these affected my experience [because I typically play Det if I play Sec at all], I think it's STUPIDLY easy to get whatever you need done as Detraitor.

I'm still a big fan of him losing his implant or just reverting it. It's about as easy as HoP antag, and he doesn't start with the 'friendship beacon'.

[Zilenan91]

He should have his sec headset, brig access, and implant removed

[Redblaze3000]

He should have his sec headset, brig access, and implant removed

"He should not be part of sec."

[Pilgrim]

Considering how often the detective is the only security member on the server, you'd be doing more harm than good in total. Additionally, you'd be damaging security's ability to investigate crime. A detective outside of sec will just mean players will roll him in order to get the free gun and trench coat... the only reason the job isn't swamped by powergaming grey tide is because he's obliged to help sec.

[Gamarr]

This is awful. My own experiences with detectives has been them being constantly traitor (but I am a shit magnet too... ), and with sec blatantly ignoring everything they do to the point I have to stand there and lay out things like speaking to a child to get them to understand and do something about it. Which does sometimes happen, slowly, and I have seen the antag-detective put away but its hilariously rare and difficult to get sec to even give their own people a glance, the detective even more so. Remember that 'destroying trust in sec' thing? That's a very real part, and it's going right out the bloody window.

Edit: I'd like to point out however that every single interaction with the detantag since implementation has been him being traitor, because fuck my luck, and having them do things like wordlessly arrest, beat, and throw me in a cell for ten minutes without the brig (which was fully staffed) caring. Luckily the cells are not enclosed and I was able to shout until something actually happened, after 20 continuous minutes being in handcuffs/a cell, without a headset. This underscores why detantag is bad, and why sec antags were removed in that the brig is content to let itself go to shit with them in their ranks, and while I am somewhat fond of SECURITY antags, their removal also had a good logic and the sudden reversal to detantag fucks everything all up and not in a good way.

[Wyzack]

You do not need to be an antagonist to be a loose canon who doesnt play by the rules. Just the other day i had some engineer cussing me out for not doing things by the book. Happiest moment of my Detective life

[Malkevin]

You do not need to be an antagonist to be a loose canon who doesnt play by the rules. Just the other day i had some engineer cussing me out for not doing things by the book. Happiest moment of my Detective life

Pls pst stery in relevent thrad.

[Zilenan91]

I'm pretty sure you can ahelp if an antag locks you in a room for 20 minutes where you can't do anything because that's beyond shitty at that point no matter what.

[Malkevin]

I'm pretty sure you can ahelp if an antag locks you in a room for 20 minutes where you can't do anything because that's beyond shitty at that point no matter what.

Uhhh.... no. Thats when you suicide or use the ghost command.

There used to be a really old rule that you couldn't shove an ai into an intellicard then throw the card out the airlock, or do the same to a brain/mmi because they were literally fucked as they couldn't suicide, the ghost command didnt exist, and if they ended up on the constantly looping z level they wouldn't ever stop and admin wouldn't be able to delete them.

[Zilenan91]

If the antag wants you to not be in the round anymore they can kill and gib/space you, not lock you in a room with no hope of doing anything but suiciding. It'd be easier for them to just murder you rather than capture you.

[PKPenguin321]

I'm pretty sure you can ahelp if an antag locks you in a room for 20 minutes where you can't do anything because that's beyond shitty at that point no matter what.

not how it works at all

[Wyzack]

You do not need to be an antagonist to be a loose canon who doesnt play by the rules. Just the other day i had some engineer cussing me out for not doing things by the book. Happiest moment of my Detective life

Pls pst stery in relevent thrad.

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