Peacekeeper Borgs

Incomptinence · Tue May 24, 2016 7:55 am

Bottom post of the previous page:

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Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue May 24, 2016 8:09 am #179562

I think he meant EVA.

Eh, the borgs seem like a lower quality version of the security borg. Except they scream HARM.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Tue May 24, 2016 8:43 am #179565

Steelpoint wrote:I think he meant EVA.

Eh, the borgs seem like a lower quality version of the security borg. Except they scream HARM.

That's kind of the point

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Tue May 24, 2016 2:14 pm #179606

It's interesting to note that even with the current test removal of the inaction clause people still play peacekeeper borg. I guess this pretty much confirms that it's mainly played for his validhunting features, since the inaction clause removal should otherwise make it utterly useless

GeeElAge · Post by **GeeElAge** » Tue May 24, 2016 2:24 pm #179610

Grazyn wrote:It's interesting to note that even with the current test removal of the inaction clause people still play peacekeeper borg. I guess this pretty much confirms that it's mainly played for his validhunting features, since the inaction clause removal should otherwise make it utterly useless

Or maybe it's a new feature that not everyone has been able to play around with a lot.

WarbossLincoln · Tue May 24, 2016 3:22 pm

The borg seems to be fairly good in its intended role. I could slow people down and be annoying, but not really take anyone down. They're bad as a rogue borg, which is good. An army of unstoppable sec borgs ruined many a round. Last night we got subverted and made into gang members. When fighting a rival gang it became pretty apparent that they only thing a peacekeeper borg can really do to permanently solve a problem is fight with a fire extinguisher while screaming harm. I managed to destroy a rival dominator once because of unrobust gangsters. We ran in circles around the dom and atmos machines while they shot at me, hitting their own stuff half the time due to the benny hill routine. Then they put up another dominator and they had their A-Team there this time. I didn't stand a chance against a guy with a fire axe and a guy with a gun who could aim.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Wed May 25, 2016 12:09 am #179866

Luke Cox wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:Everybody should spawn as quadriplegics. Hands can be used to hold items that can stun, and legs let them chase after people. If people can use potentially harmful items they'll just validhunt everyone.
strawman overload

i just cant fathom how you can think this is a good argument
i cant even argue with you because it's like shouting at a retarded 2 year old, you're too dense to understand what i'm saying, nevermind reading what i've written in the first place

The point is that every mob in the game can valid people if they really try, and thus it's a policy issue.

Are you actually fucking serious right now

Ezel · Post by **Ezel** » Wed May 25, 2016 12:46 am #179884

Oh noes im robust cuck who cant kill a borg!!!

Cheridan · Post by **Cheridan** » Wed May 25, 2016 1:53 am #179909

swarmers can't valid people

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Wed May 25, 2016 1:54 am #179910

Killing people as a Swarmer is easy, just use one of the billion exploits and disabler people forever if they walk near the breaches.

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Wed May 25, 2016 2:51 am #179931

Still requires an existing hazard. Lock a sawrmer in a room with someone and there is no earthly way the Swarmer can harm them.

Plus as soon as someone has Hulk you can just laugh at the tiny robots as they uselessly try to disable you

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Wed May 25, 2016 2:54 am #179932

Then they place down a wall and laugh at you as they ventcrawl away since you can't punch their walls down with your bare hands

confused rock · Mon May 30, 2016 3:08 pm

>cult
>captain is lasering them and the hos is shooting them with lethal buckshot
>"peacekeeper" borg (asimov) shoots energy bolas at the cultists, stopping them from dodging the lasers and buckshot
wow I sure love grieferborgs who love bolaing everyone for no reason look at how peaceful they are

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Mon May 30, 2016 3:20 pm #182041

The unloved rock wrote:>cult
>captain is lasering them and the hos is shooting them with lethal buckshot
>"peacekeeper" borg (asimov) shoots energy bolas at the cultists, stopping them from dodging the lasers and buckshot
wow I sure love grieferborgs who love bolaing everyone for no reason look at how peaceful they are

To be fair that situation was such a clusterfuck that I don't think the borg could have changed anything.

One borg versus the entire Security force, who are curb stomping the Cultists, is not going to end well. Not to mention the borg was on the wrong side of the fight (behind a glass wall) for most of it.

Cik · Post by **Cik** » Mon May 30, 2016 5:17 pm #182072

The unloved rock wrote:>cult
>captain is lasering them and the hos is shooting them with lethal buckshot
>"peacekeeper" borg (asimov) shoots energy bolas at the cultists, stopping them from dodging the lasers and buckshot
wow I sure love grieferborgs who love bolaing everyone for no reason look at how peaceful they are

>cult had corraled themselves behind two forcewalls and were kettled there
>the constructs keep trying to space people so i'm trying to retrieve them
>they keep shooting me so i keep bolaing them so they'd stop trying to shoot people
>can't really run away with the cultists because they've corraled themselves and to get them away i'd have to drag them through space which i can't do because sillicon policy
>can't really bodyblock the shot because it's a spray weapon and the fighting is so close there's no room to do it
>can't stop sec because no disablers/batons because i'm not a secborg
>cultists still salty even though many of them probably were for removing the tools for the game that would allow me to do anything

okay.jpg

yackemflam · Post by **yackemflam** » Mon May 30, 2016 5:25 pm #182074

Cik wrote:
The unloved rock wrote:>cult
>captain is lasering them and the hos is shooting them with lethal buckshot
>"peacekeeper" borg (asimov) shoots energy bolas at the cultists, stopping them from dodging the lasers and buckshot
wow I sure love grieferborgs who love bolaing everyone for no reason look at how peaceful they are
>cult had corraled themselves behind two forcewalls and were kettled there
>the constructs keep trying to space people so i'm trying to retrieve them
>they keep shooting me so i keep bolaing them so they'd stop trying to shoot people
>can't really run away with the cultists because they've corraled themselves and to get them away i'd have to drag them through space which i can't do because sillicon policy
>can't really bodyblock the shot because it's a spray weapon and the fighting is so close there's no room to do it
>can't stop sec because no disablers/batons because i'm not a secborg
>cultists still salty even though many of them probably were for removing the tools for the game that would allow me to do anything

okay.jpg

Did you, at all, do ANYTHING to try to stop sec?

Cik · Post by **Cik** » Mon May 30, 2016 5:28 pm #182076

i tried to save the captain & friends who kept getting spaced by constructs, and the cultists who kept getting spaced by the wind.

what exactly would you like me to do?

they are immune to all my weapons. i probably bolaed a few of them in the chaos, not like it fucking matters because the fighting is so close in what is essentially a fucking kettled 2-tile hallway. even if i were a secborg i probably still couldn't save them.

PK as a platform for opposing sec essentially does not exist. you have nothing that can stop a man with a gun. you can barely stop a greyshirt with a fire extinguisher.

they wanted to make a stand in a tiny, poorly defended space against sec with lethals and they got fucked. there's nothing i can do about it.

Ezel · Post by **Ezel** » Mon May 30, 2016 7:11 pm #182104

Serviceborg 2.0

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Mon May 30, 2016 10:04 pm #182155

Wow guys Peacekeeper Cyborgs surely are Security Cyborgs 2.0 and will ruin everything 5ever.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Mon May 30, 2016 10:16 pm #182159

They seem like they actively make the round worse for people so yeah they basically are.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Mon May 30, 2016 10:31 pm #182169

Zilenan91 wrote:They seem like they actively make the round worse for people so yeah they basically are.

This

Ezel · Post by **Ezel** » Mon May 30, 2016 11:05 pm #182188

Zilenan91 wrote:They seem like they actively make the round worse for people so yeah they basically are.

Every borg can do that

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Mon May 30, 2016 11:25 pm #182199

Not really. No other borg has the potential to be as intrusive and shitty as peacekeepers are. Their only purpose is to butt in to things and actively make things more boring by not allowing anything to happen. Also their sprites are horrible. They're literally secborgs but less effective and more offensive because they're just trying to skirt around the issue of borgs being shit rather than actually fixing their problems.

Ezel · Post by **Ezel** » Mon May 30, 2016 11:27 pm #182202

Hey look im engineer borg i can wall shit of and make you stuck m8

Incomptinence · Tue May 31, 2016 12:33 am

Precious memories of engineering borgs walling up armoury and brig on top of the boltings because muh harmu.

Cik · Post by **Cik** » Tue May 31, 2016 4:24 am #182300

Zilenan91 wrote:They seem like they actively make the round worse for people so yeah they basically are.

oh look unopposed murderboners are interesting guise

those security gu ys / assistants with spears/the captain/the HOP make the round less interesting for me when they try to stop me from killing everyone

muh antag is the stupidest shit

remove security gets in the way of antags 2016

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue May 31, 2016 4:28 am #182303

Peackeeper borgs are just as obnoxious as Security Borgs are.

Their bolas can be just as lethal in many circumstances.

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Tue May 31, 2016 5:26 am #182319

I told you so.

Cik · Post by **Cik** » Tue May 31, 2016 7:52 am #182359

Steelpoint wrote:Peackeeper borgs are just as obnoxious as Security Borgs are.

Their bolas can be just as lethal in many circumstances.

in one specific circumstance which is "there's a fucking guy with a revolver shooting at you" maybe

in all other circumstances they're totally harmless.

Incomptinence · Tue May 31, 2016 9:03 pm

Well maybe if cavemen were not rushing into melee borg be damned for the sweet sweet valids the bolas could be saving lives.

Post by **oranges** » Tue May 31, 2016 11:08 pm #182539

remove bolas, got it

Post by **oranges** » Tue May 31, 2016 11:18 pm #182544

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/18111

Incomptinence · Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:51 pm

It's not even a stun, it's not even damage, it's not even cuffs.

Might as well demand you get god mode at this point oranges how unfathomably weak can you be?

Ezel · Post by **Ezel** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:01 pm #182772

Removing bolas just turns into a shittier version of serviceborg
just give it uh how its called again
idk DRAGNET? with the riot control shitteroo

ShadowDimentio · Thu Jun 02, 2016 6:40 am

The hugborg is too good it dunked me once in the several weeks since it's return so now I hate it thank you Oranghas for assisting in their removal but this still isn't enough we need to remove players too because players always dunk me and I hate them coders please help

Post by **oranges** » Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:22 pm #184742

Nope they're pretty much at the perfect point of cuckage for ex securityborg players, so they'll stay like that.

cocothegogo · Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:26 pm

i think we should ban cyborg players

confused rock · Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:30 pm

cocothegogo wrote:i think we should ban cyborg players

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:25 am #184828

Who the fuck thought that removing bolas was a good idea?

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:27 am #184830

WOW IT'S ALMOST LIKE I FUCKING TOLD YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN AS WELL AS SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:33 am #184834

reasonable people

Cik · Post by **Cik** » Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:42 am #184837

it's a pointless trap option to be honest

you can stop harm better with an engiborg's RCD or by spraying people with morphine.

i mean, peacekeeper can't even stop a fist fight. you can slow them down but if they just stand there wailing on each other you can't do shit about it.

likewise with gunfights; even before with the bola you could bola them and then they would just stand still and laser each other to death.

to be honest it's pretty cute but entirely worthless. to actually prevent harm it needs tools to either detain people or create walls/repulse people/block lasers (better than the standard borgs)

as it is i'd rather just take engiborg and RCD people inside a wall. it works better and is about as cute.

making it more protection-oriented would be cool. making it be able to spread itself to have a large hitbox for projectile blocking, the ability to grab people with a hug module, absorb/reflector shield etc.

in it's current state it's a paperweight that doesn't achieve anything besides get people to yell at you for not preventing harm when you're physically incapable of it. see that round where the cultists were super asshurt about me not preventing sec from murderizing them when they kettled themselves in arrivals against a sec force with fuckloads of shotguns and a hardsuited captain with a laser. hell, if i had secborg i might've been able to make a difference.

they still probably would have all died though. obviously though, it's all my fault.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Wed Jun 08, 2016 4:15 am #184845

You don't seem to get you aren't supposed to be able to make a difference. That a borg whose only purpose is to stop things from happening and make the game boring shouldn't exist.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed Jun 08, 2016 4:15 am #184846

I knew that this is a slippery slope and they're just gonna turn into secborgs again

People smarter than me said that this would happen and you didn't listen, and neither did the maintainers apparently, they found silicon players' bitching more annoying than the potential down-the-road threat of you guys trying to turn them into secborgs 2.0

Post by **oranges** » Wed Jun 08, 2016 5:18 am #184861

Cik wrote:to be honest it's pretty cute but entirely worthless.

Just as planned, it literally exists to poke fun at the security borg players.

Ezel · Post by **Ezel** » Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:37 pm #184975

Zilenan91 wrote:You don't seem to get you aren't supposed to be able to make a difference. That a borg whose only purpose is to stop things from happening and make the game boring shouldn't exist.

Remove standard borg baton

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:08 pm #184979

Zilenan91 wrote:You don't seem to get you aren't supposed to be able to make a difference. That a borg whose only purpose is to stop things from happening and make the game boring shouldn't exist.

Are you saying Security needs to be removed?

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:09 pm #184980

>it's a 'anti fun harm police silicons are the same thing as security' episode

Ezel · Post by **Ezel** » Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:34 pm #184983

Poeple are getting horny of a bolas wwhen a standard borg can stun you and bring you to brig

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:03 pm #184992

Normally reasonable people go full retard whenever Silicons are brought up

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:49 pm #184999

Because they're a full retard feature played by full retards as well as coded by full retards