Staff of healing from summon magic.

[Durkel]

Can we put a limit on how many of these are spawned? Watching six people run around reviving everyone really puts a damper on the chaos that summon magic is supposed to bring. Death becomes rather trivial when there are multiple people just waiting to bring you back to life.

[QuartzCrystal]

I kinda like it for exactly that reason. Shit hits the fan whenever this happens and having staves of healing and staves of resurrection make the round a fun, consistent, chaos for everyone. Plus it balances out the wizard if his objective is to kill a crew member, as instead of just assuming they'll probably die they now have to actively make sure his body is destroyed.

[cedarbridge]

Staves of healing actually give crew a reason NOT to just randomly kill eachother with summoned magic/guns. Its nice. Keep them as they are.

[Lo6a4evskiy]

No. It's great. It brings people into the round.

[Konork]

Chaos is not "oh my god everyone is dead", chaos is "oh my god what the fuck is happening". Having the staves of healing probably causes more chaos because they both make it harder to keep track of who all is dead or alive and because people are more willing to die (doing dumb shit) because they know someone's probably going to come along and zap their corpse, while removing them would just make Summon Magic cause murderboning near the beginning that tapers off as people die.

[Incomptinence]

It differentiates summon magic from summon guns. If you just want people to die summon guns is much better suited to that. I think summon magic makes more chaos anyway, and instant resurrection is extremely chaotic, potentially someone could use it on you*.

*if survivors weren't no fun gits

[LdShade]

A cap would be nice though.

[Raven776]

There doesn't need to be a cap. They're fun. If you're a 'zard and your job is to murder someone and you summon magic, you're doing it wrong. Or very, very right, actually.

Summon magic and summon guns are some of the least painfully annoying wizard spells. It's better than the quadrilianth MM fireball murderbone machine.

[cedarbridge]

There doesn't need to be a cap. They're fun. If you're a 'zard and your job is to murder someone and you summon magic, you're doing it wrong. Or very, very right, actually.

Summon magic and summon guns are some of the least painfully annoying wizard spells. It's better than the quadrilianth MM fireball murderbone machine.

I've honestly seen way more summonx4 or Mindswap Ops wizards than I've seen traditional MM/fireball wizards.

[Scott]

It's because the fireball sucks, holyshit. It hits a fly in front of you and you're down in flames.

[Cipher3]

It differentiates summon magic from summon guns. If you just want people to die summon guns is much better suited to that. I think summon magic makes more chaos anyway, and instant resurrection is extremely chaotic, potentially someone could use it on you*.

*if survivors weren't no fun gits

Had a round yesterday as survivor where I just used scrying orb and staff of healing to resurrect as many people as possible, leaving out a couple who were just being retarded.

[cedarbridge]

It's because the fireball sucks, holyshit. It hits a fly in front of you and you're down in flames.

git gudder

[Incoming]

The impermanence of death is a critical feature of summon magic and it pretty much has to be like that to keep things chaotic and interesting. It's the same reason why you can't turn into anything that doesn't leave a corpse from staff of change shots.

[Durkel]

I'm not asking for them to be removed, just limited. I'd suggest replacing the chance of a staff of healing with a staff of chaos on the selection list. That way you can still do your goodie two shoe shit and cause some actual chaos at the same time.

[cedarbridge]

I'm not asking for them to be removed, just limited. I'd suggest replacing the chance of a staff of healing with a staff of chaos on the selection list. That way you can still do your goodie two shoe shit and cause some actual chaos at the same time.

You're missing what everyone just said. Chaos != murdermaimkill

[Ezel]

Its the choose of the holder to be rude or friendly
Like spacing the staff cuz... Magic is awesome and should be mastered to kill eachother accidently in the process

[Reimoo]

Actually I think people killing each other just because they know they can be revived seconds later adds to the chaos.

More people alive = More chaos