The sec cap should have the same armor values as the beret

[Zilenan91]

It looks a lot better than the beret does imo and the winter coat already has the same armor values as regular armor, so the cap wouldn't be that much of a stretch.

[Shaps-cloud]

So help me God if this gets twisted around and the beret gets nerfed instead I'm going to riot

Also beret is way better looking than the baseball cap

[Zilenan91]

The beret is already worse than the helmet since headsets can be taken off through it, so that would be retarded.

[Wyzack]

Shaps pls. Magical armored hats are dumb. Berets are for the robust, if you want head protection wear your damn helmet like a tryhard

[Shaps-cloud]

The headset stripping thing is already enough of a downside for fashion

[Zilenan91]

Shaps is right, if he thinks the beret looks better he shouldn't be penalized for wearing it in sec of all jobs. Same for sec caps, I think they look a ton better than all the other sec garb.

[Lumbermancer]

Also beret is way better looking than the baseball cap

That's only until you flip the cap backwards.

[PKPenguin321]

It looks a lot better than the beret does imo and the winter coat already has the same armor values as regular armor, so the cap wouldn't be that much of a stretch.

the cap has better armor than the beret

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/obj/item/clothing/head/beret/sec
	name = "security beret"
	desc = "A robust beret with the security insignia emblazoned on it. Uses reinforced fabric to offer sufficent protection."
	icon_state = "beret_badge"
	armor = list(melee = 25, bullet = 15, laser = 25,energy = 10, bomb = 25, bio = 0, rad = 0)
	strip_delay = 60

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/obj/item/clothing/head/soft/sec
	name = "security cap"
	desc = "It's a robust baseball hat in tasteful red colour."
	icon_state = "secsoft"
	item_color = "sec"
	armor = list(melee = 30, bullet = 25, laser = 25, energy = 10, bomb = 0, bio = 0, rad = 0)
	strip_delay = 60

would you like me to buff the beret or nerf the cap
edit: fuck your opinion im buffing the beret
edit2: turns out the beret has the same armor as the standard helmet, so the cap was the superior headgear all along. ayy
i'll buff the helmet and the beret then unless somebody important tells me to just nerf the cap
edit3: i super lied, turns out the tier list goes 1. cap 2. helmet 3. beret. beret just straight sucks

edit4: https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/15299

[Zilenan91]

holy shit the cap had armor? I was lied to then.

[Steelpoint]

From my git comment.

You do know this means that sec headware is now stronger than sec armour vests? Hell this puts the helmets/hats on par with the HoS's uniform due to how low the defence values are.

I don't mind this change in the name of consistency (and fuck off with the "b-but its a hat no armour guys"), but this is still inconsistent with the base bode armour.

[Super Aggro Crag]

I always wore the cap to look less threatening and would swap to a helmet when bad things happened.

[Cheimon]

From my git comment.

You do know this means that sec headware is now stronger than sec armour vests? Hell this puts the helmets/hats on par with the HoS's uniform due to how low the defence values are.

I don't mind this change in the name of consistency (and fuck off with the "b-but its a hat no armour guys"), but this is still inconsistent with the base bode armour.

Let's revert the armour nerf, one piece of kit at a time. Who knows? Maybe we can make bulletproof vests good again next, and actually able to tank 6 revolver shots like they did back in the not-so-old days.

[Steelpoint]

My problem with armour is that unless your a special antag then any armour in the game is near worthless and capable of only protecting for maybe one or two attacks from a weaker weapon.

Of course some people, such as the author of that change, prefer armour to be that way instead of it actually being good for defence.

"b-b-but antags have weaker weapons and are less effective now days Steelpoint!". I would accept that if only for the fact that the SAME people who support nerfing armour to shit tier also rail against any significant buff's to antagonists lethality, at least many of the one's I've seen proposed in the last months.

[MMMiracles]

it's a cloth hat how does it protect as well as a military-grade helmet.

Also don't you fucking say nanoweave or some other shit cause that's just dumb.

[onleavedontatme]

>for maybe one or two attacks

I'll say it for the thousandth time: In a game where the gold standard of combat is a one hit takedown (stun baton), anything that lets you survive "one or two" extra attacks is very significant in terms of increasing your suitability.

>actually able to tank 6 revolver shots

This was exactly the problem. All it did was promote stuns above all else.


As to the OP I don't care either way, 5 resist isn't going to make or break anything.

[Atlanta-Ned]

Maybe just enjoy the game and stop worrying about armor values?