BZ gas

[Pilgrim]

DOES NOT HAVE THE OPTION TO BE FILTERED ON ATMOS AIR PANELS WHY



REEEEEE


literally impossible to remove unless you use a disruptive, slow panic siphon or a useless portable scrubber that can't be upgraded

[Saegrimr]

I still don't know who added this or why, its dumb on multiple fronts.

[lzimann]

DOES NOT HAVE THE OPTION TO BE FILTERED ON ATMOS AIR PANELS WHY



REEEEEE


literally impossible to remove unless you use a disruptive, slow panic siphon or a useless portable scrubber that can't be upgraded

i'll be working on this today/soon

I still don't know who added this or why, its dumb on multiple fronts.

it was bgobandit

[Cayce]

I've enjoyed using it a couple of times as chaplain, for religious ceremonies.

[paprika]

its weed

[J_Madison]

I still don't know who added this or why, its dumb on multiple fronts.

Yeah it's pretty fucking stupid. On par with adding Geiger counters.

It's just exclusively traitor shit. No other reason to have it. Doesn't fit the game theme at all either.

[Armhulen]

I still don't know who added this or why, its dumb on multiple fronts.

Yeah it's pretty fucking stupid. On par with adding Geiger counters.

It's just exclusively traitor shit. No other reason to have it. Doesn't fit the game theme at all either.

BZ isn't the only gas that isn't helpful in any way and really is just a traitor item but okay
for some reason I still kinda agree with you

[Cayce]

Earlier today I had a round where I got half an oxygen tank of it and half oxygen, and I traveled the station, offering spiritual enlightenment. Few accepted it, but it was fun.

The chaplain should have a small amount in a personal oxygen-tank in their locker on round start. Not enough to spread through an area, but enough to use in ritual.

[Pilgrim]

It should be removed from atmos entirely, absolutely no reason for it to be there.


I do think science should keep one stored in toxins, and an RD access-level canister that can be ordered from cargo. Its actual uses should be expanded as well, instead of just slime stasis.

[bandit]

I literally have no idea why it is not filterable because I have tested this multiple times on my machine and it works.

As far as atmos I have multiple of people telling me to add its own separate atmos tank and then people telling me to take it out of atmos, so basically nothing pleases anyone.

[Saegrimr]

Its not an option on air alarms, last I checked.

[lzimann]

Its not an option on air alarms, last I checked.

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/18192

It will be

[yackemflam]

It should be removed from atmos entirely, absolutely no reason for it to be there.


I do think science should keep one stored in toxins, and an RD access-level canister that can be ordered from cargo. Its actual uses should be expanded as well, instead of just slime stasis.

No reason for plasma to be in atmos either.

[lzimann]

No reason for plasma to be in atmos either.

You can use plasma to generate power in the turbine though

[yackemflam]

No reason for plasma to be in atmos either.

You can use plasma to generate power in the turbine though

>Implying anyone but like 2 people does that anymore.

[Takeguru]

I do that all the time as atmos as a side effect of me making cans of super hot gas for fun

[Pilgrim]

Yeah, I do it all the time tbh. A fully staffed atmos team will set it up if there's no situation that demands their attention or no autism projects or going on. The problem is that a lot of apathetic people sign up for atmos to take the hardsuit fire axe and be a general cunt throughout the station.

[Lumbermancer]

I still don't know who added this or why, its dumb on multiple fronts.

It's like with most things that get added here: someone had an idea, coded it, and put it in without consideration.

[bandit]

It's not a far-fetched idea -- many servers have or had this in the form of Agent B. (The coders did not want me adding this to our Agent B.) The considerations are and wer:

A) add more hazards on the station itself, rather than through traitor items or away missions/Lavaland
B) Add new forms of hazards; this one was easy in the sense that at least the underlying mechanic existed in the code already.
C) break meta, because previously whenever people started to hallucinate the only reason was lings, leading to a lot of shitty "I'VE BEEN HALLUCINATION STUNG THIS PERSON STOOD BY ME A FEW TILES AGO" metagaming

I plan to add the tank to atmos but real life has been kicking my ass lately and sorry but that takes precedence over adding new features to 2D spessmen. Anyone can do the same.

[Lumbermancer]

That makes some sense, but:

-it's already easy to die and get decapitated and shit
-people are already (rightfully so) complaining about average round length
-greytide is rampant and unchecked

[bandit]

Decapitation, gray tide and round length all have nothing to do with this.

[Lumbermancer]

Adding more shit to disrupt rounds only exacerbates existing issues.

[TechnoAlchemist]

Bz is extremely irrelevant and hardly lethal, anywhere where you could release BZ into the halls you'd be better off doing plasma.

[PKPenguin321]

pro tip: vent supercooled bz. the stamina damage from tripping balls + the slowdown from the cold + the damage from the cold = RIP

[Saegrimr]

Bz is extremely irrelevant and hardly lethal, anywhere where you could release BZ into the halls you'd be better off doing plasma.

Its also invisible, by the time you realize it you're already fucked.

[bandit]

Carbon dioxide -- whatever the fuck that is -- is also invisible. And unlike carbon dioxide, BZ doesn't even stunlock you. (It has a chance to stun, but unlike carbon dioxide, it doesn't do it permanently.)

[Saegrimr]

CO2 filters out fast, takes a sizeable amount displacing breathable oxygen (As long as theres 16kpa breathable somewhere), and gives you plenty of warning before you're in the "fucked" stage. Just putting on internals reverses it completely.

[bandit]

The respective "fucked" stages though are being stunlocked vs. seeing everyone as corgis, hallucinating Lord Singulo and maybe passing out once or twice. As for supercooled BZ if someone wants to go to that extra effort they should reap extra reward. Part of the job of the atmos tech (slash engineer) is to save people from environmental hazards like that, although with our playerbase it's become "Steal fire axe, go braindead"

[paprika]

Ah yes blame the playerbase for bad features, classic bandit

[PKPenguin321]

PS i tested supercooled BZ and there is not even close to enough BZ in atmos to do anything worthwhile so i lied venting supercooled BZ doesn't really do anything

[bandit]

That will change once the ''''''''''''''feature freeze''''''''''''''''' is over and I add a bz tank

[Anonmare]

Venting supercooled BZ gas is harder than venting N2O or plasma, you can supercool N2O but that's visible and gives people warning while CO2 is a meme gas. It at least gives more "tactical" options for atmos techs to use beyond just venting plasma, taking the suit and venting all the surplus air