ITT: we whine

[Laharl Monthy]

Bottom post of the previous page:

When you voluntarily give someone the nuke codes, you can't complain when they use them. It irritates me when admins will give out the nuke code to the captain or something than get angry at him when he sets off the nuke.

Now that's just silly.
When I give out the nuke code, I generally fully expect that the station has a chance to explode. Even when trouble is over. Nothing to get angry over, at least deadchat gets to play again.
Hell sometimes, when I feel that the real code isn't necessary (like when the clown somehow got hold of the main terminal), I give a false code, just to create a little panick. Because Honk.

[Vekter]

When you voluntarily give someone the nuke codes, you can't complain when they use them. It irritates me when admins will give out the nuke code to the captain or something than get angry at him when he sets off the nuke.

>Blob pops
>LEVEL 5 BIO HAZARD ABROAD THE STATION
>request nuke codes

Every. Fucking. Time.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Remember, if you don't want to detonate the nuke, just give them the nuke codes.

The default one

CENTCOMM ANNOUNCEMENT:

The nuclear code is: ADMIN.
Have a secure day and stop being pussies

[Bluespace]

The default code is LOLNO.
You can still set off the nuke but expect to be banned for exploiting.

[DemonFiren]

As discussed elsewhere: Default-set the nuke code to a random number each round, automatically, then ban whoever manages to arm the nuke. Also automatically.

[Miauw]

Everything is too well/overdesigned now when a lot of the charm of the game used to come from how unbalanced, unpredictable, and poorly thought out everything was, and how wrong everything would go because of it.

man yeah i sure loved being parapenned out of nowhere, that really was the unpredictability that made this game great.

E:
Or man, being parastung, dragged into maint and absorbed! those are moments I remember with glee, because they were so damn fun, right?

Everything is too well/overdesigned now when a lot of the charm of the game used to come from how unbalanced, unpredictable, and poorly thought out everything was, and how wrong everything would go because of it.

What does this really apply to, besides gas storage being in the toxins mixing room and "advanced robusting techniques" like tabling, quickchoking, and throwing people into walls over and over until they died? People say this kind of thing a lot but most of the time it comes off like Smash tourney guys whining that they can't wavedash in Brawl

Mostly map design, so many godamn R-walls and no fast way of dealing with them. Those "quality of life" upgrades for the AI/security.

I'm responsible for nerfing plenty of shit myself, so I'm part of the problem.

I miss being able to blow through a wall with an RCD (from the public lathe!) or spray acid in a mans face. There was a single unreinforced wall between you and the brig cells. The regular AI satellite is now a fortress with more security than all of Uterus station put together.

And yes I do miss ADVANCED ROBUST COMBAT like using water on floors or throwing out tables to block people. I also miss walking around naked in space drinking coffee.

Stuff like that. Nobody misses parapens (though I do miss silently putting C4 on people to fake GBS, even if it was awful)

im fairly sure acid is still OP af though, what with destroying everybody's gear easily.
and slipping people is still a thing, to the point where noslips are a part of the murderbone combo.

hacking doors isn't hard, you can still get into plenty of places, except without easy falsewalls (and there arent THAT much rwalls, although I agree that rwalling all of RD may be a bit extreme.) a big issue with SS13 is the omniscience of the AI, though.

Also, thermite is still a thing and i think it still works on rwalls, so you DO have a quick way of getting through them. (i basically only play janitor, librarian, atmos tech or borg nowadays, so forgive my ignorance)

The AI sattelite was a rather needed buff, because malf AIs would almost always lose back when it was in the middle of the bridge. I've seen it happen many, many times. Somebody would thermite into the core and then everybody would just uncomfortably stand in the meeting room and push girders into the AI core to dodge the lasers. (this too is fixed now)

as for the others, vOv

[Not-Dorsidarf]

The default code is LOLNO.
You can still set off the nuke but expect to be banned for exploiting.

Actually you're wrong.

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var/r_code = "ADMIN"

And you cant even enter a non-numerical code via shenanigans - if whatever is entered isn't a number, it cancels the arming and alerts admins.

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if (text2num(lastentered) == null)
						var/turf/LOC = get_turf(usr)
						message_admins("[key_name_admin(usr)] tried to exploit a nuclear bomb by entering non-numerical codes: <a href='?_src_=vars;Vars=\ref[src]'>[lastentered]</a> ! ([LOC ? "<a href='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=[LOC.x];Y=[LOC.y];Z=[LOC.z]'>JMP</a>" : "null"])", 0)
						log_admin("EXPLOIT : [key_name(usr)] tried to exploit a nuclear bomb by entering non-numerical codes: [lastentered] !")

[Redblaze3000]

Why has engineering been exclusively staffed by fucktards when I play? Nearly every round I've played lately the shuttle has been called due to power loss or engineering losing the sing and it fucking up everything. All the engineers all start building rage cages or dance floors instead of powering the station. Come on guys.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Someone took all the roundstart charge out of the SMES. I dont know why.

[Miauw]

Someone took all the roundstart charge out of the SMES. I dont know why.

accidents happen. it should be fixed in the near future.

[Remie Richards]

The default code is LOLNO.
You can still set off the nuke but expect to be banned for exploiting.

Actually you're wrong.

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var/r_code = "ADMIN"

And you cant even enter a non-numerical code via shenanigans - if whatever is entered isn't a number, it cancels the arming and alerts admins.

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if (text2num(lastentered) == null)
						var/turf/LOC = get_turf(usr)
						message_admins("[key_name_admin(usr)] tried to exploit a nuclear bomb by entering non-numerical codes: <a href='?_src_=vars;Vars=\ref[src]'>[lastentered]</a> ! ([LOC ? "<a href='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=[LOC.x];Y=[LOC.y];Z=[LOC.z]'>JMP</a>" : "null"])", 0)
						log_admin("EXPLOIT : [key_name(usr)] tried to exploit a nuclear bomb by entering non-numerical codes: [lastentered] !")

the default password in the code is indeed "ADMIN", but one (maybe more) of the maps has it var edited to start as "LOLNO".

[PKPenguin321]

engineering losing the sing and it fucking up everything

While this was already a normal occurrence, it may not actually be engineering's fault lately due to a phantom bug

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Tgstation and Metastation both return nothing when I search them for the string "LOLNO" on github, will look into.

This is the file data for the metastation nuke:

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"aAo" = (/obj/machinery/nuclearbomb/selfdestruct{layer = 2}

Tgstation2

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"aCd" = (/obj/machinery/nuclearbomb/selfdestruct{layer = 2}

Neither of these appear to have been varedited in any way to change the code ( The bit in {} is the edits to default vars afaik)

And mini doesn't even HAVE a self-destruct.

[DemonFiren]

The only hit I get is for mind.dm, which checks whether the nuke code is "LOLNO" or "ADMIN" before doing something possibly related to awwwwpertives.

Guessing this means that LOLNO has at least been considered before.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Wait, it might set it in nuclear. BRB

EDIT: No files in the nuclear emergency folder set the nuke code to LOLNO. Or even contain the word.

EDIT mark 2: My guess is that LOLNO is a leftover from before someone safety-proofed the nuclear bomb (It really did used to be a random 5-digit number, and after it was changed to ADMIN it was possible to exploit it to enter) so that you couldnt set it off in nuclear under any circumstances

3xEDIT COMBO: The code that demon referenced means that nuke ops always get the right code, even if they're spawned in and the admins gave them a bomb, as long the code isn't "LOLNO" or "ADMIN" (So the nuke ops are never told to set off the self-destruct)

[mosquitoman]

why does this forum run on software that was written when dinosaurs roamed the earth

[Akkryls]

Why has engineering been exclusively staffed by fucktards when I play? Nearly every round I've played lately the shuttle has been called due to power loss or engineering losing the sing and it fucking up everything. All the engineers all start building rage cages or dance floors instead of powering the station. Come on guys.

Also with the lag that comes with the sexy Nano UI, I've seen people accidentally empty the plasma canister into their face pretty much every other round so far.

[Anonmare]

Why do people always run when Sec comes to check on them? For fucks sakes, I don't want to be the asshole that begins ands every question in interrogation with a taser, and never answers questions about why you're being questioned but you gotta meet me halfway here. Chances are, I just want to know where you are to corroborate a story and running away is also likely fucking someone else over as well

[Akkryls]

Why do people always run when Sec comes to check on them? For fucks sakes, I don't want to be the asshole that begins ands every question in interrogation with a taser, and never answers questions about why you're being questioned but you gotta meet me halfway here. Chances are, I just want to know where you are to corroborate a story and running away is also likely fucking someone else over as well

Because half the time people may have stuff on them which may either get them brigged for a while or it be stolen / confiscated by Sec. The other half is that people really don't want to bother spending part of their round dealing with security, whether it be a simple search or questioning, or full brig time whatever.
I actually fall into both of these sometimes. If I'm making an autist fort in maint, I'll have boxes full of circuit boards to build my own science lab. Not every Sec officer is just going to let you have them, and will either brig you / confiscate them.
On the other side as well, I've had a round where the cameras in xenobio weren't working / someone else cut them, I forget which. The AI then summons the entire security force to Xenobio, at which point I just fucking decide to hold out in Xenobio as long as possible by walling it off and eventually retreating into the slime cages with my pet slimes.

Now, I do actually try to make Sec officers lives easier by handing myself in or just letting them search me if there isn't any issue that's going to be a problem, so don't take from this that I'm always uncooperative, I just don't enjoy having to put up with Sec Officer Pubbie's first day on the job, cracking down on space law and confiscating ANYTHING that people have on them.

tl;dr
It's more fun in the long run I guess.

[PKPenguin321]

@Not-Dorsidarf
not sure where it is in the code persay, but if you load up a private server on box and check the nuke's vars, LOLNO is in there somewhere and acts as the code

[IcePacks]

hey guys

friendly reminder, if you run into the supermatter, not only are you fucking dead instantly everyone lucky enough to watch you derp into a big ol' block of death gets blasted with a metric fuckload of radiation and start tripping balls

please watch your step

[mosquitoman]

engineering insisting on starting singulo and fucking it up every single fucking time then saying it's a "glitch"

why can't you just wire the solars and call it a day ffs? ever seen solars eating half of the station when they're unpowered for 15 seconds?

[DemonFiren]

Once. I think it was admins.

[Stickymayhem]

engineering insisting on starting singulo and fucking it up every single fucking time then saying it's a "glitch"

why can't you just wire the solars and call it a day ffs? ever seen solars eating half of the station when they're unpowered for 15 seconds?

It literally was a glitch.

[mosquitoman]

engineering insisting on starting singulo and fucking it up every single fucking time then saying it's a "glitch"

why can't you just wire the solars and call it a day ffs? ever seen solars eating half of the station when they're unpowered for 15 seconds?

It literally was a glitch.

it could be a glitch one or two times but afterwards you'd expect morons to learn that if they can't keep singulo from escaping they should probably look at sfer methods of providing power

[Miauw]

hey guys

friendly reminder, if you run into the supermatter, not only are you fucking dead instantly everyone lucky enough to watch you derp into a big ol' block of death gets blasted with a metric fuckload of radiation and start tripping balls

please watch your step

man i remember when somebody built a quadruple SM engine but then blew it up because he was a traitor.
the captain went looking for bodies in the wreckage and walked right into a miraculously OK SM shard.

[EmGee]

Why has engineering been exclusively staffed by fucktards when I play? Nearly every round I've played lately the shuttle has been called due to power loss or engineering losing the sing and it fucking up everything. All the engineers all start building rage cages or dance floors instead of powering the station. Come on guys.

All the engineers all start building rage cages or dance floors instead of powering the station. Come on guys.

rage cages.

implying this is a bad thing, provided they set up the power

[Stickymayhem]

engineering insisting on starting singulo and fucking it up every single fucking time then saying it's a "glitch"

why can't you just wire the solars and call it a day ffs? ever seen solars eating half of the station when they're unpowered for 15 seconds?

It literally was a glitch.

it could be a glitch one or two times but afterwards you'd expect morons to learn that if they can't keep singulo from escaping they should probably look at sfer methods of providing power

You can't expect every engineer to personally be aware of the latest gamebreaking bugs.

It's an unusual problem and not every engineer notices it occurring in time to adminhelp and warn us so we can fix it in the moment.

[DemonFiren]

Depends on what bug, actually.

So, what bug?

[bandit]

Depends on what bug, actually.

So, what bug?

take your pick

https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/issues/9555
https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/issues/9516

[DemonFiren]

Ah, those two. They're always fun.

[IcePacks]

implying this is a bad thing, provided they set up the power

we all wish that was the bare minimum

[calzilla1]

Miners never get enough plasma for cargo (especially tator ones)
Captain called the shuttle because he's board
Lizards are not valid