Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
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Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
it's the third most popular station after Meta and Delta: https://tgstation13.org/tgdb/irvpolltally.php?id=234
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
So TramStation manages to pull ahead of... Kilo and IceBox.
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
firelocks are an ez fix, just shut off environment power on all hall apcs round start (takes like 3 min)
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
people trying to say it 'only' beat ice and kilo when it was only 29 votes behind delta in first-picks for round 3
be afraid, tram haters
be afraid, tram haters
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
People straight up hating on tram is also mostly memes. I think there's enough care for the core idea of the map which is an actual creative breakthrough of this 20y o game.MMMiracles wrote:people trying to say it 'only' beat ice and kilo when it was only 29 votes behind delta in first-picks for round 3
be afraid, tram haters
It's more about "how better the map could be" than "this shit has no place in /tg/ I fucking hate it".
I'll quote myself since I came up with some ideas but not on the feedback thread.
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As I said in a previous post of mine, the novelty of the tram itself wears off sooner or later, and then you are left off with a flawed station that doesn't feel right. Changes of dept layout have been a step in the right direction, but there are problems still present. The post that prompted me to list ideas identifies some of them:
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
Visibility of complaints skews heavily towards old fucks like me that are always dicking around on the forums and have nostalgic ideas about how the game should be but I think we've seen from literally every instance of polling players who actually play on the fucking servers that people like me are not reflective of the general consensus
That doesn't mean we can't bring good ideas to a newer active population that genuinely doesn't know how the game was 3-5 years ago, but we have to acknowledge that we're not the mainstream
It's like when they entire left was absolutely hyped and certain that EVERYONE loved bernie and bernie was going to annihilate the democrats and then it turned out the whole country didn't care. We exist in a bubble
That doesn't mean we can't bring good ideas to a newer active population that genuinely doesn't know how the game was 3-5 years ago, but we have to acknowledge that we're not the mainstream
It's like when they entire left was absolutely hyped and certain that EVERYONE loved bernie and bernie was going to annihilate the democrats and then it turned out the whole country didn't care. We exist in a bubble
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
Shut up Sticky you don't even play that much, don't put everyone in the same bag you're in
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
its a novelty for many people right now but will soon die just like kilo.MMMiracles wrote:people trying to say it 'only' beat ice and kilo when it was only 29 votes behind delta in first-picks for round 3
be afraid, tram haters
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tfw tram has been a FOTM since early march
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
You can use a multitool on fire alarms to turn off their thermal sensor which I imagine does the same thing and is fasterTlaltecuhtli wrote:firelocks are an ez fix, just shut off environment power on all hall apcs round start (takes like 3 min)
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
Does this only work if you do it before the alarms are triggered? Because I've tried it a couple days ago and the alarms kept going off and closing the firedoors. I think the only difference was that the red light wouldn't trigger.cacogen wrote:You can use a multitool on fire alarms to turn off their thermal sensor which I imagine does the same thing and is fasterTlaltecuhtli wrote:firelocks are an ez fix, just shut off environment power on all hall apcs round start (takes like 3 min)
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tbh I dont like it cos I feel like it sacrifices alot just to have the tram. yeah it does fine in the overall poll for first picks but even then its against box, which was about to be removed before it got the ice added to it to try and give it SOMETHING else. tram is a fun gimmick map and nothing much else imo. its the same as donut people like it because its a meme to like it
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
Don't bring donut into this, donut was one of my favorite mapsNaloac wrote:tbh I dont like it cos I feel like it sacrifices alot just to have the tram. yeah it does fine in the overall poll for first picks but even then its against box, which was about to be removed before it got the ice added to it to try and give it SOMETHING else. tram is a fun gimmick map and nothing much else imo. its the same as donut people like it because its a meme to like it
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Incorrect. I like donut unironically, and I want it back.Naloac wrote:tbh I dont like it cos I feel like it sacrifices alot just to have the tram. yeah it does fine in the overall poll for first picks but even then its against box, which was about to be removed before it got the ice added to it to try and give it SOMETHING else. tram is a fun gimmick map and nothing much else imo. its the same as donut people like it because its a meme to like it
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
Total vote value tells a different story.
AmongI swear to go if you make the joke i will end you people who didn't put it in their top spot, it was ranked much lower then the other maps on average.
The way the total vote value works, is that the top pick is treated as being worth an amount of points equal to the amount of choices (so in this case, 5), and each spot below that is worth half the amount of points as the previous spot. (so 2nd pick would be 2.5, and 3rd would be 1.25)
AmongI swear to go if you make the joke i will end you people who didn't put it in their top spot, it was ranked much lower then the other maps on average.
The way the total vote value works, is that the top pick is treated as being worth an amount of points equal to the amount of choices (so in this case, 5), and each spot below that is worth half the amount of points as the previous spot. (so 2nd pick would be 2.5, and 3rd would be 1.25)
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NamelessFairy wrote:Don't bring donut into this, donut was one of my favorite mapsNaloac wrote:tbh I dont like it cos I feel like it sacrifices alot just to have the tram. yeah it does fine in the overall poll for first picks but even then its against box, which was about to be removed before it got the ice added to it to try and give it SOMETHING else. tram is a fun gimmick map and nothing much else imo. its the same as donut people like it because its a meme to like it
Strong agree, donut was great
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You can't make a logical appeal to why tram is the best it just is. All these forum posters can keep on dancing around the facts. But this train won't stop chugging. Hop on before you are left behind!!!!
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
convince the playerbase that diagonal halls aren't a physical manifestation of the devil pleaseWineAllWine wrote:NamelessFairy wrote:Don't bring donut into this, donut was one of my favorite mapsNaloac wrote:tbh I dont like it cos I feel like it sacrifices alot just to have the tram. yeah it does fine in the overall poll for first picks but even then its against box, which was about to be removed before it got the ice added to it to try and give it SOMETHING else. tram is a fun gimmick map and nothing much else imo. its the same as donut people like it because its a meme to like it
Strong agree, donut was great
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
you can’t because diagonal halls ARE cancer because of how tiles are positioned and how our movement works.
have you ever tried slipping someone on old donut halls? and I can probably say with certainty that hitting a throw or just shooting people with lasers in a diagonal hall is MUCH easier as people move way more predictably.
have you ever tried slipping someone on old donut halls? and I can probably say with certainty that hitting a throw or just shooting people with lasers in a diagonal hall is MUCH easier as people move way more predictably.
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
Tram is mostly frustrating me because it's a cool idea but it has a few frequently-raised issues with its core usability (especially the tiny maintenance and that when sabotage causes SM delamination or Singuloose, they literally cannot affect the upper level, where... most people... are...)
I'll take Tram before IceBox any day, though, because IceBox is by miles the least usable map.
I'll take Tram before IceBox any day, though, because IceBox is by miles the least usable map.
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
Yeah this says a lot, I think this is because during playervotes Tram immediately gets like 3-4 votes for the "LOL TRAM!!" meme, then a bunch of other people piggyback on it and it wins. Aside from that specific scenario it's usually not even considered so maybe that explains why it's lowest in total vote value.MrStonedOne wrote:Total vote value tells a different story.
AmongI swear to go if you make the joke i will end you people who didn't put it in their top spot, it was ranked much lower then the other maps on average.
The way the total vote value works, is that the top pick is treated as being worth an amount of points equal to the amount of choices (so in this case, 5), and each spot below that is worth half the amount of points as the previous spot. (so 2nd pick would be 2.5, and 3rd would be 1.25)
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
The best thing tram has done is further expand upon multi z mechanics by being an actual multi z experience, rather than multi z bolted on top of a map that is already a complete single z experience.
The tram itself is, to me, an afterthought there. It serves as a mechanic to get people to interact with multi z, and in that it's brilliant.
It's a shard of reality of the pipe dream of having shuttles actually move, and for that I love it.
Tram's done a lot for giving us things to improve and a unique experience from the other maps, and I'm glad to have been active when we first got it.
I look forward to more people building up on multi z mechanics and helping polish out the flaws that have become baked into a game focused entirely on one elevation level.
The tram itself is, to me, an afterthought there. It serves as a mechanic to get people to interact with multi z, and in that it's brilliant.
It's a shard of reality of the pipe dream of having shuttles actually move, and for that I love it.
Tram's done a lot for giving us things to improve and a unique experience from the other maps, and I'm glad to have been active when we first got it.
I look forward to more people building up on multi z mechanics and helping polish out the flaws that have become baked into a game focused entirely on one elevation level.
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you have to multitool every firealarm in the room which is way slower than just shutting it off by apcAgux909 wrote:Does this only work if you do it before the alarms are triggered? Because I've tried it a couple days ago and the alarms kept going off and closing the firedoors. I think the only difference was that the red light wouldn't trigger.cacogen wrote:You can use a multitool on fire alarms to turn off their thermal sensor which I imagine does the same thing and is fasterTlaltecuhtli wrote:firelocks are an ez fix, just shut off environment power on all hall apcs round start (takes like 3 min)
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
firelocks exist for a reason, breaking them all is really unwise
Mothblocks, winter 2020, “successfully” preventing bagil death with relevant data wrote:You seem to be under the fallacy that reinforcing that Bagil is a TDM shithole where you must carry bolas and spears on you at all times, while looking for the next valid to hunt down is a positive change to the server. I don't. The data suggests other people don't.
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
If only that reason didn't seem to be "Shutting down the entire science wing permanently because toxins let off a small fart in their antechamber"Flatulent wrote:firelocks exist for a reason, breaking them all is really unwise
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The problem with atmos is that it can easily become an annoyance, and one of the only things keeping that annoyance from developing into something deadly is something also super fucking annoying. YOU CANT WIN!!
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or we have a breach and all of station is going to be uninhabitable very soonNot-Dorsidarf wrote:If only that reason didn't seem to be "Shutting down the entire science wing permanently because toxins let off a small fart in their antechamber"Flatulent wrote:firelocks exist for a reason, breaking them all is really unwise
see: half of kilo rounds involving most of the crewmembers dying fron breaches
Mothblocks, winter 2020, “successfully” preventing bagil death with relevant data wrote:You seem to be under the fallacy that reinforcing that Bagil is a TDM shithole where you must carry bolas and spears on you at all times, while looking for the next valid to hunt down is a positive change to the server. I don't. The data suggests other people don't.
imsxz wrote:I give up there’s too many furries
cacogen wrote:i asked oranges how often he plays and he deleted the post
cybersaber101 wrote:Welp, you guys let a terrymin become a headmin, thousand years of darkness.
Vekter wrote:I jerk off Nist a bit too much but he's honestly one of the best silicon players on the server. B.O.R.G.O. is also pretty good.
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Firelocks are annoying everywhere in fiction, they're supposed to be like that. It's not a code issue, a mechanic issue, nor a skill issue.
Listen, they usually separate the hero and the damsel in distress from each other, for the hero to scream "I'll catch up, don't worry about me, you go ahead!", then die and never reunite with the endebted dame. And those firelocks can't be opened with a crowbar!
Yes, those firelocks killed the hero! But we don't hear characters complaining about firelocks in movies do we?
Firelocks are a necessary evil, especially in such a setting as the one existing in ss13.
I hate firelocks.
Listen, they usually separate the hero and the damsel in distress from each other, for the hero to scream "I'll catch up, don't worry about me, you go ahead!", then die and never reunite with the endebted dame. And those firelocks can't be opened with a crowbar!
Yes, those firelocks killed the hero! But we don't hear characters complaining about firelocks in movies do we?
Firelocks are a necessary evil, especially in such a setting as the one existing in ss13.
I hate firelocks.
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
They were never designed with fastmos in mind. The necessity of getting a crowbar roundstart to reduce them to a mild annoyance instead of something that can get in your way for minutes every round while you find one is stupid. You should just be able to open them by hand after a short delay. I did try making a PR for this earlier in the year but LemonInTheDark closed it and it seems no other solutions have been made.Agux909 wrote:Firelocks are annoying everywhere in fiction, they're supposed to be like that.
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Another codebase has or had a thing that you could swipe your ID on a firelock to open it. Would be nice.
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
on the other hand the ai/atmos techs really need a way to lock shut a firelock so it cant instantly be opened by any bozo with tools for a little while, to stop people prying open doors into bomb sites and such while you're trying to rally engineers to come fix it because they GOTTA GO THRU EVERY SHUT DOOR!!
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There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
You could just use an atmos holofan over the firelocks, which would have the added bonus of keeping them open.
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Re: Tramstation is way more popular than people seem to think.
you have two atmos holofans each can create 6(?) airlocks
Mothblocks, winter 2020, “successfully” preventing bagil death with relevant data wrote:You seem to be under the fallacy that reinforcing that Bagil is a TDM shithole where you must carry bolas and spears on you at all times, while looking for the next valid to hunt down is a positive change to the server. I don't. The data suggests other people don't.
imsxz wrote:I give up there’s too many furries
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cybersaber101 wrote:Welp, you guys let a terrymin become a headmin, thousand years of darkness.
Vekter wrote:I jerk off Nist a bit too much but he's honestly one of the best silicon players on the server. B.O.R.G.O. is also pretty good.
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