Permanently hub ALL servers FOREVER

[itsswagga]

When will the sekrit club bullshit end? What's the point of Terry and Sybil having infinite max players if you can't see the servers on the hub and need to google "tg ss13" every time?

TG is the gold standard for SS13 since 2010. The server isn't even affiliated with 4chan or /tg/ anymore.

It's a win/win for all parties. LRP servers get more players, and suffer less lowpop. MRP players get more RPing buddies who come from all the other servers (only TG and Goon are LRP, /vg/ is dead). Campbell will have actual players rather than one Engi doing an autism project for 5 hours

Pop begets pop. If people see Terry has 70 players on, more will join. It's necessary for a healthy community.

There's literally no downside and I haven't seen any arguments other than boomers saying "fuck you hub bad". If it's too much work for admins hire more, there are plenty of good boy players (even on Terry) who can admin

[Turbonerd]

It's so the population doesn't get filled by hubbies.

[dirk_mcblade]

Hub bagil?

[oranges]

When will the sekrit club bullshit end? What's the point of Terry and Sybil having infinite max players if you can't see the servers on the hub and need to google "tg ss13" every time?

TG is the gold standard for SS13 since 2010. The server isn't even affiliated with 4chan or /tg/ anymore.

It's a win/win for all parties. LRP servers get more players, and suffer less lowpop. MRP players get more RPing buddies who come from all the other servers (only TG and Goon are LRP, /vg/ is dead). Campbell will have actual players rather than one Engi doing an autism project for 5 hours

Pop begets pop. If people see Terry has 70 players on, more will join. It's necessary for a healthy community.

There's literally no downside and I haven't seen any arguments other than boomers saying "fuck you hub bad". If it's too much work for admins hire more, there are plenty of good boy players (even on Terry) who can admin

not if they're all like you.

[Longestarmlonglaw]

It's so the population doesn't get filled by hubbies.

Whats a hubbie?

[Turbonerd]

It's so the population doesn't get filled by hubbies.

Whats a hubbie?

People that use the hub.

[warbluke]

need to google "tg ss13" every time?

Do you not know how to bookmark servers on Byond? That's been a feature forever.

[datorangebottle]

This is almost as bad of an idea as splitting the servers into LRP/MRP was.

Almost.

[feaster]

This is almost as bad of an idea as splitting the servers into LRP/MRP was.

Almost.

You only say this because the recent rulings cater to MRP over LRP. Shouldn‘t you want a larger divide?

[datorangebottle]

This is almost as bad of an idea as splitting the servers into LRP/MRP was.

Almost.

You only say this because the recent rulings cater to MRP over LRP. Shouldn‘t you want a larger divide?

I think that the divide in the first place was a mistake, lowering the quality of all the servers by arbitrarily separating the people who crave violence and the people who want to roleplay. SS13 needs a healthy mix of these types to really thrive imo.

Speaking on experience from the LRP side of things, risks in the name of a cool story/gimmick are less likely to result in cool roleplay moments and more likely to result in getting dunked, because the average player chases their valids like a starving dog chasing beef jerky down the street.

Speculating on MRP, people are likely more trusting because the average antagonist can't just walk into your department and dumpster the entire place, leading to roleplay I would find generally less satisfying due to things that don't make a lot of sense.

I preferred the game when it was mixed; there were downsides, like getting slaughtered by local murderboner #18274 with a desword in the middle of roleplaying, but I still think it was better then than now.

[itsswagga]

need to google "tg ss13" every time?

Do you not know how to bookmark servers on Byond? That's been a feature forever.

I know how to Ctrl+O, but the thing is, I shouldn't need to do that.
Also, Byond Bookmarks do not show the server MOTD/status, round time, or players, you have to check the TG site for that

[iain0]

When will the sekrit club bullshit end? What's the point of Terry and Sybil having infinite max players if you can't see the servers on the hub and need to google "tg ss13" every time?

Pop begets pop. If people see Terry has 70 players on, more will join. It's necessary for a healthy community.

Our servers hub at lower populations (if we're not panic bunkered), they auto dehub past a certain pop point.

The point of "infinite" max players is a joke, nothing exists that can store infinite information and the actual capabilities of the server are infinitely more modest ; atmos, mobs and projectile subsystems already chug at high (70+) populations when the round gets busy, we hit 120-130 pop once and it all went horribly wrong including people being unable to get up after being knocked down. 70 probably still remains a good high pop number, much past that the performance can get noticably worse.

Also I'd argue the game isn't really designed for much past this pop level either ; to take a not that much bigger (globally speaking) extreme example imagine 200 players on metastation with 120 assistants all bored and rioting / breaking into departments because they couldn't get their job, and there isn't even enough space or terminals for all those people to do their job. Yes, we could make more job slots, bigger maps (and not just North Star bigger, every department needs twice the facilities it currently has even on North Star), the server performance would grind, but as it stands nowadays the game is probably optimally aimed at a pop that just fills most of the job slots, and I suspect thats probably landing around 70 too.

The servers that have room to grow are Basil and Campbell and at those pop levels they should be on the hub whenever we're in a "normal" configuration.

So both of those are arguments against going too much higher, thats not to say the 90-110 pop chaos rounds aren't cool, but they do tax the server and probably push the limit of what we can muster without things more seriously starting to fall apart.

[Longestarmlonglaw]

WHats wrong with being a hubbie?

[TheFinalPotato]

the infinite is not a joke, it's been set like that since we got threaded maptick, which significantly reduces the amount of time spent per player. we get no guarenteed td up to 100 pop rn

[san7890]

this is a config option anyways so you'd probably want to go here viewforum.php?f=33

[itsswagga]

Terry, Sybil, Bagil have been on the hub for a while now. Player counts are up. I see a lot of new people in OOC asking for help.
This is good and this is how it always should be

I request that Manuel and Campbell also be hubbed. They are both MRP (admins should also write MRP in the server name) compared to the chaotic and crazy Terry
We get a lot of new players on Terry who get upset that someone RDM'd them (antag murderbone) or frustrated at the lack of roleplay. Manuel and Campbell are perfect for these players.

There MUST be an option on the hub for players who want roleplay, hate random antag murderbone and constant round-ending (plasmaflood, delam, etc.)
I get that Manuel has a clique/community but it is not healthy for TG or SS13 as a whole for it to NOT be on the hub.

MRP players need an option that isn't boring-ass Paradise where nothing happens. Goon 3 is Gooncode, Yogs and Bee are both running 2-3 year old TGcode and are missing a ton of newly developed TG stuff.

So I humbly request MSO to put Manuel and Campbell on the hub. With [MRP] in the name.

Also if any admins want to move this thread to Policy Discussion feel free.

The perma-hubbing of Terry, Sybil, Bagil has been a phenomenal success and it should be applied to all TG servers and stay that way. TG is quite literally the face of SS13, apart from Goon

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Permanently shut down ALL servers FOREVER

[oranges]

the servers auto hub themselves when player counts dip I will not be checking back in this thread.