How to have a Hostage Crisis

Helios · Post by **Helios** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:29 pm #128841

It's been forever since I've seen a hostage crisis. Despite how easy it is to restrain someone using handcuffs, taking hostages is hard because security will just run in, ignore you killing your hostage, kill you and space you and clone your hostage.
I want some ideas on how to take hostages as a traitor. Has anyone pulled this off? How did they do it?

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:33 pm #128843

The best way is to hold the station hostage. Make some very powerful bombs, put them on signallers, and hide them in smugglers' satchels in important locations. Proclaim that you have bombs around the station and unless your demands are met in X amount of time, you will detonate them. People will open lockers and search maintenance, not thinking to look for the satchels since nobody ever does. Just hold the signaller in your hand and make sure that there are cameras pointing at you so the AI can damn well see that you mean business. Keep the last bomb in your backpack so you can't be taken alive, and hook up an emergency signaler to a voice analyzer in case you get taken down. If someone tries to come for you, press the button. If they disobey, press the button. If your demands aren't met, press the fucking button. If you're lucky, your demands will be met. Then revert to your normal identity (you did disguise right?) and play like normal.

Nobody will ever find the bombs, and if you feel like the shift goes on for too long, you always have the button to press...

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:47 pm #128868

>start typing
>get tasered
>round over
GG

Davidchan · Post by **Davidchan** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:12 am #128905

Hostage taking requires RP from you, your hostage and any group interested in getting your hostage out alive.

As it stands, nobody on the server will RP, especially if a valid presents themself, and security doesn't give a shit if they kill you AND the hostage, they'll just clone them. Maybe. If you want hostage taking go to Urist or some high rp server.

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:33 am #128921

Tbh IC wise a hostage situation wouldn't do much good considering there's cloning, unless you had some manner of gibbing the body as well. You could also tie them up in an undisclosed location in maint and send out your demands from there

Danowar · Post by **Danowar** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:46 am #128924

We just need to bring back the ability to plant C4 on people. Barring that, being able to use explosive implants on other people with a code word created by the implanter would be swell, too.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 7:08 am #128949

Danowar wrote:We just need to bring back the ability to plant C4 on people. Barring that, being able to use explosive implants on other people with a code word created by the implanter would be swell, too.

Wouldn't a cavity implant with a remote signaler on the C4 work?

Stickymayhem · Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:17 pm

Nuke ops

Teleport onto the bridge when the captain is there
Bring the nuke
Subvert the AI from the upload
Arm the nuke for two minutes and stick it in the upload with lasers on.
Move the teleport beacon into upload
Close the firedoor to upload
Make your demands as two dozen morons teleport into laser hell, no one can break through and the AI plasmafucks any department giving you trouble.

Even if you die you win because the nuke is a dead man's switch.

Helios · Post by **Helios** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:25 pm #129040

Zilenan91 wrote:>start typing
>get tasered
>round over
GG

Which is why you have somewhere you can't get tasered. When I tried I did it in the back left room of mining

Davidchan wrote:Hostage taking requires RP from you, your hostage and any group interested in getting your hostage out alive.

As it stands, nobody on the server will RP, especially if a valid presents themself, and security doesn't give a shit if they kill you AND the hostage, they'll just clone them. Maybe. If you want hostage taking go to Urist or some high rp server.

Which is why a syndicate bomb I think is the best solution for a hostage crisis, if they storm in to rescue the hostage, the hostage gets gibbed, you get gibbed, and the security team likely gets killed

Luke Cox wrote:
Danowar wrote:We just need to bring back the ability to plant C4 on people. Barring that, being able to use explosive implants on other people with a code word created by the implanter would be swell, too.
Wouldn't a cavity implant with a remote signaler on the C4 work?

Does C4 in a cavity implant still gib?

imblyings · Post by **imblyings** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:37 pm #129046

well most hostage crises in real life also end up in police storming the place and we don't even have cloning in real life

bombs seem the way to go though

asskek · Post by **asskek** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:46 pm #129052

Davidchan wrote:Hostage taking requires RP from you, your hostage and any group interested in getting your hostage out alive.

As it stands, nobody on the server will RP, especially if a valid presents themself, and security doesn't give a shit if they kill you AND the hostage, they'll just clone them. Maybe. If you want hostage taking go to Urist or some high rp server.

I for one keep a list of players likely to RP

also,
>hostages
> not just implanting bombs in people and making them do your bidding
people won't fight it because it gives them free reign to do antag stuff

DrPillzRedux · Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:57 pm

Have a bomb on you and be backed up into a corner with the hostage buckled to a chair in front of you to take shots. If someone tries to unbuckle them you blow everyone up.

It's easier to do this on goon because goon has BETTER proximity sensors.

ShadowDimentio · Sat Oct 24, 2015 6:01 pm

We do too baka

Little known fact: They make grenades invisible after they prime on the ground.

Post by **lumipharon** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:50 pm #129103

you can make dead man switch bombs/grenades now.

Make the activationmechanism the health sensor thing (hacked autolathe) and it will explode it the person it's on dies.

Post by **oranges** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:32 am #129263

imblyings wrote:well most hostage crises in real life also end up in police storming the place and we don't even have cloning in real life

bombs seem the way to go though

yeah but at least the police pretend to care about the hostage's lives first.

imblyings · Post by **imblyings** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:34 am #129271

well they do care that's why police usually send in dudes who are way more OP than the bad guys

maybe we should delete cloning for a few rounds and see if things change

onleavedontatme · Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:29 am

imblyings wrote:well they do care that's why police usually send in dudes who are way more OP than the bad guys

maybe we should delete cloning for a few rounds and see if things change

We'd still be in a setting where you can fix being shot in the head with a bruise pack.

imblyings · Post by **imblyings** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:45 am #129288

I can only delete so many things before roundstart :^(

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:21 pm #129325

asskek wrote:
Davidchan wrote:Hostage taking requires RP from you, your hostage and any group interested in getting your hostage out alive.

As it stands, nobody on the server will RP, especially if a valid presents themself, and security doesn't give a shit if they kill you AND the hostage, they'll just clone them. Maybe. If you want hostage taking go to Urist or some high rp server.
I for one keep a list of players likely to RP

irrelevant, it takes one assistant with a toolbox in the right place and your list is fucked

TheNightingale · Sun Oct 25, 2015 2:06 pm

asskek wrote:
Davidchan wrote:Hostage taking requires RP from you, your hostage and any group interested in getting your hostage out alive.

As it stands, nobody on the server will RP, especially if a valid presents themself, and security doesn't give a shit if they kill you AND the hostage, they'll just clone them. Maybe. If you want hostage taking go to Urist or some high rp server.
I for one keep a list of players likely to RP

Can you share?

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 2:17 pm #129331

Kor wrote:
imblyings wrote:well they do care that's why police usually send in dudes who are way more OP than the bad guys

maybe we should delete cloning for a few rounds and see if things change
We'd still be in a setting where you can fix being shot in the head with a bruise pack.

That's why you shoot them in the head several times. Three revolver shots to the dome and they're done m8

asskek · Post by **asskek** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:22 pm #129353

TheNightingale wrote:
asskek wrote:
Davidchan wrote:Hostage taking requires RP from you, your hostage and any group interested in getting your hostage out alive.

As it stands, nobody on the server will RP, especially if a valid presents themself, and security doesn't give a shit if they kill you AND the hostage, they'll just clone them. Maybe. If you want hostage taking go to Urist or some high rp server.
I for one keep a list of players likely to RP
Can you share?

It's mostly an off the top of my head thing

Ones I can think of immediately:
Smoke Shaw (Now that he's made his return)
Fortune Ray
Emmanuel Abravomich or however you spell it
Phoebe Lotsu
Kor
Whoever plays the IMPERIAL SOLDIER clown
Cadence Meme

Now, to stage a proper hostsge crisis, you also need a good AI. You can get an AI banned for revealing your location, sure, but that's only after they do so. I'm not really acquainted with which AIs are good and which are bad.

Danowar · Post by **Danowar** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:49 pm #129362

asskek wrote: Fortune Ray

Are you kidding? I've kidnapped Ray twice and each time she went immediately braindead instead of playing along. She ragequits/suicides like that all the time when things don't go her way.

asskek · Post by **asskek** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:09 pm #129368

Danowar wrote:
asskek wrote: Fortune Ray
Are you kidding? I've kidnapped Ray twice and each time she went immediately braindead instead of playing along. She ragequits/suicides like that all the time when things don't go her way.

wow really? I mean last time I actually interacted with her was a while ago, like before my permaban

so I might be recalling incorrectly

also I tend to find that most of the "quiet" players that just do their jobs complacently tend to RP the best

new players too

new players and randomnamers

TheNightingale · Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:35 pm

(I'm IMPERIAL SOLDIER (Hail, citizen) and Cadence. My reputation precedes me.)

The trick to forcing a hostage crisis is having a guaranteed way to take your hostage out - a bomb, for example. If you can manage that (and have a hostage people care about), they'll be less likely to take risks and just gun you both down. A syringe gun with perfluorodecalin and neurotoxin still stops a remote signaller or voice analyser, though (so wear something syringeproof if you're worried about that). Once you have a hostage, you can make your demands.

Jazaen · Post by **Jazaen** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:41 pm #129380

I guess the health scanner thingy and maxcaps hidden everywhere are the way to go, if you want to do something. Also, this would work only on low-ish pop, since out of 60-something people there is always that one assistant with stunprod and spear ready to kill you. Maybe you could hide a bomb near singularity containment, or place a transmitter on PA wire responsible for level and state. Or relasable xeno pen. Whatever you do, you need to be SURE you have a dead man switch, and maybe demonstrate that you mean buisness by blowing up genetics (since then they will have way harder time of bringing hostages back, unless botany is robust or genetics went into "entire station in one department" phase)

TheNightingale · Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:44 pm

Steal the cloner boards from Tech Storage and build an autocloner in maintenance. Be swarmed by Assistants, explode and gib them all, then return post-cloning and repeat your demands.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:06 pm #129387

Speaking of hostages, this would probably be the best if you were a ling. You can transform sting a random dude into your hostage, and then sell them off instead of the real one.

But still, this will never work
>tazed
>ded

imblyings · Post by **imblyings** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:14 pm #129436

>adrenals
>fleshmend
>armblade
:::^^)))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Taking a hostage then having a buddy ling replace the hostage and 'accidentally' losing the hostage to sec could be really fun though.

capi duffman · Sun Oct 25, 2015 11:44 pm

Last time I tried a bomb hostage situation a validhunter engineer stunproded me, dragged me into main, stripped me, and threw me into space with my last bomb.
The rest were with timers, since I didn't trust the crew to honor my demands, and so they went off.

Screemonster · Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:42 pm

capi duffman wrote:Last time I tried a bomb hostage situation a validhunter engineer stunproded me, dragged me into main, stripped me, and threw me into space with my last bomb.
The rest were with timers, since I didn't trust the crew to honor my demands, and so they went off.

See, on Bay or a heavy-RP station that engineer would be in the shit for "YOU CAPTURED THE GUY ALIVE, AND KILLED HIM BEFORE WE COULD INTERROGATE HIM? THOSE BOMBS ARE ON YOU, ASSHOLE" but that's not really such a thing round these parts.
Any threat is met with WAVE UPON WAVE OF OUR OWN MEN rather than people actually, you know, being scared of things that can injure or kill them.

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:18 pm #129706

Danowar wrote:
asskek wrote: Fortune Ray
Are you kidding? I've kidnapped Ray twice and each time she went immediately braindead instead of playing along. She ragequits/suicides like that all the time when things don't go her way.

fortune ray here, have you considered the possibility that maybe you are a creepy fuck I don't want to RP with

Post by **oranges** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:32 pm #129756

fuck I was actually gonna make that point bandit

Danowar · Post by **Danowar** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:42 am #129848

It's funny how you say that about me bandit, when, off the top of my head, you have:

1. Hit on an underage admin (Niknak iirc)
2. Also wrote lizard smut
3. Commissioned me to write about Robustin getting anally raped by a ghost (which you never paid me on)
4. Impersonated different people over pda tcomms to send creepy messages
5. Impersonated Phoebe several times to act like a stuttering slut
6. Demanded Mekhi to "fuck your cunt" over the station radio

But hey, you being the most abrasive person on the server is why I thought you were cool to begin with. I wouldn't have kept writing about you otherwise.

DrPillzRedux · Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:25 am

SHOTS FUCKING FIRED OH SHIIIIT

TheNightingale · Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:34 am

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:41 am #129870

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:19 am #129901

yeah and if any of this shit genuinely bothers people I stop

also

>hitting on niknakflak

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:45 am #129913

whisper NikNakFlak

srifenbyxp · Post by **srifenbyxp** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:53 am #129915

Grab Two bags of holding + Syndi Rig Suit + Stand = Make Demands.

I did this once and some officer felt like playing the hero so I BOH'd escape. I don't know why people 8edit [Don't] take hostage situations seriously, good way to fuck everything up.

Post by **oranges** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:59 am #129919

I've hit on niknakflak heaps of times
I use a jug cord so the bruises don't show

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:26 pm #130011

>Not a bag of oranges

Come on man, you have the namesake and everything

capi duffman · Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:09 pm

A clown this morning played a hostage situation with me.
The captain, who was braindead, disappeared at some point, and the clown, recently imprisoned, demanded to be free in exchange of the captain.
By law1 I complied, only to find out the clown was a man of his word and left the captain in medbay.
That didn't stop his final fate of getting murdered by the HoS, but it was fun.

1g88a · Post by **1g88a** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:49 pm #130061

Why not cavity implant a bomb into your hostage and/or yourself?

Helios · Post by **Helios** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 9:18 pm #130070

1g88a wrote:Why not cavity implant a bomb into your hostage and/or yourself?

How will you have the time to cavity implant without sec killing you/the hostage, and freeing the hostage?

asskek · Post by **asskek** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:26 pm #130087

Helios wrote:
1g88a wrote:Why not cavity implant a bomb into your hostage and/or yourself?
How will you have the time to cavity implant without sec killing you/the hostage, and freeing the hostage?

Do it before sparking the crisis.

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:21 am #139771

asskek wrote:
Helios wrote:
1g88a wrote:Why not cavity implant a bomb into your hostage and/or yourself?
How will you have the time to cavity implant without sec killing you/the hostage, and freeing the hostage?
Do it before sparking the crisis.

Good luck with that on hipop.

I like SOME things about 80-90 player rounds, but getting more than 30 seconds alone with someone is at best a coin flip.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:24 am #139772

October 27th

John_Oxford · Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:51 am

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:06 am #139787

Next time I'm an antag with access to toxins, I promise I'll try this. Smuggler's Satchels with bombs all over the station.