Crusader Kings 2

[ColonicAcid]

Start with the 800 start date for norse.

Reform ASAP, gives you a large bonus to all true religion pagans, you'll have to deal with old unreformed paganism but just suck their dicks and they should convert sooner rather than later.

turn them to feudal asap, you want to do this so you can begin constructing cities and churches which are the economic backing of your shit. Small armies are temporary so it's best to do it early rather than late.

No, there has never been one who's the direct descendant since this isn't the Rashidun Caliphate, but you can actually get to muhammed if you go down the 700 start date arabian caliphate far enough. His name is muhammed and he actually doesn't have a character profile but instead just some muslim writing over a green background ;_;

[XSI]

Isn't the whole idea of that whole sayyid stuff that they're directly linked through sons?
Because if you have a sayyid concubine then your kids won't be counted as descendants of the guy either

[ColonicAcid]

and sunnis hate shias
your point?
there is no direct sunni descendant of muhammed.

[Kraso]

What is the best time to start as norse people? In earliest date Francian empire just doesn't want to collapse and is worse and more powerful than HRE.

first of all it's the Frankish empire

second of all

Spoiler:

• >PLAYING CHARLEMEME START

[ColonicAcid]

Yeah but the subjective is frankish empire.

[Timbrewolf]

So I wanted to stream this Friday night but I remember I've only played it once before.

I managed to do pretty well as Duke Cheese Pizza of Sicily so I decided to ratchet it up.

We're now King Mister T of Germany (East Francia?), of house Pitties No Fools. I'm in the "Rise of the Norse" era because vikings are cool. If anyone is free and willing to join in chat and help me steer this fucker I'd be appreciative.

Mister T is some kind of warrior education. He is wroth, but just. If you're not a fool you'll be okay. If you're a fool you're going in the dungeon where he will personally come punch you every day. He needs a wife and some council appointments off the bat, and then we're going on the warpath because you're either gonna be somebody or you're gonna be somebody's fool.

[Timbrewolf]

Actually we might play multiplayer as well. So if you want to join in and know how that works but wont just beast the fuck out of everyone that'd be cool too.

[mrpain]

I want to learn how2properly Norse properly. Like when/how to reform the religion and feudalize properly, then push the christians back into the desert wastes they came from. I'm down.

[mrpain]

Sadly I am not able to play multiplayer, if that was directed at me.

From my experience, it's best to reform religion asap, because sooner or later you will loose holy sites due to gavelkind, or moral authority gained from raiding temples and conquesting counties will disappear.

Only make double sure that your vassals like you, people who don't like you will stay with old norse ways. Same with Rurik or whoever norse is leading in russian lands. He is a valuable ally.

It is good to help norse lords in russia and england, as this provides you with more allies during great holy war that you call as fylkir of reformed religion.

Feudalising is much more problematic... Don't feudalise immediately after you have castle in capital, because you will receive -75% income and levy penalty to tribal holdings from "wrong holding type".

Make some more castles in demesne, also investing prestige in prestige buildings is useful, as levels II and IV of tribal buildings will become I and II of castle holdings.

Your still tribal vassals will receive -30 opinion against you for wrong government type.

Also when you feudalise, levies will be reset and start rebuilding from 0 (but this was fixed by last patch I think).

So feudalisation is problematic and expect than you will have like 4 or 3 times smaller army immediately after feudalisation. However after some time, your more advanced troops will be able to smash mostly light infantry composed tribal armies.

Cool. Thanks. And what would be the easiest ruler to reform with? Currently I've been playing with Sigurd Ring.

[ColonicAcid]

Actually we might play multiplayer as well. So if you want to join in and know how that works but wont just beast the fuck out of everyone that'd be cool too.

i'll do it anon
hit me up my nigga ill make a inbred retarded character and fuck shit up

[Timbrewolf]

I have no fucking clue how multiplayer works or how to set it up.

Also we should voice chat for it.

[mattroks101]

I haven't played multiplayer for CK2 yet but if it's anything like the other Paradox games I've played, multiplayer can be a pain to set up. I remember for Sengoku we had to use Hamachi. (also if anyone can get mulitplayer to work, i'd love to play, none of my friends own this game )

[ColonicAcid]

I have no fucking clue how multiplayer works or how to set it up.

Also we should voice chat for it.

yeah dont worry about it mang ive got all my ports open and shit all you have to do is join me.
i can do it in a like 1 and a half hours if you want.

[Timbrewolf]

I wasn't going to stream until maybe 7pm we can test that shit out.

[ColonicAcid]

darn, that's like in 2 am for me ;_;

[Timbrewolf]

I'm having second thoughts about streaming this anyway. It's really not a single fucking thing to look at. Kind of a waste of time.

[ColonicAcid]

nah trust me it's worth it.
when stupid shit starts happening and your wife has like 13 lovers and youre being cucked harder than a porno and then you suddenly die and your 8 year old son gets put on the throne.

besides people like arumba and quill18 manage to make their job of streaming and making videos of ck2 and eu4 so i dont see why you can't
and ull have me for comedic effect :^)

[Timbrewolf]

Yeah but in terms of visuals it's absolutely nothing to look at but text blocks.

Quill18 is a dipshit. His voice makes me want to punch his teeth down his throat holy shit.

"heeeEEEEEEEEEeeeyyy GAYMERS!"

[Hornygranny]

Bad game to stream, good for forum based AARs/LPs though.

[Timbrewolf]

Yeah. Digesting the game and writing it up as a narrative?

Good.

Just inviting people to watch you play? Fuck no.

[dezzmont]

X4's are pretty hard to make visually interesting even with the most dynamic games. The only time I remember watching an X4 game being fun it was because TOP KEK.

[ColonicAcid]

if we get a fuckton of people playing
(a fuckton in a paradox game consists of over 4 people) it's fun as all hell trying to fuck eachothers shit.
especially if you're all counts in the HRE/france or something like that.

[XSI]

Yeah but in terms of visuals it's absolutely nothing to look at but text blocks.

Yeah, but to the fans, those text blocks are amazing

Also, I just plain can't watch Quill. I watched him do Hearts of Iron and he was just...
Started with a facecam of him with a fedora
He did not even touch his navy or airforce
He had no idea how supply worked
At one point he tried to conquer his own territory
He moved away from strategically valuable places and defensive positions to...I'm still not sure
It just...Oh god why

WHY?

Please tell me that was a joke
No tactical or strategical insight whatsoever, and failed every single perception check available

[Kraso]

The best thing about CK2 is that there is A Song of Ice and Fire mod. Or rather, Game of Thrones mod.

I fucked up the wall as the king of the free men without the starks cockblocking me for it



and then the whole of westeros started to shatter

[Timbrewolf]

Crusader Kings 2: Too Many Counts edition.

Let's play a shitty game where we all start as counts or dukes or something of the same country and vie to become king.

[XSI]

HRE dukes with elections is pretty amusing if everyone is a player
Aside from that stuff like all players being the merchant republic patriarchs is amusing

[Feretal]

I have yet to play multiplayer ck2, I'd be up for some

[Timbrewolf]

Fucking Oranges started a plot to assassinate me and Stillchr tried to make me marry her 2 year old daughter.

Fuck this game.

[oranges]

Seduction as a female duke is a powerful asset

[Timbrewolf]

Fuckin' bohemians.

Is there any way, similar to Dominions, to make a leader ahead of time and save it as an archetype?

So you can re-use the same custom made dude/lady in subsequent games?

[Feretal]

Fuckin' bohemians.

Is there any way, similar to Dominions, to make a leader ahead of time and save it as an archetype?

So you can re-use the same custom made dude/lady in subsequent games?

Not unless you mess with save files, but that really needs to be an option.

[Timbrewolf]

No. See how your signature is a combination of traits for a character?

If there was a way to save a pre-generated character that was setup with those traits and the attributes you wanted, so everytime you go to play a new game you could just pick the location you wanted to start in and then import that guy as your first noble/patrician/raja/whatever. Maybe you tweak it slightly for religion/culture and then boom done go.

Like with Dominions 4 I don't have to build a Pretender from scratch every game if I have one I like already made. I can just re-use that and go.
It seems like you can't even play with the character builder in CK2 unless you start a new game and then exit out when you're satisfied. ATM all I could think to do would be writing down all your choice for your build and just consulting it when you started a new game.

[Kraso]

welcome aboard the Mordor Paint Train, Frodo

choo choo