I built a SnS last night on the merits that I Had The Parts For It, and holy shit, I forgot how much fun it was. Glad they brought back the shield-bash KO system.
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Saegrimr wrote:
Wyzack wrote:Remove players 2016, they ruin everything they touch
IM TRYING
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yackemflam wrote:It's like dish washing, someone has to do it.
MAYBE IF YOU'D QUIT SHITTING ON THE PLATE WHEN YOU'RE TOO LAZY TO GET UP TO GO TO THE RESTROOM AND JUST PUT THEM IN THE FUCKING SINK WHEN YOU'RE DONE
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An0n3 wrote:Azari for headmin 2015
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ShadowDimentio wrote:Instructions too complex, spaced the clown
Akkryls wrote:I mean, we are rightfully pissed off, but let's be pissed off for the correct reasons.
Falamazeer wrote:I am sufficiently outraged for you
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nsos wrote:When I was a teen and did the inevitable trying to suck your own dick thing I managed to get the head in my mouth and I feel like the rest of my life is me being punished for that
miggles wrote:is that supposed to be a trick question or just a dumb one
cedarbridge wrote:My first idea is that everyone just stops being faggots to each other but that's not going to happen, obviously.
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Super Aggro Crag wrote:you can't just use meme to mean "thing I don't like" you goatherd
Saegrimr wrote:"lel just go explore make YOUR OWN fun wow do you have NO IMAGINATION back in MY DAY we used to shove twigs in our urethras and PRETENDED WE WERE KNIGHTS"
An0n3 wrote:Fucking crystal ass wind chime lookin' bitch.
Saegrimr wrote:It should be common sense but this is /tg/.
EndgamerAzari wrote:I built a SnS last night on the merits that I Had The Parts For It, and holy shit, I forgot how much fun it was. Glad they brought back the shield-bash KO system.
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SnS is really good in this game. It's got a lot going for it. You can buy weapon oils for them in the shop and from Neko (Means "Cat") that give it special effects too, in case you didn't know. They're all pretty fucking strong so it's worth bringing a few on hunts with you
Yeah, I put the stamina oil on there and was enjoying braining a bulldrome in record time.
Also the weeb cat cracks me up.
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Shaps wrote:I never thought I'd see the day where someone tried claiming the moral high ground on drinking a bottle of cough syrup
TechnoAlchemist wrote:dumb baby boo boo "i wish I enlisted then mom would be proud" ballistics.
Saegrimr wrote:
Wyzack wrote:Remove players 2016, they ruin everything they touch
IM TRYING
Saegrimr wrote:
yackemflam wrote:It's like dish washing, someone has to do it.
MAYBE IF YOU'D QUIT SHITTING ON THE PLATE WHEN YOU'RE TOO LAZY TO GET UP TO GO TO THE RESTROOM AND JUST PUT THEM IN THE FUCKING SINK WHEN YOU'RE DONE
FantasticFwoosh wrote:Zip ties are best applied on assistants and other nobodies because of the exact reason they are disposable (applies to both).
An0n3 wrote:Azari for headmin 2015
He's an admin you can trust because nobody remembers to involve him in their conspiracies.
Drynwyn wrote:hbrahlrlahrlharlahr FEATURE CREEP
ShadowDimentio wrote:Instructions too complex, spaced the clown
Akkryls wrote:I mean, we are rightfully pissed off, but let's be pissed off for the correct reasons.
Falamazeer wrote:I am sufficiently outraged for you
Maccus wrote:You look like the dad every teenage boy doesn't look forward to meeting at his girlfriend's house
nsos wrote:When I was a teen and did the inevitable trying to suck your own dick thing I managed to get the head in my mouth and I feel like the rest of my life is me being punished for that
miggles wrote:is that supposed to be a trick question or just a dumb one
cedarbridge wrote:My first idea is that everyone just stops being faggots to each other but that's not going to happen, obviously.
Not-Dorsidarf wrote:Most soap operas could be improved if every scene had a greyshirt in the background hooting "GIBE DE POOSIE BOSS" all the time
Not-Dorsidarf wrote:classic style is "shit on everyone from the greatest heights, so they cannot climb high enough to shit on you"
Super Aggro Crag wrote:you can't just use meme to mean "thing I don't like" you goatherd
Saegrimr wrote:"lel just go explore make YOUR OWN fun wow do you have NO IMAGINATION back in MY DAY we used to shove twigs in our urethras and PRETENDED WE WERE KNIGHTS"
An0n3 wrote:Fucking crystal ass wind chime lookin' bitch.
Saegrimr wrote:It should be common sense but this is /tg/.
If you want a really solid village/low-rank set combining the Jaggi chest/waist and the rest Bulldrome gives you a set with no drawbacks and grants Attack Up(M). The overall defense is going to be kinda low at only Rare-1 but it's an overall +15% or so damage buff which helps a lot.
Alternatively the Kut-Ku set is pretty good if you want to focus on the fire element and just burn shit down. Throw an attack gem in one of the leg slots to get Attack Up S and Defense Down S. Even with the defense down it still has higher raw defense than the Bulldrome set. You'll also take a lot less damage from fire attacks, which happens a lot in low-rank fighting against Kut-Ku, Ian/Los, Yian Garuga, etc.
With how good SnS is supposedly I would also consider the Hermitaur set to be pretty valuable this time around. Guard can reduce your times in a roundabout way. But being able to block more hits / more hits without staggering you're able to be more aggressive and attack more frequently. If you're a Lance/GL/SnS player already you probably know that but it's kinda similar to how Evade skills actually help you kill shit faster because you spend less time trying to avoid attacks and worrying about getting hurt.
I see a lot of people wearing the Tetsucabara set and I don't quite get why. Health increases are neat but you can get that from food effects or just making nutrients really easily. If you need more HP just make mega nutrients and there ya go.
Longsword is retardedly effective for a weapon that takes zero thought or effort to use.
The same old spammy shit is just as effective but now doing that charges up your hunter arts which you can also then spam to fuel more spam. It's a circle of spam. Everything is spam.
I built an LS just for shits and didn't even bother to suit up for it. I'm running around in Hermitaur cheerleader gear (Guard skills for my LS oh yeah baby) and slapping the shit out of everything I'm fighting in record times (shortest times relative to me, not world records or anything).
Which is fucking shameful after how long I just ground Narga to get a full Narga set + bow. How much longer it takes to complete hunts in that outfit + how much more fragile I am the whole time fucking christ guys this isn't how balance works.
You don't need bushido or striker or any fancy bullshit. Just use the Guild style and take Sakura Slash + Unhinged Spirit and go apeshit. Sakura Slash hits twice pretty hard in a huge arc but also raises your spirit gauge one level. Unhinged Spirit hits once pretty hard after a windup animation and then gives you INFINITE SPIRIT GAUGE for a period of time.
adept longsword takes a scary amount of thought to use for *teleports behind u* *unsheathes katana*, since your spammy shit no longer has the roundslash
other than that your complaints are valid
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Yeah I had assumed before going into the game that adept would be top-tier but in playtesting I'm finding that straight up Guild style is the best.
Trying to LS without the X + A back and sidestep slashes is bad. They enable you to get out of the way of something while still attacking and immediately positioning yourself to continue to attack. You can press R immediately after one for a follow-up that leads into the spirit combo. Without them LS loses a ton of mobility and aggression. Adept steps up your gauge and that's neat but you lose a lot of moves and only get one HA.
Out of everything I've tried so far only SnS and LS can make proper use of Striker Style. With a lot of weapons I think at least one of their arts is bad but SnS and LS have three really solid arts.
>tfw you use Unflinching Courage to deal the final blow to a monster
Definitive low rank armor is bulldrome/jaggi mix. Blademaster can get Attack Up (L) with no drawbacks by using the gunner's bulldrome head piece, bulldrome gloves and boots, jaggi chest and waist. Four attack up gems and you're good to go.
It's kinda lame but just boring ass Attack Up L is the biggest buff to damage output you're going to see before getting into high rank shenanigans. Affinity becomes really strong later on, but only after you're stacking the new improved crit skills with increased crit.
farmed narga and made the armor for gunners, rocking expert +1, attack (m) and evade distance and i'm killing shit in record time with light bowguns solo
feels good, man
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I hate to be the fun ruiner but I'm too good at it.
Affinity builds don't do anything for you at low rank.
Affinity is just a chance to crit, which does 1.2x damage over a regular hit and wont bounce.
Attack Up is a flat bonus to weapon damage which gets crunched up through the damage calculator and is hard to express in terms of a sheer multiplier or percentage increase.
Say you've got a 90 strength weapon and Affinity 20% (Expert+2). One in every five hits is going to do 1.2x damage so for one of those hits its like your weapon jumps up to 108 strength.
If you've got Attack Up (M) that's a flat 15 strength on EVERY attack. So your weapon is hitting for 105 all the time.
Even stacking Affinity as much as you can get with one of Narga's weapons your still going to cap out at around 65% affinity or so in low rank. That's still only 108 damage two out of every three hits.
Six swings with Affinity 20% (90 x 5 = 450) + 108 = 558 (one crit)
Six swings with Affinity 65% (108 + 108 + 90 = 306) x 2 = 612. (four crits)
Six swings with Attack Up M is 105 x 6 = 630 (no crits)
Six swings with Attack Up L is 110 x 6 = 660 (no crits)
As you get to progressively stronger weapons though, Affinity without any other supporting skills does start to edge out over Attack Up. It gets tricky though because while you start slotting in more crit damage effects the Attack Up build starts putting in skills like Artisan which increases the overall damage multiplier of the weapon and increases the effect Attack Up has.
the narga bowgun has 40% affinity, which isn't terrible at all for a low-rank weapon
i understand that affinity isn't a damage increase 100% of the time, but seeing as it rapid-fires piercing (albeit only level 1) and has damage on par with most of my melee weapons it's actually a pretty nice boost in damage
evade distance is a really good re-positioning tool, and positioning is everything with ranged weapons
functionally it's almost literally halved my times, which is pretty impressive considering every other attempt i've made at solo gunning in the series has been laughable
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Numbers don't lie. You could have an even higher damage output if you just dropped it in favor of Attack Up.
I'm saying all this as someone who has a full Narga set for both Blademaster AND Gunner. I have Narga's Bow and Narga's Longsword. Like, I wish that all the effort I put into farming all that shit to build those sets would put me a in a better position damage output wise than just some basic cobbled together shit from babby's first hunts but it doesn't. It has inferior damage output.
You're right about affinity vs AuXL it's just that in low rank you really can just run whatever you want and everything has so little hp it doesn't matter
Shaving a few minutes off each hunt means you can get through more hunts more easily and get to better stuff faster.
Low rank takes hours even if you just try grind straight through it without stopping.
An armor set like this sets you up to do just that as quickly as possible.
It uses the most basic fucking materials but gives you a really helpful skillset.
All you have to do after building it is keep upgrading it and focus on your weapons.
If you don't mind wallowing in low rank for an extra few hours overall then it doesn't matter to you.
That's cool.
Most people care about that kind of shit though. I think most of us want to move on and get to the really cool, unique stuff in high rank and deviant fights faster.
I guess it just bothers me when people insist on using a cookie cutter optimal set in anything outside g-rank/late high rank. Later on when you're non-stop grinding the big shit you'll probably end up with more or less the same skills as everyone else using that weapon type, maybe with another skill or two difference. Sure, there's definitely room for unique builds even late-game but for a lot of people it's simpler to just go with the recommended/meta sets.
Since you have significantly more freedom due to how forgiving and simple early game is, it really doesn't hurt to hang in LR/early HR for a few hours more to try out different skills, experiment and have some fun with more unique builds before moving on. It can help you figure out what works and what doesn't, get you used to making your own sets and builds and for more experienced players, give them an opportunity to try something different and new without having to worry about not doing it optimally.
That's how I see it anyway. I know some players just want to bumrush through low rank and get to the late game, since that's what most people consider the "true" monster hunter experience and that's cool too.
gammoth in particular is a pretty big letdown, with a plus-size healthpool that she does jack shit with other than re-enact that one scene from austin powers
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astalos's set gives you stun, for the love of god, and repeat offender, which an0n3 will probably tell you is poo
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No that's fine later on when you can stack a bunch of crit skills.
Got Shagaru Magala armor, gemmed and talismanned for Peak Performance, Normal/Rapid Shot Up, and Health +20.
With the Bow of Hope and Valor (teostra's bow) it's a pretty stupid combination for damage output.
Eat food, honk horns, and don't get hit = 175 base strength before adding in damage for the Shot Up skill and Blast effects. Wew lads. I think I'm just going to ride this set out for the rest of the game, this is too good. We'll upgrade it as we go and change some of the final skills (Health isn't great but it fit for now) but the combination of that set and that bow are too good.
Nakarkos is cool. Their armor sets are all extreme edgelord looking shit.
Gammoth indeed sucks. Neat looking design just an incredibly boring fight. Sometimes slaps the shit out of everyone with its trunk, otherwise completely ineffective.