[Sawrge] Entrapment of Criminals

[BeeSting12]

Byond account and character name: BeeSting12, Edward Sloan

Banning admin: Sawrge

Ban type (What are you banned from?): None, note appeal.

Ban reason and length: Not a ban. Note is as follows:
2017-03-09 23:04:32 | Bagil | sawrge
Baited an assistant into the brig with promise of guns and then killed him for trying to take a gun when offered.

Time ban was placed (including time zone): See the time shown above.

Your side of the story: I'll skip to the relevant part, check sawrge's feedback thread for the rest. Someone was returning the spaced armory, I called officers in to get weapons. An assistant comes in, takes a weapon, we get in a firefight, I killed him.
Logs:

Spoiler:

Atmos tech finding the guns in space.
[22:47:26]SAY: Gary Batten/The Autism : Why are there tasers and lasers in space?
-lines omitted here, mainly inbetween stuff that has no relation to the incident. probably somewhere between 3-500, I don't know, too lazy to count.-
Atmos tech returning them
[22:55:19]SAY: Gary Batten/The Autism : Hos
[22:55:22]SAY: Gary Batten/The Autism : I have the guns
[22:55:27]SAY: Edward Sloan/BeeSting12 : Alright, toss 'em here
[22:55:34]SAY: Edward Sloan/BeeSting12 : Thanks
-maaaaybe 10 lines omitted here, also irrelevant stuff.-
Me letting the officers know about the guns, on the security channel
[22:55:38]SAY: Edward Sloan/BeeSting12 : Who wants some guns
[22:55:40]SAY: Edward Sloan/BeeSting12 : Brig
Apparently the assistant says he does on the security channel, I either missed it or ignored it.
[22:55:41]SAY: Gideon O'Feodor/GlobalThermonuclearWar : I do

Relevant Attack Logs, starting at about the time he picked up the taser and ran

Spoiler:

[22:55:58]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) fired at reinforced window with the electrode Brig(120,164,1)
[22:55:59]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) fired at floor with the electrode Brig(117,167,1)
[22:56:01]ATTACK: Gary Batten(theautism) fired at reinforced window with the bullet Brig(116,164,1)
[22:56:01]ATTACK: Gary Batten(theautism) fired at reinforced window with the bullet Brig(116,164,1)
[22:56:01]ATTACK: Gary Batten(theautism) fired at reinforced window with the bullet Brig(116,164,1)
[22:56:01]ATTACK: Gary Batten(theautism) fired at reinforced window with the bullet Brig(116,164,1)
[22:56:01]ATTACK: Gary Batten(theautism) fired at reinforced window with the bullet Brig(116,164,1)
[22:56:01]ATTACK: Gary Batten(theautism) fired at reinforced window with the bullet Brig(116,164,1)
[22:56:01]ATTACK: Gary Batten(theautism) shot Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) with the bullet (NEWHP: 97)(115,164,1)
[22:56:01]ATTACK: Gary Batten(theautism) shot Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) with the bullet (NEWHP: 94)(115,164,1)
[22:56:01]ATTACK: Gary Batten(theautism) shot Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) with the bullet (NEWHP: 91)(115,164,1)
[22:56:02]ATTACK: Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) fired at floor with the electrode Brig(113,165,1)
[22:56:02]ATTACK: Enrico Pucci(heavyweather) attacked Enrico Pucci(heavyweather) with screwdriver(INTENT: HELP) (NEWHP: 85)(88,89,1)
[22:56:02]ATTACK: Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) shot Gary Batten(theautism) with the electrode (NEWHP: 94)(113,166,1)
[22:56:03]ATTACK: Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) fired at floor with the electrode Brig(109,165,1)
[22:56:05]ATTACK: Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) fired at floor with the electrode Brig(109,165,1)
[22:56:06]ATTACK: Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) fired at floor with the electrode Brig(110,166,1)
[22:56:07]ATTACK: Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) fired at floor with the disabler beam Brig(110,166,1)
[22:56:07]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) fired at floor with the disabler beam Brig(105,166,1)
[22:56:07]ATTACK: Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) fired at floor with the disabler beam Brig(110,166,1)
[22:56:08]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) fired at Brig air scrubber #5 with the disabler beam Brig(108,166,1)
[22:56:08]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) fired at floor with the disabler beam Brig(110,166,1)
[22:56:09]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) fired at floor with the disabler beam Brig(106,166,1)
[22:56:09]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) fired at floor with the disabler beam Brig(108,167,1)
[22:56:10]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) shot Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 91)(114,166,1)
[22:56:10]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) fired at floor with the disabler beam Brig(111,167,1)
[22:56:10]ATTACK: Enrico Pucci(heavyweather) attacked Enrico Pucci(heavyweather) with screwdriver(INTENT: HELP) (NEWHP: 78)(88,96,1)
[22:56:15]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) fired at Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) with the laser Brig (NEWHP: 91)(114,166,1)
[22:56:15]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) shot Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) with the laser (NEWHP: 71)(114,166,1)
[22:56:16]ATTACK: Darek Marek(sneakybandit) fired at Gary Batten(theautism) with the electrode Brig (NEWHP: 94)(113,167,1)
[22:56:16]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) fired at Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) with the laser Brig (NEWHP: 71)(114,166,1)
[22:56:16]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) shot Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) with the laser (NEWHP: 51)(114,166,1)
[22:56:16]ATTACK: Darek Marek(sneakybandit) shot Gary Batten(theautism) with the electrode (NEWHP: 94)(113,167,1)
[22:56:17]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) fired at Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) with the laser Brig (NEWHP: 51)(114,166,1)
[22:56:17]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) shot Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) with the laser (NEWHP: 44)(114,166,1)
[22:56:17]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) fired at Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) with the laser Brig (NEWHP: 44)(114,166,1)
[22:56:17]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) shot Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) with the laser (NEWHP: 44)(114,166,1)
[22:56:18]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) fired at Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) with the laser Brig (NEWHP: 44)(114,166,1)
[22:56:18]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) shot Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) with the laser (NEWHP: 44)(114,166,1)
[22:56:18]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) fired at Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) with the laser Brig (NEWHP: 44)(114,166,1)
[22:56:18]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) shot Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) with the laser (NEWHP: 44)(114,166,1)
[22:56:19]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) fired at Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) with the laser Brig (NEWHP: 44)(114,166,1)
[22:56:19]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) shot Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) with the laser (NEWHP: 44)(114,166,1)
[22:56:25]ATTACK: Edward Sloan(beesting12) attacked Gideon O'Feodor(globalthermonuclearwar) with energy sword(INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 5.5)(114,166,1)

Why you think you should be unbanned: Even if the note does not get removed, I would like for the note to get changed as this does not reflect the situation well. Rather than baiting someone into the brig, offering them a weapon, and then killing them for it, the person ran into the brig, stole a taser and then ran away, after which they got killed. And yeah, that's my case. Thanks for reading and all.

Logs found here: https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/bas ... Attack.txt, https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/bas ... ursday.txt

[lzimann]

Please read the rules about using public logs. I will get to this when I get home(unless other headmin wants to do it first).

[BeeSting12]

Please read the rules about using public logs. I will get to this when I get home(unless other headmin wants to do it first).

is it better now? added in when I omitted lines and gave links, can't think of where else I messed up. honestly those were the only relevant ones I could find. if anyone could pull up the ahelp logs, that'd be nice. sawrge only bwoinked me once and didn't respond after I explained to him. I figured I was in the clear but apparently I got a note out of this.

[captain sawrge]

>Apparently the assistant says he does on the security channel, I either missed it or ignored it.
[22:57:53]SAY: Edward Sloan/BeeSting12 : Well Gideon stole a taser like I knew he would, so he got stabbed to death

I will agree that the note was poorly worded, my connection was really bad when I was trying to handle this and I kept freezing and disconnecting and I couldn't wrangle anyone else to come on. That said, I think the execution was shitty and pointless and based on the logs it honestly looks to me like you were trying to bait Gideon to the brig just to kill him for a flimsy reason.

[BeeSting12]

>Apparently the assistant says he does on the security channel, I either missed it or ignored it.
[22:57:53]SAY: Edward Sloan/BeeSting12 : Well Gideon stole a taser like I knew he would, so he got stabbed to death

I will agree that the note was poorly worded, my connection was really bad when I was trying to handle this and I kept freezing and disconnecting and I couldn't wrangle anyone else to come on. That said, I think the execution was shitty and pointless and based on the logs it honestly looks to me like you were trying to bait Gideon to the brig just to kill him for a flimsy reason.

By "I knew he would", I meant that the minute I saw him in the brig with the weapons out, I figured he'd take one. I actually did miss him saying "I do" on the security channel. I had no clue that he even had the security channel when I was asking who wants weapons, so I wasn't baiting him in. If anything, he's the one who was banbaiting here by taking a taser and ahelping when he gets killed for it. On code red. When the armory has been breached and all of the roundstart security besides me was killed.

[NikNakFlak]

Lzimann never got to this, headmins don't let it rot, it's been a whole TWO days

[lzimann]

Yea oops, got kinda distracted and forgot about this. Anyway, a HoS saying "Who wants guns" in security channel is nowhere near baiting people to grab guns so you can kill them, it's pretty clear that it was meant to officers/security personel. The execution might have been a bit too much since you already had him down when you started lasering, but doesn't really matter since red alert + context given by beesting(armory already breached, sec officers killed). I'll be lifting this note since I don't really agree with it.

[captain sawrge]

Note was edited to better reflect situation. I disagree with lifting it completely because I still think it's worth noting the fact that he executed someone for a shitty, petty reason.

[BeeSting12]

Thanks lzimann