Feemjmeem ~ Sylaeneus: Invalid Escalation

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Feemjmeem ~ Sylaeneus: Invalid Escalation

Post by Epithet » #351575

Byond account and character name: Sylaeneus / Joselyn Weisgarber
Banning admin: Feemjmeem
Ban type (What are you banned from?): server ban
Ban reason and length: Invalid murder, half-day
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 11:35 AM EST -5:00
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil):Sybil
Your side of the story:
Firstly, I'll link my ban message;
You have been banned by feemjmeem.
Reason: As chaplain, witnessed a security officer walk in, get his leg cut off by the captain [Actually, nope.] (which was, after the fact, an accident). The security officer tased the captain and began to cuff them (because the captain cut off their leg), and Sylaeneus then took the captain's saber and chopped the security officer to death and de-brained him and destroyed his brain. I understand that you, somehow, thought the captain was being attacked, but your escalation was improper and the Head of Security was also standing right in front of you. [Nope again] You were then arrested by the Head of Security that you jumped past to murder one of his officers. [Third nope.] Think a little more clearly in the future. Half-day ban since it wasn't completely unprovoked.

So, in order, the Captain ran in the doors of the chapel as I'm re-decorating, because I'm devoted to the space gods and the chapel needs more feng shui. Get's tased, starts screaming stuff.
The sec officer runs up and starts to cuff him.
This is my only exposure to the incident thus far: Captain runs in, gets tased and cuffed. There is only a janitor, me, the captain, my fellow chaplain, and the sec officer in question in the room at this time.
Every gay porn, ling round, and antag encounter I've ever had is screaming;
1) The Captain is about to die, horribly, in a dark maint shaft. Without lube, presumably.
2) This guy has balls, you're probably next.
So I started hacking at him. Lastly, I didn't destroy his brain as far as I know, because the Captain picked it up and threw it.

Code: Select all

Deez Nutty tries to remove Joakim Eriksson's handcuffs.

Joakim Eriksson says, "Take him away"

Joselyn Weisgarber says, "The fuck"

[Common] The Automated Announcement System coldly states, "Za'zoop has signed up as Assistant"

[Common] The Automated Announcement System coldly states, "Ezekiel Keppel has signed up as Station Engineer"

Joakim Eriksson says, "MY SOWRD"

Quinn Pearsall moans, "What...."

Quinn Pearsall moans, "Happened?..."

Joakim Eriksson puts the officer's sabre into the sabre sheath.

Mark-Ezocnet hisses, "That wasss brutal"

Joakim Eriksson has thrown Notta Sindi's brain.

Hugo Janis says, "Why are we arresting him cap"

Quinn Pearsall asks, "What... happened?" 

Quinn Pearsall puts the hybrid taser into the security satchel.

Joakim Eriksson says, "For blowing up a fucking person"

Quinn Pearsall moans, "Thats..."

Quinn Pearsall moans, "Murder..."

Joakim Eriksson says, "He is crazy"

Deez Nutty says, "Destruction of the chapel"

Joselyn Weisgarber says, "Saved yer life, ya fuckin' git."
Also shitcurity wee woo WEEEE WOOOO GUILTY UNTIL FUCK YOU I AM THE LAW WHO NEEDS HIS SIDE HE'S A CRIMINAL. You know. So long as we're worried about the rules, and all.

Why you think you should be unbanned: I feel, given the circumstances and the time available to react to them as they unfolded, I was justified in my actions, and that they were reasonable given the information available to me at the time. Perhaps, jumping right to hacking apart a sec officer for using antag behavior on the captain shouldn't have been my first action, arguably. Then again, chasing down the captain to cuff, tase, and presumably drag them away in front of a crowd of onlookers ought not to have been that sec officer's first course of action. Such things tend to draw involvement from a crowd who can only act based on the appearance of happenings, and if you can't recognize that, well. So, I suppose everyone acted more and thought less, this being the result.

As a final note, feemjmeem seemed more interested in appeasing anger and outrage than actually getting the story and working out the issue. Furthermore, beforehand, he decided it was reasonably provoked but still incorrect, so let me off with a warning. Then, the sec officer in question started talking shit and salt in dead chat, so I attempted to explain my perspective to him, albeit in just as aggressive of a manner. Apparently, this in some manner convinced feemjmeem that, I would wager a guess, I wasn't apologetic enough? and so he reversed his decision and gave me a half-day ban. I'm generally unimpressed with his ability to get both sides and otherwise be impartial or unbiased in his interpretation and application of the rules.
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Re: Feemjmeem ~ Sylaeneus: Invalid Escalation

Post by Takeguru » #351578

Alright, I was the sec officer in question

Deez Nutty called for sec to the chapel in general radio, so I showed up
Shortly after, captain rolls in with his saber out, cuts off my leg and I have him stunned and begin cuffing within a few seconds of the cut
You roll up, grab his saber, and murder me.

The murder, if nothing else, I would understand, but you take it a step further and attack my head to remove my brain, completely unprovoked.
There was no mention of changelings in the round

And I'm actually not sure if my brain was or was not destroyed after this, because I couldn't reenter a body after the fact

Had you simply asked, I would have answered, but you decided to take an arrest and turn it into a murder
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Re: Feemjmeem ~ Sylaeneus: Invalid Escalation

Post by feem » #351579

I don't even care anymore, I'll unban you because obviously our rules don't matter.
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Re: Feemjmeem ~ Sylaeneus: Invalid Escalation

Post by Armhulen » #351581

feem wrote:I don't even care anymore, I'll unban you because obviously our rules don't matter.
feem are you alright?
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Re: Feemjmeem ~ Sylaeneus: Invalid Escalation

Post by Cobby » #351903

I'm going to reopen this and let someone explain what the results of this thread in a sensible manner before resolving this.
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Re: Feemjmeem ~ Sylaeneus: Invalid Escalation

Post by feem » #351912

The ban was lifted because I did not feel it was worth my time to defend the ban
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Re: Feemjmeem ~ Sylaeneus: Invalid Escalation

Post by Cobby » #351913

Ok lol
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