[Arianya] Deedubya - what the actual fuck
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[Arianya] Deedubya - what the actual fuck
BYOND account: Deedubya
Character name: none, apparently
Ban type: Appearance ban
Ban length: Permanent
Ban reason: Banned from Roles: Appearance permanently - Evaded an appearance ban on alt account ssjdarkwarrior a day after it was placed for naming themself "Loli Catgirl". That ban was originally timed to end after a month but since you couldn't go a single day without evading it, this one is permanent.
Time ban was placed: "a day ago" according to statbus
Server you were playing on when banned: None. Funnily enough it says the ban occurred on Terry, which I'm pretty sure I have zero connections logged to. Fuck Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: who knows
Your side of the story: I changed my ckey well over a year ago. Reason being that I started going by a different online handle. Understandably, "ssjdarkwarrior" is 2edgy4me in [current last year], so I updated it. I also stated this as the reason when I contacted MSO about this recently, in fact. If necessary, he can corroborate that as the reason stated well before this recent ban was placed. Logged in today and saw I had a random appearance. Was pretty sure I had that toggled off, so I checked my preferences and saw I was appearance banned. Didn't know what the fuck that was about, so checked my notes. Lo and behold, read above. While it's possible that I switched ckeys in the middle of an appearance ban, it was so long ago that I honestly can't remember. It certainly wasn't my intent to do so. I'm somewhat certain it was a nabski ban anyway, so I'm sure I could have had it overturned if I really wanted to. Didn't he get deadminned because of all the shitty calls he made?
Why you think you should be unbanned: I don't even know how or why Arianya decided to go searching for something to inconvenience me with. The ban length was served well over a year ago. It was for one month. I'm pretty sure the reason wasn't even as stated by Arianya in the new ban, but I don't have the password for that account anymore to check the actual note. I'd appreciate if someone with access could post that account's notes for clarity. I've never had even a single note on this ckey for violating naming policy. It's pretty obvious that even if I was intentionally dodging a ban, or if the original ban reason even held water, it obviously holds no relevance in regards to my conduct since then. This is pretty petty on your part, looking for literally any reason to try and inconvenience me - especially considering I haven't even done anything to you aside from disagree with you. I honestly can't comprehend the thought process behind this.
Character name: none, apparently
Ban type: Appearance ban
Ban length: Permanent
Ban reason: Banned from Roles: Appearance permanently - Evaded an appearance ban on alt account ssjdarkwarrior a day after it was placed for naming themself "Loli Catgirl". That ban was originally timed to end after a month but since you couldn't go a single day without evading it, this one is permanent.
Time ban was placed: "a day ago" according to statbus
Server you were playing on when banned: None. Funnily enough it says the ban occurred on Terry, which I'm pretty sure I have zero connections logged to. Fuck Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: who knows
Your side of the story: I changed my ckey well over a year ago. Reason being that I started going by a different online handle. Understandably, "ssjdarkwarrior" is 2edgy4me in [current last year], so I updated it. I also stated this as the reason when I contacted MSO about this recently, in fact. If necessary, he can corroborate that as the reason stated well before this recent ban was placed. Logged in today and saw I had a random appearance. Was pretty sure I had that toggled off, so I checked my preferences and saw I was appearance banned. Didn't know what the fuck that was about, so checked my notes. Lo and behold, read above. While it's possible that I switched ckeys in the middle of an appearance ban, it was so long ago that I honestly can't remember. It certainly wasn't my intent to do so. I'm somewhat certain it was a nabski ban anyway, so I'm sure I could have had it overturned if I really wanted to. Didn't he get deadminned because of all the shitty calls he made?
Why you think you should be unbanned: I don't even know how or why Arianya decided to go searching for something to inconvenience me with. The ban length was served well over a year ago. It was for one month. I'm pretty sure the reason wasn't even as stated by Arianya in the new ban, but I don't have the password for that account anymore to check the actual note. I'd appreciate if someone with access could post that account's notes for clarity. I've never had even a single note on this ckey for violating naming policy. It's pretty obvious that even if I was intentionally dodging a ban, or if the original ban reason even held water, it obviously holds no relevance in regards to my conduct since then. This is pretty petty on your part, looking for literally any reason to try and inconvenience me - especially considering I haven't even done anything to you aside from disagree with you. I honestly can't comprehend the thought process behind this.
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Re: [Arianya] Deedubya - what the actual fuck
yea so I brought this up 2 months months and months ago and told headmins, make jokes about it and thought nothing of it since it was not a big deal and didn't feel like it should be acted on.
Headmins were aware of it, multiple admins were aware of it, and nobody chose to do anything about it.
Kinda weird af that Ari chose to do something about this now when it was already talked about and ignored/dismissed
edit: it was 2 months ago 09/11/2019
Headmins were aware of it, multiple admins were aware of it, and nobody chose to do anything about it.
Kinda weird af that Ari chose to do something about this now when it was already talked about and ignored/dismissed
edit: it was 2 months ago 09/11/2019
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Re: [Arianya] Deedubya - what the actual fuck
I mean, if I was actually evading, and there was a time to act upon it, it was when I originally made my current ckey. It's not like I made any attempt to hide myself. Used the same staticnames, didn't shuffle my IP/use a VPN, nothing. If I was evading a legitimate appearance ban, it should have been easy as piss to reapply it as soon as I switched ckeys. Aren't admins made aware of multiple ckeys coming from the same IP? I was always under the impression that they were.NikNakFlak wrote:yea so I brought this up 2 months months and months ago and told headmins, make jokes about it and thought nothing of it since it was not a big deal and didn't feel like it should be acted on.
Headmins were aware of it, multiple admins were aware of it, and nobody chose to do anything about it.
Kinda weird af that Ari chose to do something about this now when it was already talked about and ignored/dismissed
edit: it was 2 months ago 09/11/2019
Either way, I can't comprehend why a note so stale it's developing it's own ecosystem would be brought up now. The only thing I can even imagine is petty grudge bullshit, and I can't even come up with a reason for them to hold a grudge either. Was it because I disagreed with them in a shitposting subforum? I seriously don't get it.
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Re: [Arianya] Deedubya - what the actual fuck
I'm waiting for some deployment images to build, so I figured I'd pull some logs and records.
You played exclusively as ssjdarkwarrior from 2015-07-03 until 2018-08-14, the day of your appearance ban.
That day, you created a new byond account, deedubya.
The first time deedubya makes an appearance on our servers is the day after the appearance ban was applied:
This was nearly a year after it was last used on our servers. Curiously, you did so on the same day but a few hours after the expiration of deedubya's most recent 24 hour server ban.
Obviously not a case of ban evasion, but certainly interesting timing.
I initially pulled all of this because I was skeptical of the merits of Arianya's ban. Having found the above, I think it's fair for you to object to the delayed action but none of this points to good faith on your part.
You played exclusively as ssjdarkwarrior from 2015-07-03 until 2018-08-14, the day of your appearance ban.
That day, you created a new byond account, deedubya.
The first time deedubya makes an appearance on our servers is the day after the appearance ban was applied:
You most recently logged onto our servers using ssjdarkwarrior on 2019-08-20 during round 116597 on Sybil, 20 seconds after logging out as deedubya:deedubya wrote: I don't have the password for that account anymore
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[2019-08-20 21:02:29.628] Starting up round ID 116597.
[2019-08-20 21:47:35.441] ACCESS: Login: Deedubya from [REDACTED] || BYOND v512.1474
[2019-08-20 21:47:35.611] ACCESS: Mob Login: Deedubya/(Deedubya) was assigned to a /mob/dead/new_player
[2019-08-20 21:47:35.614] GAME: Deedubya/(Deedubya) Client Deedubya/(Deedubya) has taken ownership of mob Deedubya(/mob/dead/new_player) (start area (8, 174, 1))
[2019-08-20 21:48:39.869] ACCESS: Logout: Deedubya/(Deedubya)
[2019-08-20 21:48:39.870] GAME: Deedubya[DC]/(Deedubya) Deedubya[DC]/(Deedubya) is no longer owning mob Deedubya(/mob/dead/new_player) (start area (8, 174, 1))
[2019-08-20 21:48:59.806] ACCESS: Login: Ssjdarkwarrior from [REDACTED] || BYOND v512.1474
[2019-08-20 21:48:59.989] ACCESS: Mob Login: Ssjdarkwarrior/(Ssjdarkwarrior) was assigned to a /mob/dead/new_player
[2019-08-20 21:48:59.992] GAME: Ssjdarkwarrior/(Ssjdarkwarrior) Client Ssjdarkwarrior/(Ssjdarkwarrior) has taken ownership of mob Ssjdarkwarrior(/mob/dead/new_player) (start area (8, 174, 1))
[2019-08-20 21:50:28.112] ACCESS: Logout: Ssjdarkwarrior/(Ssjdarkwarrior)
[2019-08-20 21:50:28.113] GAME: Ssjdarkwarrior[DC]/(Ssjdarkwarrior) Ssjdarkwarrior[DC]/(Ssjdarkwarrior) is no longer owning mob Ssjdarkwarrior(/mob/dead/new_player) (start area (8, 174, 1))
Obviously not a case of ban evasion, but certainly interesting timing.
I initially pulled all of this because I was skeptical of the merits of Arianya's ban. Having found the above, I think it's fair for you to object to the delayed action but none of this points to good faith on your part.
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Re: [Arianya] Deedubya - what the actual fuck
A. Fuck you, Loli Catgirl is a shit name unless you're a clown/mime/wizard. Picking the "same but slightly different" name is not as clever or unique as you think and just showed me that you couldn't be trusted to make good name choices.
B. That WAS intended to be a temporary appearance ban but there was not an option to give those a duration.
B. That WAS intended to be a temporary appearance ban but there was not an option to give those a duration.
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Re: [Arianya] Deedubya - what the actual fuck
I'll be the first to admit, that does look incredibly fishy on my part having actually seen the hard evidence. The timeline does match up with what I remember, though. I recall starting to change my online handle to Dee Dubya(less cringey version of my old SN, darkwarrior) around the time that CB2 on Maplestory 2 was ending(Aug 1st 2018). Before that, I was using randomnames for my discord, and needed a new reliable static name for people to add; since I was going to be a GM going forward and needed people to add me reliably. I have several people who can corroborate that, if necessary. Best I can ask for in that regard is for people to believe me or believe witnesses(if they're asked for and questioned). That being said, I wasn't given any punishment at the time of it occurring, or at all during the month or so I continued to play afterwards. It seems in incredibly poor taste to suddenly bring up that single note well over a year afterwards.capn_monkeypaw wrote:-snipped for space-
As for the random log in this year, your guess is as good as mine. I do know that the password for that account was saved on my old PC's BYOND client, so it's entirely possible I could have logged into it for any number of reasons. Could have even been drunk off my tits at the time, I've been known to play this game wasted on rare occasions. I finished my new PC build at the end of August this year(with dated photos if any admin requests them) so that date seems to match up as well. If anyone's logged into that account since, it certainly hasn't been me, since that PC hasn't had an internet connection as of September.
To be clear, I want to be as transparent and honest about the old ckey as possible, as I'm aware that having more than one is heavily frowned upon. Actually, on that topic, I'd like to formally request that "ssjdarkwarrior" be permabanned. Given the power of hindsight, I probably should have asked for this to be done over a year ago. I'll own that mistake 100%, and apologize for any confusion or smokescreening this may have caused.
Agreed. That's why I changed it immediately upon being told to. I think I remember being under the impression at the time that felinids had more relaxed naming conventions, but obviously that was too far and I deserved that warning. I've always had slightly memey names as a non-clown/mine/borg, but it only took like a round or two of playing with that one and being bwoinked about it to go "yeah okay maybe I was being retarded".Nabski wrote:A. Fuck you, Loli Catgirl is a shit name unless you're a clown/mime/wizard.
Hard disagree. I remember this event a little better now that all the logs have been presented(and had a decent night's sleep). Acceptable naming conventions at the time had names like "Pepper Oni" and "Oldman Robustin" as valid under the naming policy. The admin that originally warned me didn't have an issue with the new name, and in over a week of playing with the new name you seemed to be the only one that had an issue. I recall even trying to reach a compromise with you on the spot after citing all that, but you weren't having any of it - which I'd find out a few months later that this was a common issue.Picking the "same but slightly different" name is not as clever or unique as you think and just showed me that you couldn't be trusted to make good name choices.
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Re: [Arianya] Deedubya - what the actual fuck
While it's not actually relevant to the appeal itself, since I know certain people get antsy about the impression of "being banned for disagreeing with admin!!" - I'll note this ban was placed before any discussion in NTR Hut between myself and deedubya. That said, I'll break this down into subsections:
Why look into deedubya?
Why ban deedubya?
The ban itself
NikNakFlak's Comment
In summary: I won't be approving this appeal - aside from the fact that it would be unfair to players who haven't ban evaded, I find certain parts of your appeal, at best, disingenuous and which in a negative light would be seen as lying in an appeal. A headmin is of course welcome to overrule or comment on the ban if they so choose.
That said, I can empathise that part of the reason you evaded may have been embarrassment at having a ban/note on your record which noted your desire to play as "Loli Catgirl" or "Loli Nekoshoujo" - we've all done dumb things in the heat of the moment which we later regret, so I would offer to modify the note on this new ban to instead read:
Why look into deedubya?
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
That said, I can empathise that part of the reason you evaded may have been embarrassment at having a ban/note on your record which noted your desire to play as "Loli Catgirl" or "Loli Nekoshoujo" - we've all done dumb things in the heat of the moment which we later regret, so I would offer to modify the note on this new ban to instead read:
in order to not cause you undue embarassment in future admin interactions. If you approve of this revised wording, or you have alternative wording in mind, I'm happy to alter the note to that effect.Banned from Roles: Appearance permanently - Evaded an appearance ban on alt account ssjdarkwarrior a day after it was placed for improper naming. That ban was originally timed to end after a month but since you couldn't go a single day without evading it, this one is permanent.
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Re: [Arianya] Deedubya - what the actual fuck
This is actually the exact topic I suspected caused the problem. Although the reasons I suspected were different from what you've given, and I'm not entirely unconvinced that this witchhunt wasn't sparked because you felt slighted during the verbal tussle that followed. That being said, I'll go against my gut instinct here and give you the benefit of the doubt when you say you weren't acting in bad faith.Arianya wrote:Why look into deedubya?Spoiler:
To continue the theme of total transparency here: The reason I made that comment was mostly because of the (SEQUEL PENDING)note appeal process I went through recently. Because I have strong reason to believe that poorly justified notes like that can and do get acted upon when it's required to justify harsher punishments. I don't want anyone to have to take that sort of treatment with no recourse, not just myself.
While I am already aware of how bad the times and dates look, they're also not inconsistent with my reasoning thus far, of me being in the middle of a username transition at the time and it being (very, very poorly timed)coincidence. To that point, even my forum username was registered on that same date, which is very clearly deedubya. I should note that up until two days ago, the ckey paired with that account was ssjdarkwarrior. I hate to lean on him again, but I'm 100% certain MSO can corroborate that if asked, since I specifically asked him how to change it over forum PM. But that should further show that I had no intent of actually evading a ban.Why ban deedubya?The ban itselfSpoiler:Spoiler:
The convo ended a couple days ago, which is when my ckey on the forum DB was finally updated to deedubya.
small aside: This part doesn't have any basis in fact, but it honestly feels a bit insulting that I was accused of evasion. I do fully understand why you'd come to that conclusion, but honestly? If I really wanted to evade the ban, I'd have changed my IP and spoofed my HWID, as well as waited a few days. Much less use the same staticnames I was using previously, or having my old ckey linked to a forum account named after my new ckey. I know you don't know me very well, but I'm not such a monumental retard that I'd attempt to genuinely evade while actively sabotaging any hope I'd have of it going unnoticed.
I'd just like to clarify. I think you misunderstood the part where I said I was "embarrassed by an old name". It wasn't in reference to a goofy name that I used in a horizontal spessmen simulator. It was in reference to the horrifyingly edgy username I still had - an artifact of my teenage years in the mid-00s. I didn't create the new account because I was embarrassed about "loli catgirls", I created it because I had long since disassociated myself from "ssjdarkwarriorxxx420blazeFAZExxx". (slight exaggeration but you get the idea)In summary: I won't be approving this appeal - aside from the fact that it would be unfair to players who haven't ban evaded, I find certain parts of your appeal, at best, disingenuous and which in a negative light would be seen as lying in an appeal. A headmin is of course welcome to overrule or comment on the ban if they so choose.
That said, I can empathise that part of the reason you evaded may have been embarrassment at having a ban/note on your record which noted your desire to play as "Loli Catgirl" or "Loli Nekoshoujo" - we've all done dumb things in the heat of the moment which we later regret
However, I do understand why you'd come to the conclusion that I was intentionally evading. You don't know me, my personality, my morals, my intelligence, or my methods. Given the evidence you have before you, it's actually not hard to see how you came to that conclusion. Technically speaking, I actually did evade the original ban(regardless of it's validity), since the ban was never reapplied to my new account despite my efforts at the time of having full transparency(short of actually informing admins at the time, that was also my bad).
If I may offer a compromise: I can't say I'd be happy to do so, but I'd be willing to simply sit out the original one month appearance ban that I never served due to the creation of the new account. I don't believe that ban held any validity, and I think it's clear to all involved that it has no bearing on my current character even if it did. However, through my own error in not directly informing the admins at the time of my change in ckey(despite no other attempt made to hide it), I wound up not serving the ban, or going through the proper appeal process to have it lifted. So regardless of my own incompetence or clerical error, I think it's fair to say I should serve what's left of that ban.
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Re: [Arianya] Deedubya - what the actual fuck
Implying or outright claiming that the ban was done in bad faith is kind of minuscule for the purpose of the appeal. It should really be focused on that fact that OP, whether intentionally or not, has been evading a ban.
If a ban is not removed, it seems quite unfair to blame an admin for enforcing it as a "live" ban (because it is), especially after several admins + headmins supposedly knew about it and still did not ratify it within the database. That said, if you believe the new ban was placed in bad faith, you should make a complaint about that rather than diluting the appeal.
If a ban is not removed, it seems quite unfair to blame an admin for enforcing it as a "live" ban (because it is), especially after several admins + headmins supposedly knew about it and still did not ratify it within the database. That said, if you believe the new ban was placed in bad faith, you should make a complaint about that rather than diluting the appeal.
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Re: [Arianya] Deedubya - what the actual fuck
when I said headmins what I really meant was karp
either way
either way
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Re: [Arianya] Deedubya - what the actual fuck
I took a day or so to consider this and mull over your response.
While I appreciate your candour, it doesn't really dissuade me from the conclusion that you intended to evade when you connected with deedubya for the first time, 30 minutes after your appearance ban. I appreciate you may disagree with that conclusion being drawn, but in applying the test of "beyond a reasonable doubt", I can't find any reasoning for you to have changed your name with such acute timing other then to evade your appearance ban. Ignoring that fact would be grossly unfair to other players who have received bans for evasion and as previously noted, there's no statute of limitations on this kind of thing.
As a result I'm going to reaffirm that I'm denying the appeal, subject to headmin oversight. Given that you didn't comment on it specifically I'm guessing the note content isn't at issue, so I'll leave it as is. The only other note I would make is that I'll give leave to appeal after 3 months, presuming a headmin doesn't otherwise intervene.
While I appreciate your candour, it doesn't really dissuade me from the conclusion that you intended to evade when you connected with deedubya for the first time, 30 minutes after your appearance ban. I appreciate you may disagree with that conclusion being drawn, but in applying the test of "beyond a reasonable doubt", I can't find any reasoning for you to have changed your name with such acute timing other then to evade your appearance ban. Ignoring that fact would be grossly unfair to other players who have received bans for evasion and as previously noted, there's no statute of limitations on this kind of thing.
As a result I'm going to reaffirm that I'm denying the appeal, subject to headmin oversight. Given that you didn't comment on it specifically I'm guessing the note content isn't at issue, so I'll leave it as is. The only other note I would make is that I'll give leave to appeal after 3 months, presuming a headmin doesn't otherwise intervene.
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Re: [Arianya] Deedubya - what the actual fuck
Well, with that in mind, I'll leave these final notes for whichever headmin decides to resolve this, to take into account when deciding on if they should overrule it or not:
The evasion in question occurred because of my negligence: That being I did not immediately inform admins that I was switching ckeys at the time. However, I otherwise made zero attempt at hiding my switch. Same staticnames, same IP, still had my old ckey linked to a forum account named after my new ckey. I doubt you'll believe me when I say that the evasion was unintentional, but the reason I keep saying it is because it's the honest truth. I'd probably have done far less damage to my credibility if I'd just said "yeah I dodged it on purpose, but I've improved since then etc etc" but the reason I choose not to is because I don't want to be disingenuous. I'm many things in these appeals; brash, arrogant, and indignant, but never dishonest - even if the truth sounds unbelievable compared to the more likely story.
If we go by the original intent of the ban being evaded in question, I technically haven't been evading the ban for well over a year now. If the ban was intended to be removed after a month, it shouldn't be classified as a "live ban" for the purposes of reapplying it. Most importantly however, is the fact that even if the original ban was valid to begin with, it certainly isn't representative of me as a player recently - or at all since the ban was applied, actually. I've had a grand total of zero notes/warnings relating to that topic since I started playing on my current ckey; which as pointed out was shortly after the original ckey received the ban. If there was any behavior that needed correcting when the ban was placed, it's long since been corrected.
Finally - despite the note being completely irrelevant to my current standing - I still offered to serve out the remainder of the original 1 month ban period as a show of good faith upon learning Aria's side of the story, rather than arguing for a complete removal due to the ban being placed over a note/ban so stale it's probably started growing mold.
I think the fact that a not-insignificant number of admins and headmins learned of this and chose to overlook it should be evidence of these points. The fact that it was never on record per se is likely due to the obvious fact: Do you make an official record whenever you chose not to take administrative action against someone? Inaction doesn't necessitate bookkeeping, so someone choosing to pardon the issue wouldn't feel it necessary to enter it into official record. This is what I believe occurred each time this was previously brought up, and the likely reason why Aria never saw an "official statement". Although, I'll offer one last rebuttal to a statement made, which supports this point.
The evasion in question occurred because of my negligence: That being I did not immediately inform admins that I was switching ckeys at the time. However, I otherwise made zero attempt at hiding my switch. Same staticnames, same IP, still had my old ckey linked to a forum account named after my new ckey. I doubt you'll believe me when I say that the evasion was unintentional, but the reason I keep saying it is because it's the honest truth. I'd probably have done far less damage to my credibility if I'd just said "yeah I dodged it on purpose, but I've improved since then etc etc" but the reason I choose not to is because I don't want to be disingenuous. I'm many things in these appeals; brash, arrogant, and indignant, but never dishonest - even if the truth sounds unbelievable compared to the more likely story.
If we go by the original intent of the ban being evaded in question, I technically haven't been evading the ban for well over a year now. If the ban was intended to be removed after a month, it shouldn't be classified as a "live ban" for the purposes of reapplying it. Most importantly however, is the fact that even if the original ban was valid to begin with, it certainly isn't representative of me as a player recently - or at all since the ban was applied, actually. I've had a grand total of zero notes/warnings relating to that topic since I started playing on my current ckey; which as pointed out was shortly after the original ckey received the ban. If there was any behavior that needed correcting when the ban was placed, it's long since been corrected.
Finally - despite the note being completely irrelevant to my current standing - I still offered to serve out the remainder of the original 1 month ban period as a show of good faith upon learning Aria's side of the story, rather than arguing for a complete removal due to the ban being placed over a note/ban so stale it's probably started growing mold.
I think the fact that a not-insignificant number of admins and headmins learned of this and chose to overlook it should be evidence of these points. The fact that it was never on record per se is likely due to the obvious fact: Do you make an official record whenever you chose not to take administrative action against someone? Inaction doesn't necessitate bookkeeping, so someone choosing to pardon the issue wouldn't feel it necessary to enter it into official record. This is what I believe occurred each time this was previously brought up, and the likely reason why Aria never saw an "official statement". Although, I'll offer one last rebuttal to a statement made, which supports this point.
Arianya wrote:I'll note that as far as I'm aware, no headmin has expressed an opinion on either this ban or the old ban - I don't claim to have omniscience and I wasn't aware of NikNakFlak having knowledge of it when my ban was placed, but either way there is no ruling (formal or informal) from a headmin on this matter as far as I can tell, hence I would disagree with Niknak's evaluation that it was "dismissed"
https://i.imgur.com/ttvHCIf.png (picture attached due to being a temporary hutpost and for added context if necessary)Nervere wrote:I swear, I think I remember finding his alt during my term, and we just decided we didn't care.
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What I'm saying is - this was probably brought up as a side-conversation at some point in adminbus, and no one really cared enough to do anything about it.
Not out of laziness of admins, just, something minor enough where it doesn't get touched.
NikNakFlak wrote:yea so I brought this up 2 months months and months ago and told headmins, make jokes about it and thought nothing of it since it was not a big deal and didn't feel like it should be acted on.
Headmins were aware of it, multiple admins were aware of it, and nobody chose to do anything about it.
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Re: [Arianya] Deedubya - what the actual fuck
As it's been nearly a full week without any comment by headmin, I'm resolving this.
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Re: [Arianya] Deedubya - what the actual fuck
on request of deedubya through forum pm i am now commenting on this due to, in his, words, "It seems silly that a ban with almost no major precedent set is allowed to be "resolved" by the same biased non-headmin that placed the ban to begin with."
my unbiased view of this ban is pretty much the exact same as arianya's. even if the ban evasion was due to negligence it'd be pretty unfair to those who haven't ban evaded.
in addition, there's several parts of this ban that are flat-out lies (namely the one where you said you don't have the password for ssjdarkwarrior, even though the connections suggest that you, in fact, do) which would have very easily thrown out the ban appeal entirely (although for some reason this time it's different?)
i'd also like to say that contacting MSO of all people about changing your username is a bit of a perplexing move, although maybe that's just me.
so, again, the answer is "no". i'm going to assume this appeal is resolved resolved now
my unbiased view of this ban is pretty much the exact same as arianya's. even if the ban evasion was due to negligence it'd be pretty unfair to those who haven't ban evaded.
in addition, there's several parts of this ban that are flat-out lies (namely the one where you said you don't have the password for ssjdarkwarrior, even though the connections suggest that you, in fact, do) which would have very easily thrown out the ban appeal entirely (although for some reason this time it's different?)
i'd also like to say that contacting MSO of all people about changing your username is a bit of a perplexing move, although maybe that's just me.
so, again, the answer is "no". i'm going to assume this appeal is resolved resolved now
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