CoffeeDragon16 - Jackrip - An appeal to reduce ban length

[jackrip]

BYOND account: Jackrip

Character name: Korol Konets

Ban type: bagil / sybil temp ban

Ban length: 8 Days

Ban reason:

Time ban was placed: 12/03/2020 02:36

Server you were playing on when banned: Bagil

Round ID in which ban was placed: 151432

Your side of the story: The ban description is almost accurate, 7 people died in the SM, not 8. As a non antagonist I bolted open the SM when I heard there was a clown car and PDA'd cumbrain (the clown) that I had opened it. I had seen this done several times in the past, and figured he could drive out into space with essentially the same results, and didn't think the consequences would be too severe, but I was wrong. 7 people died in the SM in total, although 3 of those were from a brawl with cumbrain around the SM chamber that ensued post crash. Many of the people could have left / escaped but decided to try and push him in and got donked on by the clown. I was banned for 8 deaths.

Why you think you should be unbanned: I was banned per day day for each person that died, the ban note says 8 but 7 people actually died. However, 3 of those 7 people made a choice to willingly stay in the SM chamber to fight the clown. At the time I didn't regret my decisions (even saying "I regret nothing"), but as I have had some time to assess the situation I realized it was very wrong to round remove those players and self antagonize in the way I did. I regret my actions and will absolutely make sure this doesn't happen again in the future. I have missed some great rounds over the past 4 days and wish I had been there to experience them. I would like to see this ban be shortened to 4 days or so since the amount of people that immediately died to the SM was 4, not 8.

References of good conduct: Been playing on /vg/ and goon, haven't been banned on either or boinked. It has only been 4 days though so not sure this is relevant.

[CoffeeDragon16]

Here's a good timeline of relevant logs in the round:
Cumbrain/Remanseptim, clown in question ahelps to trade for traitor, and buys the clown car.

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[2020-12-03 02:26:54.016] GAME: Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) has gained antag datum Traitor(/datum/antagonist/traitor)
[2020-12-03 02:27:40.832] SAY: SolaAqua/(Gael Patterson) "Thank you for the fun ride, Cumbrain!" (Starboard Primary Hallway (165,131,4))                                                  (Pictured: Suffering)
[2020-12-03 02:27:41.693] SAY: Jackrip/(Korol Konets) "CUMBRAIN" (Central Primary Hallway (129,128,4))
[2020-12-03 02:27:45.938] SAY: Jackrip/(Korol Konets) "IM GOING TO BOLT OPEN THE SM" (Central Primary Hallway (129,128,4))
02:29:33 [0x2008004] (113,66,4) || the supermatter crystal has consumed the clown car - .
02:29:33 [0x2008004] (113,66,4) || the supermatter crystal has consumed Into_the_woods/(Victor Stewart).
02:29:33 [0x2008004] (113,66,4) || the supermatter crystal has consumed Tjatpbnj[DC]/(Acco).
02:29:33 [0x2008004] (113,66,4) || the supermatter crystal has consumed Anonymous13ify/(Jo Ro).
02:29:33 [0x2008004] (113,66,4) || the supermatter crystal has consumed Nopatap/(Cooper Patel).
02:29:38 [0x2008004] (113,66,4) || the supermatter crystal has consumed MarblesMarbles/(Ron Lemon).
02:29:38 [0x2008004] (113,66,4) || the supermatter crystal has irradiated R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) after consuming Ron Lemon.
02:29:38 [0x2008004] (113,66,4) || the supermatter crystal has irradiated I Can Hear Colors/(Zander Quirin) after consuming Ron Lemon.
02:29:40 [0x2008004] (113,66,4) || the supermatter crystal has consumed Kobolder/(Carper Jones).
02:29:40 [0x2008004] (113,66,4) || the supermatter crystal has irradiated R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) after consuming Carper Jones.
02:29:40 [0x2008004] (113,66,4) || the supermatter crystal has irradiated I Can Hear Colors/(Zander Quirin) after consuming Carper Jones.
[2020-12-03 02:29:45.728] SAY: Jackrip/(Korol Konets) "i regret" (Engineering (112,75,4))
[2020-12-03 02:29:46.654] SAY: Jackrip/(Korol Konets) "nothing" (Engineering (112,75,4))
02:30:33 [0x2008004] (113,66,4) || the supermatter crystal has consumed Raphael2033/(Default Cyborg-521).
02:30:33 [0x2008004] (113,66,4) || the supermatter crystal has irradiated R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) after consuming Default Cyborg-521.
02:30:33 [0x2008004] (113,66,4) || the supermatter crystal has irradiated I Can Hear Colors/(Zander Quirin) after consuming Default Cyborg-521.
[2020-12-03 02:31:53.536] ATTACK: I Can Hear Colors/(Zander Quirin) has died (BRUTE: 6, BURN: 73.4, TOX: 35.8233, OXY: 95.2, CLONE: 0) (Engineering (113,72,4))
[2020-12-03 02:33:17.744] ATTACK: R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has died (BRUTE: 0, BURN: 89.9, TOX: 58.5123, OXY: 64.2, CLONE: 0) (Engineering (123,68,4))

Looking at it more closely now for the appeal, I see there's a ninth victim. As you can see, nine people died from it, seven being from the Supermatter itself and two others from the radiation produced by it. Feel free to check the public logs yourself, even. And just because you saw other people do it doesn't mean its okay. It is self antagging, and anyone can be expected to catch a ban for this behavior. I don't find the space comparison relevant as one of them involves YOU being the one allowing for this murder, and space doesn't heavily irradiate people, or cause large explosions, or fires, etc. You can also see from the logs, and I can testify as I watched it happen, they weren't very much trying to put him or stay around in but rather beating him down. They had no choice to be there, because that is what clown cars do. Even if they could have escaped, the three that didn't immediately get fried still succumbed to massive damage from the conditions there, and with other factors like access and the fire that came up shortly after do not make that an excuse in the slightest.
It's good you've come to recognize your actions here as incorrect for the round, but that does not excuse what happened. At the end of the day, you self-antagonized, killing 9 people and round removing 7 of them. By breaking the rules, you have forfeited your right to enjoy the shifts you're now missing. You have an EXTENSIVE history of bans and notes, so unfortunately I cannot trust your goodwill here. I'm happy you've enjoyed other servers, but you must follow the rules of /tg/ to play here.

[jackrip]

As you can see, nine people died from it, seven being from the Supermatter itself and two others from the radiation produced by it.

4 people (and 1 soulless person) died immediately from the SM by falling into it. These all happened at the same time:

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02:29:33	ATTACK	Into_the_woods/(Victor Stewart) has died (BRUTE: 0, BURN: 0, TOX: 0, OXY: 0, CLONE: 0)	(112, 66, 4)	Supermatter Engine
02:29:33	ATTACK	*no key*/(Gael Patterson) has died (BRUTE: 45, BURN: 0, TOX: 0, OXY: 0, CLONE: 0)	(112, 66, 4)	Supermatter Engine
02:29:33	ATTACK	Tjatpbnj[DC]/(Acco) has died (BRUTE: 0, BURN: 0, TOX: 0, OXY: 0, CLONE: 0)	(112, 66, 4)	Supermatter Engine
02:29:33	ATTACK	Anonymous13ify/(Jo Ro) has died (BRUTE: 0, BURN: 0, TOX: 0, OXY: 0, CLONE: 0)	(112, 66, 4)	Supermatter Engine
02:29:33	ATTACK	Nopatap/(Cooper Patel) has died (BRUTE: 0, BURN: 0, TOX: 0, OXY: 0, CLONE: 0)

2 died getting pushed into the SM by the clown via movement or kept from leaving by the clown (clown walking into them) after the crash

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02:29:33	ATTACK	MarblesMarbles/(Ron Lemon) has slipped on the [PDA-Cumbrain (Clown)]	(112, 66, 4)	Supermatter Engine
02:29:36	SAY	MarblesMarbles/(Ron Lemon) "groovy"	(112, 66, 4)	Supermatter Engine
02:29:38	ATTACK	MarblesMarbles/(Ron Lemon) has died (BRUTE: 0, BURN: 13.7, TOX: 1.20694, OXY: 0, CLONE: 0)   (112, 66, 4)

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02:29:33	ATTACK	Kobolder/(Carper Jones) has slipped on the [PDA-Cumbrain (Clown)]	(112, 66, 4)	Supermatter Engine
02:29:38	ATTACK	Kobolder/(Carper Jones) has slipped on the [PDA-Cumbrain (Clown)]	(112, 66, 4)	Supermatter Engine
02:29:39	ATTACK	Kobolder/(Carper Jones) has slipped on the [PDA-Cumbrain (Clown)]	(112, 67, 4)	Supermatter Engine
02:29:40	ATTACK	Kobolder/(Carper Jones) has died (BRUTE: 0, BURN: 16.7, TOX: 1.21124, OXY: 0, CLONE: 0)	(112, 66, 4)	Supermatter Engine

2 died trying to kill / shove the clown into the SM. These 2 could have left at any time as the way to engineering and the SM was bolted open.
Zander was seen battling and trying to throw cumbrain into the SM a full two minutes after the initial crash:

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02:29:54	ATTACK	Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) has shoved I Can Hear Colors/(Zander Quirin) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 50.5) 	(112, 72, 4)	Engineering
02:29:55	ATTACK	Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) has kicks I Can Hear Colors/(Zander Quirin) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 50.5) 	(111, 72, 4)	Engineering
02:29:55	ATTACK	Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) has shoved I Can Hear Colors/(Zander Quirin) (NEWHP: 50.5) 	(111, 72, 4)	Engineering
02:30:02	ATTACK	I Can Hear Colors/(Zander Quirin) has grabbed Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) passive grab (NEWHP: 74.3) 	(111, 71, 4)	Engineering
02:30:17	ATTACK	Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) has pulled from R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) with Zander Quirin (NEWHP: 70.8) 	(112, 69, 4)	Supermatter Engine
02:30:17	ATTACK	I Can Hear Colors/(Zander Quirin) has grabbed Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) passive grab (NEWHP: 66.9) 	(113, 70, 4)	Supermatter Engine
02:31:22	ATTACK	I Can Hear Colors/(Zander Quirin) has grabbed *no key*/(Cumbrain) passive grab (NEWHP: -100) 	(114, 71, 4)	Engineering
02:31:24	ATTACK	I Can Hear Colors/(Zander Quirin) has grabbed *no key*/(Cumbrain) aggressive grab (NEWHP: -100) 	(114, 71, 4)	Engineering
02:31:28	ATTACK	I Can Hear Colors/(Zander Quirin) has thrown *no key*/(Cumbrain) grab from tile in Engineering (112,73,4) towards tile at Supermatter Engine (113,69,4) (NEWHP: -100) 	(112, 73, 4)	Engineering
02:31:28	ATTACK	I Can Hear Colors/(Zander Quirin) has thrown Cumbrain 

He finally died in engineering at 31:53, almost 2.5 minutes after the initial crash. Never tried to get medical attention.
Esteban fought the clown for just about 4 minutes before he succumbed to his wounds, all the while continually trying to drag the clown back to the SM to dust him.

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02:29:42	ATTACK	Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) has shoved R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) with into Zander Quirin (NEWHP: 80.9) 	(113, 71, 4)	Engineering
02:29:42	ATTACK	Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) has kicks R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 80.9) 	(113, 71, 4)	Engineering
02:29:44	ATTACK	Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) has grabbed R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) passive grab (NEWHP: 80.3) 	(113, 71, 4)	Engineering
02:29:46	ATTACK	Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) has grabbed R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 79.7) 	(113, 71, 4)	Engineering
02:29:46	ATTACK	Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) has broke grab R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) (NEWHP: 79.7) 	(113, 71, 4)	Engineering
02:29:47	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has shoved Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) (NEWHP: 80.2) 	(113, 70, 4)	Supermatter Engine
02:29:48	ATTACK	Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) has shoved R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) (NEWHP: 79) 	(113, 72, 4)	Engineering
02:29:50	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has stunned Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) with the police baton (NEWHP: 79.5) 	(113, 71, 4)	Engineering
02:29:50	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has slipped on the [PDA-Cumbrain (Clown)]	(111, 72, 4)	Engineering
02:29:53	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has punched Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) (NEWHP: 76.9) 	(113, 71, 4)	Engineering
02:29:58	ATTACK	Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) has kicks R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 77.1) 	(110, 71, 4)	Engineering
02:29:58	ATTACK	Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) has shoved R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) (NEWHP: 77.1) 	(110, 71, 4)	Engineering
02:30:04	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has stunned Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) with the police baton (NEWHP: 74.3) 	(112, 72, 4)	Engineering
02:30:07	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has slipped on the [PDA-Cumbrain (Clown)]	(114, 73, 4)	Engineering
02:30:09	ATTACK	Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) has kicks R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 74.5) 	(112, 73, 4)	Engineering
02:30:09	ATTACK	Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) has shoved R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) (NEWHP: 74.5) 	(112, 73, 4)	Engineering
02:30:10	ATTACK	Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) has grabbed R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) passive grab (NEWHP: 73.8) 	(113, 71, 4)	Engineering
02:30:11	ATTACK	Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) has grabbed R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 73.8) 	(113, 69, 4)	Supermatter Engine
02:30:14	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has stunned Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) with the police baton (NEWHP: 70.7) 	(113, 69, 4)	Supermatter Engine
02:30:15	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has grabbed Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) passive grab (NEWHP: 67.6) 	(113, 69, 4)	Supermatter Engine
02:30:17	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has grabbed Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 67.6) 	(113, 69, 4)	Supermatter Engine
02:30:17	ATTACK	Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) has pulled from R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) with Zander Quirin (NEWHP: 70.8) 	(112, 69, 4)	Supermatter Engine
02:30:19	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has slipped on the [PDA-Cumbrain (Clown)]	(113, 72, 4)	Engineering
02:30:27	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has stunned Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) with the police baton (NEWHP: 65) 	(113, 73, 4)	Engineering
02:30:28	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has attacked Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) with police baton (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 52.3) 	(114, 73, 4)	Engineering
02:30:29	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has attacked Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) with police baton (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 40.3) 	(114, 73, 4)	Engineering
02:30:30	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has attacked Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) with police baton (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 27.6) 	(114, 73, 4)	Engineering
02:30:31	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has attacked Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) with police baton (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 18.6) 	(113, 73, 4)	Engineering
02:30:33	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has attacked Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) with police baton (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 6) 	(114, 73, 4)	Engineering
02:30:35	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has stunned Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) with the police baton (NEWHP: 5.3) 	(114, 73, 4)	Engineering
02:30:37	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has grabbed Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) passive grab (NEWHP: -7.2) 	(114, 73, 4)	Engineering
02:30:39	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has grabbed Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) aggressive grab (NEWHP: -7.8) 	(113, 72, 4)	Engineering
02:30:39	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has slipped on the [PDA-Cumbrain (Clown)]	(113, 72, 4)	Engineering
02:30:47	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has attacked Remanseptim/(Cumbrain) with police baton (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -21.8) 	(115, 75, 4)	Engineering
02:30:47	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has slipped on the [PDA-Cumbrain (Clown)]	(116, 75, 4)	Engineering
02:30:50	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has slipped on the [PDA-Cumbrain (Clown)]	(114, 74, 4)	Engineering
02:30:55	ATTACK	*no key*/(Cumbrain) has pulled from Fajang/(Andre Echard) with Esteban Zoucks (NEWHP: 100) 	(117, 75, 4)	Engineering
02:30:55	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has grabbed *no key*/(Cumbrain) passive grab (NEWHP: -100) 	(116, 76, 4)	Engineering
02:31:01	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has slipped on the [PDA-Cumbrain (Clown)]	(113, 72, 4)	Engineering
02:31:02	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has slipped on the [PDA-Cumbrain (Clown)]	(113, 72, 4)	Engineering
02:31:03	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has slipped on the [PDA-Cumbrain (Clown)]	(113, 72, 4)	Engineering
02:31:14	SAY	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) "LEMME INJTO SM"	(112, 72, 4)	Engineering
02:31:20	SAY	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) "tLEMME SMESH"
02:31:15	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has grabbed *no key*/(Cumbrain) passive grab (NEWHP: -100) 	(112, 73, 4)	Engineering
02:31:17	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has slipped on the [PDA-Cumbrain (Clown)]	(113, 71, 4)	Engineering
02:31:18	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has slipped on the [PDA-Cumbrain (Clown)]	(113, 71, 4)	Engineering
02:31:21	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has slipped on the [PDA-Cumbrain (Clown)]	(113, 71, 4)	Engineering
02:33:17	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) has died (BRUTE: 0, BURN: 89.9, TOX: 58.5123, OXY: 64.2, CLONE: 0)	(123, 68, 4)	Engineering
02:33:17	ATTACK	R0b3r1c0/(Esteban Zoucks) Has whispered his final words with -39.8 points of health!

You can also see from the logs, and I can testify as I watched it happen, they weren't very much trying to put him or stay around in but rather beating him down.

As seen above this is false. One tried to throw him into the SM, the other specifically told others to open the SM while dragging him so he could throw him in.

They had no choice to be there, because that is what clown cars do. Even if they could have escaped, the three that didn't immediately get fried still succumbed to massive damage from the conditions there, and with other factors like access and the fire that came up shortly after do not make that an excuse in the slightest.

As seen above, the beginning folks indeed had no choice. The rest definitely did though. The fire that started was quickly solved by me (I set up the SM after the event to keep it from delamming) and didn't impact anyone as no one was in the SM at this time. Access does not matter as all the doors were bolted open. I believe these points do matter if you are contributing me to their deaths. They deliberately stuck around to murder the clown and dust him when they could have arrested / killed and left him then gotten medical attention. Instead you see them spending 4 minutes trying to dust the clown.

You have an EXTENSIVE history of bans and notes, so unfortunately I cannot trust your goodwill here.

Since you have besmirched my good name I feel the need to respond to this. I had 1 previous severe note over the past year, and it was from 8 months ago. Other than that I have 2 medium notes for accidents. This year I have two "good" notes (for good rounds), and a ton of things like self ban requests and antag token redeems. My first connection was SIX years ago, it makes sense that I would have a lot of notes, and the majority of them are from 1+ years ago. Besides the bolting open the SM fuckup I don't see any reason why you wouldn't trust me. When you boinked me I was immediately responsive and honest as well.

[CoffeeDragon16]

2 died getting pushed into the SM by the clown via movement or kept from leaving by the clown (clown walking into them) after the crash

This happened as a result of you bolting the SM open for the clown.

2 died trying to kill / shove the clown into the SM. These 2 could have left at any time as the way to engineering and the SM was bolted open.
Zander was seen battling and trying to throw cumbrain into the SM a full two minutes after the initial crash:

This happened as a result of you bolting the SM open for the clown.

He finally died in engineering at 31:53, almost 2.5 minutes after the initial crash. Never tried to get medical attention.
Esteban fought the clown for just about 4 minutes before he succumbed to his wounds, all the while continually trying to drag the clown back to the SM to dust him.

This happened as a result of you bolting the SM open for the clown.

As seen above this is false. One tried to throw him into the SM, the other specifically told others to open the SM while dragging him so he could throw him in.

This happened as a result of you bolting the SM open for the clown.

As seen above, the beginning folks indeed had no choice. The rest definitely did though. The fire that started was quickly solved by me (I set up the SM after the event to keep it from delamming)

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[2020-12-03 02:31:05.557] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: CoffeeDragon16/(Mythmi Aguilar)->Jackrip/(Korol Konets): Hey, what just happened with you and the SM chamber?
02:32:04 [0x2007ffc] (113,71,4) || Engine Coolant Bypass was turned off by Jackrip/(Korol Konets)

Not only did you not set it up beforehand, to which it is common knowledge that anything thrown into the SM before it's set delaminates it, you did this after I bwoinked you, showing me you did it as a result of that and not your own concern for the situation.

Access does not matter as all the doors were bolted open.

You still put these people in that situation, and even for those that got out alive, the severe radiation and damage to the supermatter, and the round removals far outweigh that.

They deliberately stuck around to murder the clown and dust him when they could have arrested / killed and left him then gotten medical attention. Instead you see them spending 4 minutes trying to dust the clown.

Gee, it's THEIR fault that they have to defend themselves from the clown who just killed 9 people from a situation YOU put them in, and was attempting to kill more, as they're rapidly dying already?

As for the last paragraph, your long-standing history and recent positive behavior only accentuates the severity of this situation. Being honest in an ahelp is only standard and otherwise results in punishment, that won't bring you benefit there. You absolutely know better by now. If you don't have any major points or new information, I will be denying this.

[jackrip]

This happened as a result of you bolting the SM open for the clown.

Yes, the deaths happened because I bolted open the SM.

Gee, it's THEIR fault that they have to defend themselves from the clown who just killed 9 people from a situation YOU put them in, and was attempting to kill more, as they're rapidly dying already?

It went beyond them defending themselves into being hell bent to dust the incapacitated clown's body on the SM instead of getting themselves treated. That there is my point, they went out of their way to stay in the SM chamber area, not get treatment, and die, because they had to dust the clown. I am asking to not be held accountable for those two eventual deaths that would have easily been prevented. That is why I would like to see the ban length reduced.

[CoffeeDragon16]

That there is my point, they went out of their way to stay in the SM chamber area, not get treatment, and die, because they had to dust the clown.

That is on fire and hazardous because of you, and they were dying because of you.

The ban will be upheld, and you will be expected to hold yourself to the conduct you've described yourself with once you return.