[Iansdoor/WalterMeldron] Istoprocent - Unjustified Note

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[Iansdoor/WalterMeldron] Istoprocent - Unjustified Note

Post by Istoprocent1 » #726190

BYOND account: Istoprocent

Ban/note type (Check what applies):
() - Server Ban
(X) - Note
() - Forum Ban
() - Discord Ban

Ban/note length: Indefinite
Ban/note reason: As an assistant, broke into the vault on metastation. and suicided after finding that the loot inside was deleted. The admins had deleted the loot because they had noticed the player suicide after grabbing the loot from the previous round when caught by security. Additionally, a pattern had been discovered where they broke into the vault on a regular basis on metastation. They admitted to doing this when they were a non-antagonist. Asked to stop breaking into the vault as an assistant at the start of the round and to instead communicate with or be the Captain/QM if they want to grab gear from the vault on a semi-regular basis.
Time ban was placed: 2024-04-11 17:10:41
Server you were playing on when banned: Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: 227039

Why are you making this appeal?(Check what applies):
() - The ban/note is factually incorrect
() - The ban/note is not against the rules
() - The ban/note needs modification
(X) - The ban/note was unjustifiably harsh
() - I was permabanned and I want another chance

Why should this appeal be accepted?: A little bit of backstory. I started a gimmick of going into the vault on Metastation for the drip and then proceeding to spend my rounds helping out the crew mostly by doing medical around the station. I did it whenever I was not a roundstart antag as the goal was not to optimize or powergame, but to look sharp. Most of the statics knew whats up and that I can be trusted not to spaz out nor validhunt. It was a gimmick that bothered no one, the safe's contents were uncontested before I started the gimmick as well as most of the time during it. Not to mention that it was always a clean break in and break out as I reset the safe, fixed/bolted/reinforced the door.

Now the round with security. Some newfriend was HoS and seeing a valid in vault, arrested me and the endgame was for me to be executed (which I eventually was). Rather than entertain the grief/torture RP I ghosted out as he was not open to communication and my fate was sealed.

The next round was a setup as the map was changed from Northstar to Metastation. I was not an antag and head to the vault. As I am getting in I saw Lenald Wabbite as QM and I knew that my round was probably going to be negatively impacted. I open the safe and its contents are gone. I suicide. I complain in deathchat about Lenald Wabbite taking the fun out of the game, which promtly gets me bwoinked by Iansdoor (Lenald Wabbite is an adminfriend who is playing Stardew Valley with some of them).

What could have been the reason for me to suicide and complain? In a vacuum of just two consecutive rounds the bigger picture might not be clear.

The thing is that the past few days there has been some metagaming / targetted griefing going on by Improvedname (Lenald Wabbite / Gaslights-The-People) who has been setting QM high on Metastation in order to rush the safe and thus take away my opportunity to do so. I have confronted them about it, but they are still adamant on doing so. Not to mention they gloated to Striders13 that they managed to get me to play QM on Metastation - as my only options are a) give up on the vault gimmick or b) set the QM high in order to be allowed to do my thing as well as talking negatively about me in the other rounds. Its kinda hard to turn to the adminteam if the griefer is one of their friends.

This is a Rule 1 p.2 note and it is harsh as I acted in good faith and did not impact anyone's round negatively nor took resources/hoarded essential things as I said the contents of the safe were uncontested up until Lenald started griefing me. I would like this note to be removed.
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Re: [Iansdoor/WalterMeldron] Istoprocent - Unjustified Note

Post by Maxipat » #726204

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Re: [Iansdoor/WalterMeldron] Istoprocent - Unjustified Note

Post by Waltermeldron » #726248

Istoprocent1 wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:58 am (X) - The ban/note was unjustifiably harsh
This note really is not unjustifiably harsh. It's just me telling you to stop doing this gimmick because you're doing it every metastation round as an assistant, breaking into the vault and taking all the loot. You claim that it's primarily for 'drip', but there are logs that show you using the tools gathered from the vault primarily for your own gain against antagonists. I chose not to include these logs in my ruling because they had happened in previous rounds that I couldn't guarantee the context of, which is why the note is being more generous by not mentioning you may have potentially used these for validhunting. Whether you were hunting antagonists or not, the problem is that you're doing this every round and that the vault is a highly secure location. You should not be breaking into a highly secure location on a consistent basis if your only reason is for 'drip' or to gear up for antagonists. I've pointed out in the note that it would be acceptable for you to continue doing this if you would communicate with the Captain/QM and get permission from them to grab the equipment from the vault instead of breaking into it yourself all the time.
Your excuse for that was that you did not want to waste the QM's time. If you don't want to speak to the QM, then you should just stop breaking into the metastation vault every round as a non-antagonist.

Logs of krokodil utilizing equipment from the vault to attack antagonists

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 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 21:40:59.227] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 21:40:59.383] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 21:41:25.610] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 21:46:09.357] ATTACK: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3331) has thrown the vault piggy bank . (Greater Starboard Maintenance (150,136,2))
 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 23:07:01.420] ATTACK: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3331) fired at [floor] with 9mm bullet from Starboard Primary Hallway (Starboard Primary Hallway (157,138,2))
 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 23:07:01.853] ATTACK: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3331) fired at [newscaster] with 9mm bullet from Starboard Primary Hallway (Starboard Primary Hallway (156,139,2))
 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 23:07:02.967] ATTACK: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3331) fired at [floor] with 9mm bullet from Starboard Primary Hallway (Starboard Primary Hallway (152,138,2))
 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 23:07:04.537] ATTACK: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3331) fired at [floor] with 9mm bullet from Starboard Primary Hallway (Starboard Primary Hallway (156,137,2))
 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 23:07:10.476] ATTACK: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3331) fired at [glass floor] with 9mm bullet from Starboard Primary Hallway (Starboard Primary Hallway (138,137,2))
 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 23:07:10.861] ATTACK: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3331) shot Spaghetter/(Mothership Upsilon Agent) with 9mm bullet (NEWHP: 100)  (Starboard Primary Hallway (138,137,2))
 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 23:07:11.452] ATTACK: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3331) fired at [navigation beacon] with 9mm bullet from Starboard Primary Hallway (Starboard Primary Hallway (137,137,2))
 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 23:07:12.128] ATTACK: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3331) fired at [glass floor] with 9mm bullet from Starboard Primary Hallway (Starboard Primary Hallway (136,138,2))
 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 23:07:12.829] ATTACK: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3331) fired at [glass floor] with 9mm bullet from Starboard Primary Hallway (Starboard Primary Hallway (135,138,2))
 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 23:07:13.333] ATTACK: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3331) fired at [floor] with 9mm bullet from Starboard Primary Hallway (Starboard Primary Hallway (134,138,2))
 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 23:33:20.670] ATTACK: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3331) fired at [hard hat] with 9mm bullet from Restrooms (Restrooms (133,160,2))
 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 23:33:20.672] ATTACK: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3331) shot BRUHSIF/(space carp (350)) with 9mm bullet (NEWHP: 40)  (Restrooms (133,160,2))
 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 23:33:21.334] ATTACK: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3331) fired at [floor] with 9mm bullet from Restrooms (Restrooms (133,160,2))
 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 23:33:21.795] ATTACK: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3331) fired at [floor] with 9mm bullet from Restrooms (Restrooms (132,160,2))
 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 23:33:21.799] ATTACK: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3331) shot BRUHSIF/(space carp (350)) with 9mm bullet (NEWHP: 10)  (Restrooms (132,160,2))
 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 23:33:22.229] ATTACK: Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (mob_3331) fired at [Unit 4] with 9mm bullet from Restrooms (Restrooms (132,160,2))
 
Logs of krokodil getting electrocuted over the course of various different rounds at the vault

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 Terry 227038 | [2024-04-11 14:46:46.823] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 227038 | [2024-04-11 14:46:52.906] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 21:40:59.227] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 21:40:59.383] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 227000 | [2024-04-10 21:41:25.610] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226932 | [2024-04-09 16:51:33.517] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 73.3)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226932 | [2024-04-09 16:51:50.281] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 73.3)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226873 | [2024-04-08 16:03:43.272] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226873 | [2024-04-08 16:03:47.564] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226873 | [2024-04-08 16:03:54.536] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226873 | [2024-04-08 16:03:54.738] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226838 | [2024-04-07 22:41:48.372] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226838 | [2024-04-07 22:41:48.771] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226830 | [2024-04-07 19:48:04.438] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226807 | [2024-04-07 11:14:40.431] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226807 | [2024-04-07 11:14:40.688] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226769 | [2024-04-06 20:39:21.605] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226769 | [2024-04-06 20:39:21.643] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226754 | [2024-04-06 15:45:19.721] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 89)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226713 | [2024-04-05 20:22:25.865] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 92.5)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226713 | [2024-04-05 20:23:19.353] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 92.5)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226704 | [2024-04-05 15:33:09.449] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226670 | [2024-04-04 23:29:12.874] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226670 | [2024-04-04 23:29:13.671] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226670 | [2024-04-04 23:31:50.447] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 56.7)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226670 | [2024-04-04 23:32:10.004] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 56.7)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226659 | [2024-04-04 18:55:41.889] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226659 | [2024-04-04 18:56:17.821] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226659 | [2024-04-04 18:56:18.038] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226659 | [2024-04-04 18:56:23.819] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226653 | [2024-04-04 16:11:27.690] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226653 | [2024-04-04 16:11:27.892] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226647 | [2024-04-04 12:40:48.620] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226647 | [2024-04-04 12:41:24.793] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226647 | [2024-04-04 12:41:24.993] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226647 | [2024-04-04 12:41:43.008] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226619 | [2024-04-03 21:29:01.943] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226619 | [2024-04-03 21:29:44.919] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226619 | [2024-04-03 21:29:45.478] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226619 | [2024-04-03 21:29:49.057] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226619 | [2024-04-03 21:30:12.041] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226603 | [2024-04-03 15:48:17.951] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226603 | [2024-04-03 15:48:48.669] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226603 | [2024-04-03 15:48:48.821] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226601 | [2024-04-03 13:39:30.480] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226601 | [2024-04-03 13:40:08.064] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226601 | [2024-04-03 13:40:08.254] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226542 | [2024-04-02 14:00:25.916] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 64.4)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226542 | [2024-04-02 14:01:13.434] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 64.4)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226490 | [2024-04-01 16:58:54.172] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226490 | [2024-04-01 16:59:35.687] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226490 | [2024-04-01 16:59:42.621] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226490 | [2024-04-01 16:59:45.809] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226490 | [2024-04-01 16:59:46.018] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226490 | [2024-04-01 17:02:15.320] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 55.8)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226490 | [2024-04-01 17:02:34.939] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 55.8)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226490 | [2024-04-01 17:02:41.040] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 55.8)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226479 | [2024-04-01 12:54:37.207] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226479 | [2024-04-01 12:55:17.781] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226474 | [2024-04-01 11:23:06.259] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: -0.8)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226443 | [2024-03-31 20:29:49.323] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226426 | [2024-03-31 12:48:40.521] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226396 | [2024-03-31 00:20:03.877] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226396 | [2024-03-31 00:20:36.101] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226396 | [2024-03-31 00:20:36.301] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226396 | [2024-03-31 00:20:44.829] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226384 | [2024-03-30 19:38:21.839] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226384 | [2024-03-30 19:38:22.057] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226384 | [2024-03-30 19:38:29.976] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226384 | [2024-03-30 19:38:39.707] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226380 | [2024-03-30 17:41:06.122] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226380 | [2024-03-30 17:42:34.141] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226380 | [2024-03-30 18:37:25.840] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 20)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226380 | [2024-03-30 18:37:48.354] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 41)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226326 | [2024-03-29 18:04:09.773] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226326 | [2024-03-29 18:04:09.924] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226286 | [2024-03-29 00:03:12.737] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226286 | [2024-03-29 00:03:49.119] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226234 | [2024-03-27 23:39:00.929] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226234 | [2024-03-27 23:39:01.569] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226234 | [2024-03-27 23:39:48.788] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226228 | [2024-03-27 22:15:49.910] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226215 | [2024-03-27 18:03:33.860] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226215 | [2024-03-27 18:04:21.310] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226215 | [2024-03-27 18:04:21.695] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226215 | [2024-03-27 18:04:29.721] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226215 | [2024-03-27 18:07:15.893] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226215 | [2024-03-27 18:07:16.645] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226212 | [2024-03-27 17:03:58.472] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226157 | [2024-03-26 17:37:47.081] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226157 | [2024-03-26 17:37:47.295] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226124 | [2024-03-26 00:57:21.563] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226124 | [2024-03-26 00:58:05.197] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226124 | [2024-03-26 00:58:13.045] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226124 | [2024-03-26 00:58:13.216] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226108 | [2024-03-25 17:11:36.562] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226070 | [2024-03-24 22:28:25.958] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 100)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226053 | [2024-03-24 17:57:59.063] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 6.6)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226053 | [2024-03-24 17:57:59.777] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 6.6)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 Terry 226053 | [2024-03-24 17:58:03.340] ATTACK: [Vault] () electrocuted Istoprocent/(Krokodil) (NEWHP: 6.6)  (Vault (83,160,2))
 
Istoprocent1 wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:58 am A little bit of backstory. I started a gimmick of going into the vault on Metastation for the drip and then proceeding to spend my rounds helping out the crew mostly by doing medical around the station. I did it whenever I was not a roundstart antag as the goal was not to optimize or powergame, but to look sharp. Most of the statics knew whats up and that I can be trusted not to spaz out nor validhunt. It was a gimmick that bothered no one, the safe's contents were uncontested before I started the gimmick as well as most of the time during it. Not to mention that it was always a clean break in and break out as I reset the safe, fixed/bolted/reinforced the door.

Now the round with security. Some newfriend was HoS and seeing a valid in vault, arrested me and the endgame was for me to be executed (which I eventually was). Rather than entertain the grief/torture RP I ghosted out as he was not open to communication and my fate was sealed.
Your gimmick did bother people though. As mentioned in the ticket, the HoS started hunting you because you broke into the vault and as soon as he managed to get you, you ghosted. You're ruining the HoS's experience by treating this like a game where you have to play as some super optimized gamer with no room for roleplay. You may see it as something harmless and that may be because you see the game as not a roleplay one, but the point is that you are harming the roleplay with your actions for the sole benefit of either 'drip' or to utilise the equipment against antagonists that attack you. When you choose to ghost as soon as being caught, that's you signalling that you don't care about the consequences of your actions, and you're talking about this HoS like he was in the wrong because you broke into the vault. No, that's just him properly playing his role, since assistants should not be breaking into vaults. The actions you take in ghosting are consistent with people who tide and ghost immediately after getting caught, it's not good for the roleplay. At the very least, wait for your punishment to be dished out, whatever it is. If you think it's torture roleplay, ahelp it because that's punishable by rule 8. If he's just going to kill you, let him do that before you ghost.
Istoprocent1 wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:58 am The next round was a setup as the map was changed from Northstar to Metastation. I was not an antag and head to the vault. As I am getting in I saw Lenald Wabbite as QM and I knew that my round was probably going to be negatively impacted. I open the safe and its contents are gone. I suicide. I complain in deathchat about Lenald Wabbite taking the fun out of the game, which promtly gets me bwoinked by Iansdoor (Lenald Wabbite is an adminfriend who is playing Stardew Valley with some of them).

What could have been the reason for me to suicide and complain? In a vacuum of just two consecutive rounds the bigger picture might not be clear.

The thing is that the past few days there has been some metagaming / targetted griefing going on by Improvedname (Lenald Wabbite / Gaslights-The-People) who has been setting QM high on Metastation in order to rush the safe and thus take away my opportunity to do so. I have confronted them about it, but they are still adamant on doing so. Not to mention they gloated to Striders13 that they managed to get me to play QM on Metastation - as my only options are a) give up on the vault gimmick or b) set the QM high in order to be allowed to do my thing as well as talking negatively about me in the other rounds. Its kinda hard to turn to the adminteam if the griefer is one of their friends.
I don't know what to tell you, Lenald Wabbite was pretty irrelevant to my ruling and still is. The QM has full authority to take the resources in the vault, it's their jurisdiction of roleplay. You have no right as an assistant to complain, and the fact that you'd suicide if the equipment in the vault was taken is showing me that you're willing to stop continuing the round if you don't get the drip you mentioned in the vault. Why is looking good dependent on whether you can continue the round or not? Why is it that a player can ruin your round by denying equipment that isn't rightfully yours? Why must the round be played exactly the way you want to play it?

Istoprocent1 wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:58 am This is a Rule 1 p.2 note and it is harsh as I acted in good faith and did not impact anyone's round negatively nor took resources/hoarded essential things as I said the contents of the safe were uncontested up until Lenald started griefing me. I would like this note to be removed.
Even if you were acting in the best of intentions, the note is not harsh in asking you to stop. Players acting in good faith can and will get bwoinked by admins if they're overstepping boundaries and lines and they will have to adjust their behaviour if they do not want the punishment to escalate into something worse. All you've had is a note since this is seemingly the first time you've been spoken to about this and that's because this behaviour was only noticed now by a plethora of admins in the round where you ghosted immediately after getting caught by a HoS and continued to do the same action that got you arrested next round. It's not because we're part of some Lenald Wabbite Cabal, I don't even interact much with him, it's because your behaviour is consistent and harmful to the roleplay experience as a whole.
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Re: [Iansdoor/WalterMeldron] Istoprocent - Unjustified Note

Post by Istoprocent1 » #726252

First of all the attack logs - the mothership agent came at me with a baton in the engineering and I was defending with what I had available rather than me going around looking to insert myself into situations in order to utilize the gains from the vault. You can see that I was shot with the minituarization gun and dropped all my gear shortly after, batonged and slept. Thankfully there were crew around to come to my aid.

Secondly - I did not instantly ghost out when arrested. I let the situation play out for around 5-6 minutes and only when it was clear that my round will be ended I opted to get out of the situation. They still got to execute me without me having to stay in that situation. Its like telling a moth player that "you have to let yourself milked, because otherwise you are ruining the milker's experience" with the caveat that for the moth the round would have been continued post milking, yet for me it was confirmed to be over. It doesn't matter whether somebody ghosts or not if they are going to die, unless we are after making sure that the killer gets their satisfaction, which would be kinda odd.

Thirdly - You can see from my previous rounds that I do the RP and its not like I treat this as a video game while wordlessly doing my actions that care for nobody else.

Fourthly - I am pointing out that me ghosting or suiciding didn't come out of the blue nor were they done in bad faith/NORP. I ghosted from an inescapable situation and suicided because I have been metagriefed by Lenald Wabbite over the previous rounds on Metastation.

The conversation started by Iansdoor was going after powergaming angle and you directed it towards Rule 1, since it became clear that my actions were not done in order to gain power. and it should have become clear that I wasn't going out of my way to make the game unfun to others. It is a harsh note as Rule 1 refers to being a griefer/dick. I have no issue in modifying my behaviour if I have gotten too close to the line, yet I firmly believe that this is an unjust/harsh note for actions that were justified in the moment.
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Re: [Iansdoor/WalterMeldron] Istoprocent - Unjustified Note

Post by Waltermeldron » #726262

I disagree with your last point and you are free to forward this to the headmins if you think the note was too harsh. But I don't think it was harsh at all as it's only documenting what happened and Lenald Wabbite isn't a good excuse anymore as to why you suicided because you couldn't get gamer gear.

Gearing yourself up to defend from antagonists is still utilizing the gains from the vault. The point of the logs was to show that it wasn't just all about drip as to why you were going to the vault as you had claimed in the ticket and as your gimmick. Otherwise, you would not be taking the weapons and the telebaton with you. It shows that this gimmick is not solely about drip. But the point is irrelevant anyways and it never made it into the note because again, I couldn't guarantee the context of the logs and your behaviour was still rulebreaking.

Your previous rounds don't particularly matter here much, I point them out to point out a pattern of behaviour consistent in doing this same sort of thing. I can only comment on what I saw for those two rounds that you did break into the vault where you suicided after being arrested. I'm asking you to stop doing whatever you did in those two rounds, which was wordlessly break into the vault and suicide if there's nothing inside. I'm telling you that ghosting out of an inescapable situation, aka right after being caught, is a lame ass thing to do and it's partially why we investigated this situation because people ghosting right after being arrested raises red flags.
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Re: [Iansdoor/WalterMeldron] Istoprocent - Unjustified Note

Post by Istoprocent1 » #726271

I didn't take the disabler other than a few times where cargo tech/acting QM were cool about me entering the vault and giving it to them, so it wasn't about me getting armed to the teeth and then going to defend myself against antags. I saw the baton and makarov as part of the cleaner/assassin drip. As I have pointed out I didn't broke into the vaults of other station eventhough say Delta station has a powerful pistol. It was the drip I was after.

I think my history of previous rounds do matter, since otherwise we are looking things in a vacuum and it does not give us the full picture what has been happening. I have gone into the vault countless of times. How many times have there been ghostings or suicides? How many times ahve there been ahelps about me disrupting the round of others?

As I said I have no issue in communicating more with QM/Captain who are acting in good faith nor modifying my gameplay. I ask for this note to be removed as it harsh and is not reflecting the whole situation and doesn't show that my intentions are good as well as my actions being a net positive when it comes to the experience of others.

What do headmins think?
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Re: [Iansdoor/WalterMeldron] Istoprocent - Unjustified Note

Post by Waltermeldron » #726282

This has been forwarded to the headmins.
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Re: [Iansdoor/WalterMeldron] Istoprocent - Unjustified Note

Post by Istoprocent1 » #726448

I have had some time to think about and looking at the situation at hand from an objective point of view I can add the following:

1) Ghosting at any point in time for any reason is not against the rules. The exceptions to that would be either a) when one is doing it to avoid conversion to team antag or b) when one is doing it to antag roll.
2) Suiciding at any point in time for any reason is not against the rules. The exceptions would be the same as ghosting.
3) One can exit the round without having to worry about it negatively affecting anybody else. The exception would be if they are a head or antag.

Looking at these facts its clear that I did nothing against what is allowed and neither of these actions should result in administrative actions being taken against me. Especially, when I had solid reasons for exiting the rounds on both occasions.

When it comes to the vault shenanigans flying under the radar for at least 38 rounds (which I was shocked in), in reality the number would be double, triple or even quantruple, its clear that my actions had next to no negative impact to everybody else's enjoyment of the game other than my own when putting myself into a Rule 4 situation. I acted in good faith and relied on peoples' good faith, which worked out for countless of rounds.

That being said the note, while being factually correct, is unjustified. A simple "hey, your vault shenanigans are getting stale, could you at least ask the captain or QM first" would have worked. There was no need to do me dirty by putting me in a situation where I was most likely to fail and then instantly hit me up with an ahelp of "gottem" style. We have to remember that all this started from me ghosting once, which "triggered many red flags", while it should have not triggered anything due to the fact that ghosting at any point for any reason is okay.
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Re: [Iansdoor/WalterMeldron] Istoprocent - Unjustified Note

Post by dendydoom » #726512

hello,

this is your first note in almost 4 years and your standing as a player has not been affected by this. it is a simple documentation of a discussion that happened asking you to please calm down on a gimmick that you have repeated a huge amount of times. this is a standard thing for admins to rule on when they become aware of it and feel that it is not in the best interests of the game to let it continue regularly.

in that sense, we do not find anything factually incorrect or unjustified about this note.

however, we can appreciate the stress it can cause to have a black mark on your otherwise spotless record. some players can take this in their stride, and for others it upsets them. in this specific instance where the outcome is practically unchanged, we are more than willing to set this to expire in a year from the date it was placed and have it removed from your record, under the condition that no further issues arise from this note specifically (ie, you continue doing the gimmick in exactly the same way after having agreed to change your behaviour which would create subsequent notes.)

notes like these stop becoming relevant after that amount of time anyway, and an admin that would base a subsequent ruling on a year old note that hasn't created any further issues would not be acting appropriately. thus, the outcome is more or less the same, but the compromise will allow you to return to a clean record if you keep your word.

thanks for your time.

dendydoom: uphold, but set to an expiring note for 1 year with the above conditions.
kieth4: +1
tattle: +1
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