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We should all get +DEBUG

Postby tacolizard » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:36 pm #332480

I can't tell you how many times it would've been useful to have this. Every contributer should have it. It would make finding bugs a lot easier. Are there really any reasons not to?
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Re: We should all get +DEBUG

Postby XDTM » Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:09 pm #332504

Very very abusable. Even if it's just view variables without edit, it lets you see all kinds of hidden information.
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Re: We should all get +DEBUG

Postby tacolizard » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:28 pm #332545

XDTM wrote:Very very abusable. Even if it's just view variables without edit, it lets you see all kinds of hidden information.


isn't VV part of another set of permissions?

i do see your point, but as long as you just make sure that the person who gets it has contributed at least a few PRs, there shouldn't be much of an issue. After all, it's easy to see if someone is abusing it
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Re: We should all get +DEBUG

Postby Atlanta-Ned » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:54 pm #332555

The entire testmerge process needs to be overhauled
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Re: We should all get +DEBUG

Postby kevinz000 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:55 pm #332580

Did you just ask for every person who coded to get the absolutely most dangerous admin flag second to permissions?
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Re: We should all get +DEBUG

Postby Shadowlight213 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:59 pm #332589

Can't you just like, test your pr locally first?
Also viewing variables is not under +DEBUG.
+DEBUG is stuff like mapping verbs and sqdl2 queries. As well as editing some more dangerous vars.
Also, you probably meant to post this here. viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32
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Re: We should all get +DEBUG

Postby Remie Richards » Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:15 pm #332597

short answer: no
long answer: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Re: We should all get +DEBUG

Postby Gun Hog » Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:49 pm #332620

I could probably win a bet on how quickly doing this would backfire! If you need to test something as a contributor, bug an admin to give you temporary permissions! Only maintainers have earned (most of them, anyway) the trust to not destroy the server faster than Kev and HBL at the same time.
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Re: We should all get +DEBUG

Postby BeeSting12 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:57 pm #332627

>be griefer
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>grief the server with debug memes
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Re: We should all get +DEBUG

Postby PKPenguin321 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:33 pm #332655

If you need temp coder rank for a testmerge (and it's a feature that can't feasibly be tested offline solo) just ask the headmins
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Re: We should all get +DEBUG

Postby Tokiko2 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:50 am #333706

It would be good if admins were encouraged to provide debug information when coders ahelp for it. Maybe a verb that lets admins pass a read-only VV window to a ckey.
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Re: We should all get +DEBUG

Postby lzimann » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:19 am #333718

Admins usually help, but no one really asks anything most of the time.
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Re: We should all get +DEBUG

Postby MrStonedOne » Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:27 am #333975

Tokiko2 wrote:It would be good if admins were encouraged to provide debug information when coders ahelp for it. Maybe a verb that lets admins pass a read-only VV window to a ckey.


This can be done easily.
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Re: We should all get +DEBUG

Postby tacolizard » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:06 pm #334103

I would delete this thread but I'm not a pussy.

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Re: We should all get +DEBUG

Postby MrStonedOne » Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:11 am #334278

Tokiko2 wrote:It would be good if admins were encouraged to provide debug information when coders ahelp for it. Maybe a verb that lets admins pass a read-only VV window to a ckey.


https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/30463 that was so easy i did it in the web editor
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