[Ban Appeal][Auralien3819] romanzc - Permabanned
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- Joined: Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:26 pm
- Byond Username: RomanZC
[Ban Appeal][Auralien3819] romanzc - Permabanned
Your Byond ckey: romanzc
Your character name: I think I use random names, so no idea.
Admin who banned you: auralien3819
Type of ban (What are you banned from?): pban
Ban duration: pban
Ban reason: https://i.imgur.com/Hve9ymU.png
Your side of the story: Skipping to the part where the bad things happen, earlier before I injected and stole his armor, I was on the hangar docks messing around, when I decided "hey, i wonder what if i punched a b18 guy, guy is not gonna take any damage at all from his armor" (no idea why i decided to do this, probaly was too bored, i dont even remember), so I went to him and punched him once in the chest. Apparently the B18 didn't like this at all and started punching me a lot. Responded back with punching him, so he pulls out a knife and starts stabbing me to death. I was saved, mostly because I horribly died infront of the medbay. Considering that this guy literally killed me over a single punch while he was on B18 armor, I decided to sedate him so that I could remove his limbs, so that he learns as a lesson to not be a shit and kill a guy over a punch that did no damage at all, but then I was PMed to not nugget him. Lied and said I was not gonna remove his limbs, and stole his armor instead and tried to offer it to the marines, but on my way to CIC on hope to find marines to give it, ended up getting mauled by xenos.
I dont remember anything else about this, so logs would be REALLY appreciated.
My reasons for lying was simply because I didn't want to get permabanned on the spot. I admit it was my fault for extreme improper escalation and lying to admins, but I still kinda feel that the B18 spec was also wrong and broke the improper escalation rule.
Why do you think you should be unbanned: Want to play again in this server, especially since it has been having lots of good updates. I promise I will try to not escalate things and not start fistfights for no reason, and use ahelps. I might probaly fail the use ahelps part, but I will try.
Your character name: I think I use random names, so no idea.
Admin who banned you: auralien3819
Type of ban (What are you banned from?): pban
Ban duration: pban
Ban reason: https://i.imgur.com/Hve9ymU.png
Your side of the story: Skipping to the part where the bad things happen, earlier before I injected and stole his armor, I was on the hangar docks messing around, when I decided "hey, i wonder what if i punched a b18 guy, guy is not gonna take any damage at all from his armor" (no idea why i decided to do this, probaly was too bored, i dont even remember), so I went to him and punched him once in the chest. Apparently the B18 didn't like this at all and started punching me a lot. Responded back with punching him, so he pulls out a knife and starts stabbing me to death. I was saved, mostly because I horribly died infront of the medbay. Considering that this guy literally killed me over a single punch while he was on B18 armor, I decided to sedate him so that I could remove his limbs, so that he learns as a lesson to not be a shit and kill a guy over a punch that did no damage at all, but then I was PMed to not nugget him. Lied and said I was not gonna remove his limbs, and stole his armor instead and tried to offer it to the marines, but on my way to CIC on hope to find marines to give it, ended up getting mauled by xenos.
I dont remember anything else about this, so logs would be REALLY appreciated.
My reasons for lying was simply because I didn't want to get permabanned on the spot. I admit it was my fault for extreme improper escalation and lying to admins, but I still kinda feel that the B18 spec was also wrong and broke the improper escalation rule.
Why do you think you should be unbanned: Want to play again in this server, especially since it has been having lots of good updates. I promise I will try to not escalate things and not start fistfights for no reason, and use ahelps. I might probaly fail the use ahelps part, but I will try.
- jimminian95
- Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:33 pm
- Byond Username: Aurelien3189
Re: [Ban Appeal][Auralien3819] romanzc - Permabanned
Aurelien here, reading your appeal this does take me back, and there certainly is some stuff to double check.
At the moment, I'm currently about to head to bed and lack access to the logs and notes, so I can't make an entirely clear analysis on how this measures. However I will say a big part of it was influenced by your history.
There have been several instances in the past, some fairly recent if I remember correctly that we discussed.
The problem was that it seemed there was a lack of incentive to learn or understand the root of what was wrong with these actions, but rather to try and follow the bare minimum, in this case, lying to staff and settling for other ways to try and get back at another player.
Albiet, the other player was playing extremely aggressively with improper escalation (repeatedly stabbing someone to the point of near death for punching), the guide here is to ahelp and point out the issue.
Remember, if a teammate attacks you out of the blue or you face outright grief, even if you're at death, it's better to ahelp it, as the staff can handle the rule breaking and provide heals if necessary.
The proper response is *not* to engage in the same rule breaking behaviour to get back at them, in this case, chasing them around the ship with sedatives before bring them in to attempt to delimb them, followed by looting and donning their gear. The problem wasn't just that you were wearing it too, but that you looted someone as part of an attempt to get even, it wouldn't matter if you were giving it away, it's still stolen gear, it's still griefing, essentially committing a smaller crime in place of a big one.
Reading your appeal, I'm not entirely sure if much has changed, I can understand having eager to be a part of the game as new updates roll in, though understanding the rules is another. It's not a checklist, it's a guideline, and a big part of it is hindering people from attacking other players or trying to sabotage someone's round.
Two wrongs don't make a right. It's not a matter of "Y fought X back, so X gets away completely Scott free", both are at fault, and it complicates things when the original victim becomes an offender, essentially stacking another situation to handle.
For now, I wish to remain skeptical, though I'd like to see if any other staff have a say on this one.
At the moment, I'm currently about to head to bed and lack access to the logs and notes, so I can't make an entirely clear analysis on how this measures. However I will say a big part of it was influenced by your history.
There have been several instances in the past, some fairly recent if I remember correctly that we discussed.
The problem was that it seemed there was a lack of incentive to learn or understand the root of what was wrong with these actions, but rather to try and follow the bare minimum, in this case, lying to staff and settling for other ways to try and get back at another player.
Albiet, the other player was playing extremely aggressively with improper escalation (repeatedly stabbing someone to the point of near death for punching), the guide here is to ahelp and point out the issue.
Remember, if a teammate attacks you out of the blue or you face outright grief, even if you're at death, it's better to ahelp it, as the staff can handle the rule breaking and provide heals if necessary.
The proper response is *not* to engage in the same rule breaking behaviour to get back at them, in this case, chasing them around the ship with sedatives before bring them in to attempt to delimb them, followed by looting and donning their gear. The problem wasn't just that you were wearing it too, but that you looted someone as part of an attempt to get even, it wouldn't matter if you were giving it away, it's still stolen gear, it's still griefing, essentially committing a smaller crime in place of a big one.
Reading your appeal, I'm not entirely sure if much has changed, I can understand having eager to be a part of the game as new updates roll in, though understanding the rules is another. It's not a checklist, it's a guideline, and a big part of it is hindering people from attacking other players or trying to sabotage someone's round.
Two wrongs don't make a right. It's not a matter of "Y fought X back, so X gets away completely Scott free", both are at fault, and it complicates things when the original victim becomes an offender, essentially stacking another situation to handle.
For now, I wish to remain skeptical, though I'd like to see if any other staff have a say on this one.
Last edited by jimminian95 on Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.
- Urytion
- Joined: Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:40 am
- Byond Username: Urytion
Re: [Ban Appeal][Auralien3819] romanzc - Permabanned
Let's see... you randomly punched a marine and are surprised when he punches back. Not your brightest moment. Your response to him escalating was to tranq him AFTER the fight, so that you can remove his limbs. Removing limbs takes them out of the round. You essentially wanted to kill them. The fact they can talk means nothing. You're also failing to mention your repeated use of the term "fucknugget" in adminhelps. You wanted him to learn a lesson to "not be a shit" by being an even bigger shitter and lying to admins. You stole specialist equipment, refused to give it back (from memory even when admins told you to), used it yourself as a civilian character. And you even say that you "might probably" fail to follow protocol if a marine escalates on you anyway.
Does that about sum up your appeal?
Does that about sum up your appeal?
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- Joined: Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:26 pm
- Byond Username: RomanZC
Re: [Ban Appeal][Auralien3819] romanzc - Permabanned
1. He had B18 armor, and I punched him like once or twice on the chest. Still, really retardad decision, but it was B18 so I think it was 1 or 0.5 points of brute damage. I agree this was my fault.
2. I tranquilized him after the fight because he killed me, and I only got back on the round because I died infront of the medbay, and squad medics were nearby.
3. I mean that if I was getting shot by a marine, I would probaly tranqualize him, call a MP / synth / marine to help me, disarm, instead of letting myself getting shot to death while im ahelping, or ahelp after the attacker was neutralized / I was dead.
4. i heard "fucknugget" lots of times instead of just "nugget" so I assumed thats how people generally call people without limbs.
Though, I will try to follow the improper escalation rules, and ahelp when I get griefed. Im not used to be ahealed after being killed. Im gonna read the rules after I finish writting this.
I just want a chance to come back to the game, I could've ban evaded by now, I know how to do it, but I want to get in fairly. I also contributed for some reason.
2. I tranquilized him after the fight because he killed me, and I only got back on the round because I died infront of the medbay, and squad medics were nearby.
3. I mean that if I was getting shot by a marine, I would probaly tranqualize him, call a MP / synth / marine to help me, disarm, instead of letting myself getting shot to death while im ahelping, or ahelp after the attacker was neutralized / I was dead.
4. i heard "fucknugget" lots of times instead of just "nugget" so I assumed thats how people generally call people without limbs.
Though, I will try to follow the improper escalation rules, and ahelp when I get griefed. Im not used to be ahealed after being killed. Im gonna read the rules after I finish writting this.
I just want a chance to come back to the game, I could've ban evaded by now, I know how to do it, but I want to get in fairly. I also contributed for some reason.
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- Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:54 pm
- Byond Username: Trevoriousdafox
Re: [Ban Appeal][Auralien3819] romanzc - Permabanned
PM's between RomanZC and Aurelien.
When the first logs between Melvin Mason and Yumi Shibanuma started.
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
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- Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:54 pm
- Byond Username: Trevoriousdafox
Re: [Ban Appeal][Auralien3819] romanzc - Permabanned
I'm just gonna point out a few things I've noticed from log diving on this and from rereading it a few times.
First, you say it was one punch that started the incident.
But logs clearly show it was quite a few more times than just once.
Now I can understand you might not fully remember exactly how things played out, but you ALSO seem to chase them into the hanger while still hitting them and insulting them.
I don't think it was handled correctly by either player but Yumi at least seems to have tried to run and avoid the situation. Feel free to clarify anything but the logs say a lot to me.
Secondly and lastly, you admit to lying in the ahelp, and seem to have omitted or flat out lied in the appeal. While the honesty on why you lied in the ahelp makes things better.
Lying or omitting things in the appeal doesn't look too good. Also the attitude you seem to have in the ahelps and in general isn't stellar.
I am going to remain neutral on this for now.
First, you say it was one punch that started the incident.
But logs clearly show it was quite a few more times than just once.
Now I can understand you might not fully remember exactly how things played out, but you ALSO seem to chase them into the hanger while still hitting them and insulting them.
I don't think it was handled correctly by either player but Yumi at least seems to have tried to run and avoid the situation. Feel free to clarify anything but the logs say a lot to me.
Secondly and lastly, you admit to lying in the ahelp, and seem to have omitted or flat out lied in the appeal. While the honesty on why you lied in the ahelp makes things better.
Lying or omitting things in the appeal doesn't look too good. Also the attitude you seem to have in the ahelps and in general isn't stellar.
I am going to remain neutral on this for now.
- Kingtrin
- Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:29 am
- Byond Username: Kingtrin
Re: [Ban Appeal][Auralien3819] romanzc - Permabanned
After your last incident where you also over escalated as a synth I was actually going to permanently ban you, but I failed to to grab everyones logs beforehand. This made it difficult to ascertain the full context and I did not feel comfortable permabanning someone not knowing the full situation. I let you dodge a bullet and you received only a synthetic role ban. I did not expect you to change your behavior, and this permaban does not suprise me.
[23:14:38]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654)): He still deserved it
There is a lot to be said about the situation at hand, particularily the attitude noted above. Your behavior here reflects your past behavior which has left you noted and job banned many times over. You say you are gonna read the rules, and you don't read the rules. You say you will change your escalating behavior, and you still over-escalate. You initiate conflict with little to no reason, and are generally a headache to deal with. It seems like every time you got bored or frustrated you would forget about the rules and start fucking over other players.
You have already made promises in the past to ahelp and handle things better. There is no reason to believe you will keep your word now. We are not here to babysit people and tell them they are being naughty and give them chance after chance. You can't take our rules seriously, for what reason is beyond me, but its clear you can't. If we are to assume this is due to immaturity, and is not outright malicious, then here is my suggestion: Come back in a year with a server recommendation. I'm not going to believe such immaturity can go away after anything less than a year.
[23:14:38]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654)): He still deserved it
There is a lot to be said about the situation at hand, particularily the attitude noted above. Your behavior here reflects your past behavior which has left you noted and job banned many times over. You say you are gonna read the rules, and you don't read the rules. You say you will change your escalating behavior, and you still over-escalate. You initiate conflict with little to no reason, and are generally a headache to deal with. It seems like every time you got bored or frustrated you would forget about the rules and start fucking over other players.
You have already made promises in the past to ahelp and handle things better. There is no reason to believe you will keep your word now. We are not here to babysit people and tell them they are being naughty and give them chance after chance. You can't take our rules seriously, for what reason is beyond me, but its clear you can't. If we are to assume this is due to immaturity, and is not outright malicious, then here is my suggestion: Come back in a year with a server recommendation. I'm not going to believe such immaturity can go away after anything less than a year.
- jimminian95
- Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:33 pm
- Byond Username: Aurelien3189
Re: [Ban Appeal][Auralien3819] romanzc - Permabanned
After a few days without a reply, along with the converging opinions stated here, it may be time for this thread to come to a close.
I'm afraid to say that there's not enough evidence out here to say we can trust you won't resort back to the same bad behaviour. From your appeal itself, not only is the story re-told quite shifty, we don't have much to go by that you understand what you did wrong or if you've developed, aside from a footnote repeating an admin's instructions.
Even after the ban, we've seen the same attitude in terms of holding a grudge and lacking self reflection, even after an entire round thoroughly explaining the guidelines violated in these actions.
This appeal is denied for the reasons above, you can make another appeal after 30 days minimum.
Personally, I can understand wanting to play again, however, it's also necessary to learn self control as to avoid repeating mistakes and getting into even more trouble.
In the meantime, if you'd like to dedicate yourself to improve, you can always re-read our rules and talk to staff about proper guidelines and other forms of help.
Best of luck.
I'm afraid to say that there's not enough evidence out here to say we can trust you won't resort back to the same bad behaviour. From your appeal itself, not only is the story re-told quite shifty, we don't have much to go by that you understand what you did wrong or if you've developed, aside from a footnote repeating an admin's instructions.
Even after the ban, we've seen the same attitude in terms of holding a grudge and lacking self reflection, even after an entire round thoroughly explaining the guidelines violated in these actions.
This appeal is denied for the reasons above, you can make another appeal after 30 days minimum.
Personally, I can understand wanting to play again, however, it's also necessary to learn self control as to avoid repeating mistakes and getting into even more trouble.
In the meantime, if you'd like to dedicate yourself to improve, you can always re-read our rules and talk to staff about proper guidelines and other forms of help.
Best of luck.
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