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XSI · Post by **XSI** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:21 am #341494

Bottom post of the previous page:

Being born somewhere doesn't necessarily give you the right to claim that land
But it is a pretty big advantage and definitely helps

ShadowDimentio · Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:42 am

To the victor goes the spoils

Not saying it's very fair, but back when the US was founded and the natives were getting fucked they got off pretty easy all things considered for that era.

Incomptinence · Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:37 am

Waiver the Jones MERKIN ONLEEEE shipping act for Houston and Florida for disaster relief efforts.

Refuse to waiver in Puerto RIco because business interests.

Blah de dah, bad president.

Look at all the business opportunities!

starmute · Post by **starmute** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:49 am #341553

Incomptinence wrote:Waiver the Jones MERKIN ONLEEEE shipping act for Houston and Florida for disaster relief efforts.

Refuse to waiver in Puerto RIco because business interests.
Blah de dah, bad president.
https://i.imgur.com/9Ia1boF.jpg
Look at all the business opportunities!

I'm not going to argue morality here but I would bet if Puerto Rico got to vote (they are a territory instead of a state) he probably would change his tune.

Super Aggro Crag · Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:57 am

Puerto rico doesnt want to be a state

starmute · Post by **starmute** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:04 am #341556

Super Aggro Crag wrote:Puerto rico doesnt want to be a state

2012 statehood vote

Of those who answered on the second question 834,191 (61.11%) chose statehood, 454,768 (33.34%) chose free association, and 74,895 (5.55%) chose independence

Sounds like they want to be part of the US to me

Incomptinence · Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:49 am

Stupid Puerto Ricans wanting statehood they can't have.

Wonder how high the price of bottled water will go above the regular doubled price.

[youtube]nXDwIo5_AMo[/youtube]

Post by **oranges** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:15 am #341573

ShadowDimentio wrote:back when the US was founded and the natives were getting fucked they got off pretty easy all things considered for that era.

This is a joke comment right

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:23 am #341574

shadowmemes is incapable of ironic shitposting
he really means what he says

ColonicAcid · Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:37 am

ShadowDimentio wrote:To the victor goes the spoils

Not saying it's very fair, but back when the US was founded and the natives were getting fucked they got off pretty easy all things considered for that era.

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:41 am #341582

Why do the US still bother with Puerto Rico? Is there any actual advantage from having it as a territory, besides "more clay"? It seems to me that any profit you gain from it goes down the drain when such things happen, yes obviously you can refuse to send help but only for so long. Not to mention the constant threat to republicans in case dems reach power and make it a state. Could the US just unilaterally cut them free?

starmute · Post by **starmute** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:12 pm #341588

Grazyn wrote:Why do the US still bother with Puerto Rico? Is there any actual advantage from having it as a territory, besides "more clay"? It seems to me that any profit you gain from it goes down the drain when such things happen, yes obviously you can refuse to send help but only for so long. Not to mention the constant threat to republicans in case dems reach power and make it a state. Could the US just unilaterally cut them free?

If you claim clay you must support clay in theory. Currently we are seeing "in practice"

Also companies use the "territory" status of Puerto Rico to get away with some shadiness while still being in the US.

Also trump wanted to "buy it" back when he was campaigning.
https://www.tripsavvy.com/does-donald-t ... co-1622033

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:23 pm #341712

oranges wrote:
ShadowDimentio wrote:back when the US was founded and the natives were getting fucked they got off pretty easy all things considered for that era.
This is a joke comment right

I mean, compared to absolute extermination, I'd wager living in a shitty play pen at the crappy end of the yard is a step above.

lntigracy · Post by **lntigracy** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:26 pm #341713

the first ghettos

starmute · Post by **starmute** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:33 pm #341716

lntigracy wrote:the first ghettos

Ironicly the first ghettos were considered a step up for jews.

captain sawrge · Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:34 pm

wimbledon

ShadowDimentio · Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:34 pm

cedarbridge wrote:I mean, compared to absolute extermination, I'd wager living in a shitty play pen at the crappy end of the yard is a step above.

Exactly.

captain sawrge · Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:34 pm

ShadowDimentio wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:I mean, compared to absolute extermination, I'd wager living in a shitty play pen at the crappy end of the yard is a step above.
Exactly.

butter boy

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:35 pm #341721

starmute wrote:
Incomptinence wrote:Waiver the Jones MERKIN ONLEEEE shipping act for Houston and Florida for disaster relief efforts.

Refuse to waiver in Puerto RIco because business interests.
Blah de dah, bad president.
https://i.imgur.com/9Ia1boF.jpg
Look at all the business opportunities!
I'm not going to argue morality here but I would bet if Puerto Rico got to vote (they are a territory instead of a state) he probably would change his tune.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/us/j ... aived.html

ShadowDimentio · Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:35 pm

captain sawrge wrote:butter boy

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful

captain sawrge · Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:35 pm

starmute wrote:
Super Aggro Crag wrote:Jc denton did it in deus ex 2
Not the one I was thinking about but looked it up

Have my

"crag is right again"

you love to eat raw unwashed iceberg lettuce

captain sawrge · Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:35 pm

cedarbridge wrote:
starmute wrote:
Incomptinence wrote:Waiver the Jones MERKIN ONLEEEE shipping act for Houston and Florida for disaster relief efforts.

Refuse to waiver in Puerto RIco because business interests.
Blah de dah, bad president.
https://i.imgur.com/9Ia1boF.jpg
Look at all the business opportunities!
I'm not going to argue morality here but I would bet if Puerto Rico got to vote (they are a territory instead of a state) he probably would change his tune.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/us/j ... aived.html

stay your tongue vile pidgeon slaughterer

captain sawrge · Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:36 pm

lntigracy wrote:the first ghettos

you are a mud goblin and you bathe in acidic dirt and small pieces of plant detritus

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:49 pm #341728

captain sawrge wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
starmute wrote:
Incomptinence wrote:Waiver the Jones MERKIN ONLEEEE shipping act for Houston and Florida for disaster relief efforts.

Refuse to waiver in Puerto RIco because business interests.
Blah de dah, bad president.
https://i.imgur.com/9Ia1boF.jpg
Look at all the business opportunities!
I'm not going to argue morality here but I would bet if Puerto Rico got to vote (they are a territory instead of a state) he probably would change his tune.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/us/j ... aived.html
stay your tongue vile pidgeon slaughterer

More like winged rats tbh

starmute · Post by **starmute** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:43 pm #341747

cedarbridge wrote:
starmute wrote:
Incomptinence wrote:Waiver the Jones MERKIN ONLEEEE shipping act for Houston and Florida for disaster relief efforts.

Refuse to waiver in Puerto RIco because business interests.
Blah de dah, bad president.
https://i.imgur.com/9Ia1boF.jpg
Look at all the business opportunities!
I'm not going to argue morality here but I would bet if Puerto Rico got to vote (they are a territory instead of a state) he probably would change his tune.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/us/j ... aived.html

About goddamn time. Shit was getting ridiculous.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:53 pm #341751

Why would you even want Peurto Rico to be a state?
Aren't they still third world levels of poor? Wouldn't that seriously fuck up both their economy and yours? Federal minimum wage laws alone might kill off all the local businesses if they're poor enough

I'll admit I don't know much about the place. It's not really important to me or on the world stage

starmute · Post by **starmute** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:08 pm #341763

XSI wrote:Why would you even want Peurto Rico to be a state?
Aren't they still third world levels of poor? Wouldn't that seriously fuck up both their economy and yours? Federal minimum wage laws alone might kill off all the local businesses if they're poor enough

I'll admit I don't know much about the place. It's not really important to me or on the world stage

If you are the government you have a responsibility to the people you govern.

As far as the economy stuff goes: look at east germany and west germany when they reunited. The same argument was made (via reganomics!), it didn't pan out then and it wouldn't pan out now.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:36 pm #341774

Except East Germany had continued poverty for a long time and even today has a higher poverty rate than west Germany
Plus I find the idea that East-German businesses would go bankrupt a laughable one since they were under the communists

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:05 pm #341780

XSI wrote:Except East Germany had continued poverty for a long time and even today has a higher poverty rate than west Germany
Plus I find the idea that East-German businesses would go bankrupt a laughable one since they were under the communists

Not True Communism(TM)

Screemonster · Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:15 pm

cedarbridge wrote:
captain sawrge wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
starmute wrote:
Incomptinence wrote:Waiver the Jones MERKIN ONLEEEE shipping act for Houston and Florida for disaster relief efforts.

Refuse to waiver in Puerto RIco because business interests.
Blah de dah, bad president.
https://i.imgur.com/9Ia1boF.jpg
Look at all the business opportunities!
I'm not going to argue morality here but I would bet if Puerto Rico got to vote (they are a territory instead of a state) he probably would change his tune.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/us/j ... aived.html
stay your tongue vile pidgeon slaughterer
More like winged rats tbh

hey, don't go lumping rats in with those feathered shitheads

Incomptinence · Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:55 pm

cedarbridge wrote:
starmute wrote:
Incomptinence wrote:Waiver the Jones MERKIN ONLEEEE shipping act for Houston and Florida for disaster relief efforts.

Refuse to waiver in Puerto RIco because business interests.
Blah de dah, bad president.
https://i.imgur.com/9Ia1boF.jpg
Look at all the business opportunities!
I'm not going to argue morality here but I would bet if Puerto Rico got to vote (they are a territory instead of a state) he probably would change his tune.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/us/j ... aived.html

good

Edit: However I am not sure a 10 day waver is long enough for a territory that was bankrupt in the first place then basically trampled by the weather.

Half the water supply is straight up fucked and was dodgy to begin with. People are drinking ground water and their shitty most toxic in us leaky old pipes are letting ground water and crap in while the pressure is gone.

Like the Flint and Ganges rivers had a baby.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:04 am #341919

Incomptinence wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
starmute wrote:
Incomptinence wrote:Waiver the Jones MERKIN ONLEEEE shipping act for Houston and Florida for disaster relief efforts.

Refuse to waiver in Puerto RIco because business interests.
Blah de dah, bad president.
https://i.imgur.com/9Ia1boF.jpg
Look at all the business opportunities!
I'm not going to argue morality here but I would bet if Puerto Rico got to vote (they are a territory instead of a state) he probably would change his tune.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/us/j ... aived.html
good

Edit: However I am not sure a 10 day waver is long enough for a territory that was bankrupt in the first place then basically trampled by the weather.

Half the water supply is straight up fucked and was dodgy to begin with. People are drinking ground water and their shitty most toxic in us leaky old pipes are letting ground water and crap in while the pressure is gone.

Like the Flint and Ganges rivers had a baby.

As easy to issue as this waiver apparently is, it can just as easily be renewed.

lntigracy · Post by **lntigracy** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:11 am #341925

A waiver was applied for the Harvey/Irma hurricanes.

It started out as one week long but turned into two.

Incomptinence · Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:00 am

Aight aight good should work out a bit better then probably gonna get some people getting sick though.

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:39 am #341949

Not sure why the USA should help PR at all when they had numerous chances to become a state and they rejected it because they were too prideful being Kings of a pile of shit.

ShadowDimentio · Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:43 am

Because they're still a territory of ours and a fairly amicable ally

lntigracy · Post by **lntigracy** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:57 am #341953

ShadowDimentio wrote:Because they're still a territory of ours and a fairly amicable ally

They're not an ally, they're the equivilant of a vassal in modern day.

Congress has authority over Puerto Rico due to their territory constitution, which came about due to the Puerto Rico Federal Relations Act of 1950 that was accepted by the people of PR via referendum.

All people born in PR are considered natural born citizens of the US.

They held a referendum on statehood on June 11, 2017 with the options "stay as is" "become independent" "become a state", and 97% of the votes were for become a state, but the problem was that only 23% of voters turned out for the referendum. This is because every major political party in PR boycotted the referendum for one reason or another.

ShadowDimentio · Fri Sep 29, 2017 5:26 am

If a vassal is alright with being a vassal does that not make them an ally

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:11 am #341962

You've not paid attention to CK2, a vassal can be an ally too. But a vassal can also be your enemy

starmute · Post by **starmute** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:18 am #341964

D&B wrote:Not sure why the USA should help PR at all when they had numerous chances to become a state and they rejected it because they were too prideful being Kings of a pile of shit.

They overwhelmingly voted for it this year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Ri ... nion_polls

Continuously the resolutions die in committee because of Republicans fearing a large influx of Latino voters and democratic senate seats.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr2000
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s2020

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:00 am #341971

the nfl fears a large influx of dolphin and raiders fans.

yo holmes we going to see raider nation esse.

starmute · Post by **starmute** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:47 am #341974

ColonicAcid wrote:the nfl fears a large influx of dolphin and raiders fans.

yo holmes we going to see raider nation esse.

We all fear a large influx of dolphins and raiders from a far off land.

ColonicAcid · Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:40 am

im part of the white nfl nation so i only support the white teams

which is green bay, i mean fr look at all the fans they're all whiter than snow

starmute · Post by **starmute** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:42 am #341981

ColonicAcid wrote:im part of the white nfl nation so i only support the white teams

which is green bay, i mean fr look at all the fans they're all whiter than snow

Isn't green bay green? Honk Honk

Super Aggro Crag · Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:39 pm

Puerto Ricans are new York fans tho

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:21 pm #342023

we talking jets or giants

Super Aggro Crag · Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:44 pm

Giants

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 5:38 pm #342050

I say we send all those ground leg niggers back to Africa like we've should have done about 200 years ago. Would have happened too if Lincoln wasnt assassinated

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 5:42 pm #342051

That actually happened already, didn't it?
Liberia
And then the emigrated US blacks got overrun by native african blacks and everything went to shit

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:19 pm #342069

No lol.

Liberia as a country was founded as basically a quasi southern state in Africa.

Ex American slaves went over there and used the same techniques slave owners in the south did. The native Liberian population has always been more than the african-american population.

lntigracy · Post by **lntigracy** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:42 pm #342071

rip Rhodesia