It's the modsuit's fault peanut

[Tearling]

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Summary:
Mob decides to call shuttle by stripping plasmaman of his modsuit hoping he has HoP ID because he has a HoP cape. Despite the plasmaman's begging and pleading, the mob decides to strip him anyways, killing him in the process.

When noted (not even banned) one person in the mob who pushed the plasmaman down and kept him down during the attack decided to blame modsuits. The note is clearly unfair because modsuits guys, trust me.

[Notgonnabreaktherule]

of fucking course it's terry

[Super Aggro Crag]

Modsuits are shit so i support removing this dude's note.

[sinfulbliss]

Bad thread name, I would have opted for something like...
Removing a modsuit is against the rules

That said they raise a good point. It's impossible to search a plasmaman with a modsuit without basically killing them unless you hold them under a shower or put them on stasis beforehand, all things which are probably impractical for anyone without a baton and cuffs on hand.

[chocolate_bickie]

The Plasmaman deserved it on account of the way he was dressed.

[Shadowflame909]

fikou plz allow us to bag search a modsuit user without full-desuiting them

in space, depressurized rooms, and on a plasmameme this is deadly!

[Boot]

Bad thread name, I would have opted for something like...
Removing a modsuit is against the rules

That said they raise a good point. It's impossible to search a plasmaman with a modsuit without basically killing them unless you hold them under a shower or put them on stasis beforehand, all things which are probably impractical for anyone without a baton and cuffs on hand.

I'd love to see a situation where a plasmaman dies because sec wants to search their bag and an admin steps in for this.

[sinfulbliss]

Bad thread name, I would have opted for something like...
Removing a modsuit is against the rules

That said they raise a good point. It's impossible to search a plasmaman with a modsuit without basically killing them unless you hold them under a shower or put them on stasis beforehand, all things which are probably impractical for anyone without a baton and cuffs on hand.

I'd love to see a situation where a plasmaman dies because sec wants to search their bag and an admin steps in for this.

This honestly was already common even before modsuits, it just wasn't as big of a deal. You can't remove helmets on plasmamen to search for headgear (sechuds, bowmans etc.) so you just let it go. If you search pockets you might suffocate them since their internals tank is often on there (although that death isn't as fast so you have time to uncuff and let them fix it). With modsuits it makes even bagsearches impossible. I don't really envision sec dragging plasmamen to perma showers or medbay to search them properly, especially if they're busy with a dozen things at once, but I suppose that's what they'll have to do.

Fikou removed the note but the QUESTION REMAINS TO BE ANSWERED BY HEADMINS... Is one allowed to remove a plasmaman's modsuit at risk of their life for a routine search? If you ask me I think yes, so long as the search is very justified (in this appeal it wasn't), and whatever happens is just the downside to playing plasmeme.

p.s. adding a stasis bed to the brig medbay would resolve this issue entirely.

[datorangebottle]

Listen officer, I didn't kill them, the moving train I held them down in front of did.

[Shadowflame909]

Listen officer, I didn't kill them, the moving train I held them down in front of did.

i didnt know they were allergic to moving trains. I thought they stole something and hid it in their anti allergy suit

plasma-memes are banbait

[cacogen]

Modsuits are shit so i support removing this dude's note.

it's a shame too because there are some very common complaints that could be easily addressed to bring them closer to hardsuits if there was motivation to do it

1. normal bag space
2. one button instead of two button deployment (maybe speed up deployment while you're at it, although personally i don't care about this)
3. make it unequip and drop the shit you're deploying over so you don't have to manually remove it
4. same armour values as the hardsuits they replaced
5. make the control unit's contents accessible without stripping (maybe through a button on the strip window, which would open its inventory after a do_after, similar to activating someone's internals)

[Mothblocks]

2. one button instead of two button deployment (maybe speed up deployment while you're at it, although personally i don't care about this)

you can right click the buttons to do it instantly

[Capsandi]

When is oxygen getting a note for murderboning all of these plasmamen

[Pandarsenic]

Fikou removed the note but the QUESTION REMAINS TO BE ANSWERED BY HEADMINS... Is one allowed to remove a plasmaman's modsuit at risk of their life for a routine search?

If the player wanted a guarantee of safety, they would have been a human

THIS is the sort of disadvantage we should be making a Thing for nonhumans, not "haha slurs for lizards funny"

[cacogen]

2. one button instead of two button deployment (maybe speed up deployment while you're at it, although personally i don't care about this)

you can right click the buttons to do it instantly

I know. It’s not the same thing. You don’t need two buttons or the option to deploy each part separately. You only need one button that deploys the parts, forcibly unequips anything in their slots and activates the suit. Right now it’s clunky and if you expect players to do something a lot it shouldn’t be clunky.