Ided. Ban the keyholders!

[Turbonerd]

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Skill issue.

[Itseasytosee2me]

To be fair, they DID test merge a goof PR

[Indie-ana Jones]

Doing this for more than a single round seems excessive. You should probably warn players about testmerges like this too.

[kieth4]

It only got unmerged because an unrelated party got involved.

[Shellton(Mario)]

How did this even make it into the game as a test merge. If you think about this for more than 2 seconds you realize how this would feel from a victim of getting 1 tapped by a stray not even aimed at you and how bad this would be if it even had 1 bug with it. Even if you think about it how its suppose to be work its still fucking dumb and would feel like dog shit for person on the receiving end. Like am just going to make a clarke with an illigeal weapon mod and just left click down the hall and just fucking kill everything without a helmet because meh immersion.


In short
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh-mxJN ... astrophies

[bastardblaster]

based pr

[RedBaronFlyer]

Goof deciding whether to make a good PR or a meme PR:

[chocolate_bickie]

Fork the codebase and perma Orange for breaking rule 8. Coders won't stop until the admin team accepts the division between git and administration only lets the server suffer.

[iain0]

Seems like a dumb PR that was poorly thought out and poorly implemented, all to score a point over someone in an internet argument.

Also what did it even prove? That if you merge a PR that makes headshots from disablers insta-kill there will be backlash? This sounds right up there with the Microsoft discovery that if you release an AI (Tay) onto the general internet it will quickly turn into a racist nazi. One of those "what did you actually expect to happen?" moments, as we like to ask our players occasionally...

[Kendrickorium]

whoever merged this needs to removed from their position, immediately.

that's it, that's all the discussion that needs to happen

[Kendrickorium]

doesnt goof need clearance these days to even upload a pr to the git?

[Kendrickorium]

How did this even make it into the game as a test merge. If you think about this for more than 2 seconds you realize how this would feel from a victim of getting 1 tapped by a stray not even aimed at you and how bad this would be if it even had 1 bug with it. Even if you think about it how its suppose to be work its still fucking dumb and would feel like dog shit for person on the receiving end. Like am just going to make a clarke with an illigeal weapon mod and just left click down the hall and just fucking kill everything without a helmet because meh immersion.


In short
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh-mxJN ... astrophies

>If you think about this for more than 2 seconds you realize how this would feel from a victim of getting 1 tapped by a stray not even aimed at you

you are assuming these people play the game

also rare triple post, enjoy

[Fikou]

Fork the codebase and perma Orange for breaking rule 8. Coders won't stop until the admin team accepts the division between git and administration only lets the server suffer.

[Epicgamer545]

Make actual combat system changes pls or I will start making horrible ruins that insta kill you the moment your enter

[Kendrickorium]

11:36:09 [mob_3085] (111,128,2) || Maks Glen has been killed by brain damage.
11:42:47 [mob_3085] (113,104,2) || Maks Glen has been killed by brain damage.
11:50:16 [mob_3080] (120,100,2) || Axle Brady has been killed by brain damage.
11:54:18 [mob_3141] (115,100,2) || Mr Tickles has been killed by brain damage.
11:55:13 [mob_3088] (86,134,2) || Jesite Boxcutter has been killed by brain damage.
11:55:25 [mob_3085] (87,133,2) || Maks Glen has been killed by brain damage.
11:57:55 [mob_35] (86,120,2) || the monkey (435) has been killed by brain damage.
11:58:37 [mob_3140] (79,139,2) || Ty Baxter has been killed by brain damage.
11:59:37 [mob_34] (82,118,2) || the monkey (589) has been killed by brain damage.
11:59:54 [mob_33] (84,121,2) || the monkey (79) has been killed by brain damage.
12:00:08 [mob_36] (86,120,2) || the monkey (120) has been killed by brain damage.
12:00:14 [mob_32] (86,123,2) || the monkey (102) has been killed by brain damage.
12:03:54 [mob_55] (147,147,2) || Gracie Tireman has been killed by brain damage.
12:03:58 [mob_3080] (83,112,2) || Unknown has been killed by brain damage.
12:05:44 [mob_3085] (102,102,2) || Maks Glen has been killed by brain damage.
12:06:35 [mob_3084] (83,136,2) || Velvet Pinkawalt has been killed by brain damage.
12:07:01 [mob_3088] (136,105,2) || Jesite Boxcutter has been killed by brain damage.
12:07:21 [mob_3086] (77,142,2) || Brandon M. Ling has been killed by brain damage.
12:07:23 [mob_3237] (93,136,2) || Sam Kolins has been killed by brain damage.
12:10:12 [mob_3078] (143,125,2) || Caellach Albrecht has been killed by brain damage.
12:10:16 [mob_3213] (142,129,2) || Honda Mothra has been killed by brain damage.
12:16:38 [mob_3420] (155,93,2) || Touch-The-Snow has been killed by brain damage.
12:19:05 [mob_3221] (92,120,2) || Alina Genacidarmanovna (as Brandon M. Ling) has been killed by brain damage.
12:20:25 [mob_3345] (163,92,2) || Steven Sneake has been killed by brain damage.
12:22:01 [mob_3423] (139,141,2) || Moffer White has been killed by brain damage.
12:22:19 [mob_3074] (152,98,2) || Joe Nutter has been killed by brain damage.

yeah, someone's in trouble

[Vekter]

This is not great tbh. I think there's always room to merge meme PRs for funzies but this one's questionable at best, especially if the players weren't warned beforehand.

yeah, someone's in trouble

Five of those are monkeys, one is a mime, and like three are Maks Glen, those don't count.

[NamelessFairy]

My main issue with this is the lack of the keyholder who TMed this monitoring the situation. The gamebreaking issues were apparent from the first round it was run on and the involved keyholder should have had it pulled before it resulted in the significantly more destructive second round.

[Vekter]

Oh christ, I actually agree with most of what oranges said. What's happening to me?

[Agux909]

[Imitates-The-Lizards]

Yeah no, orange man right on this one. This complaint is dumb. the entire point of a testmerge is...testing things out. And they should have just pinged on discord. Complaint is a nothingburger.

[Shellton(Mario)]

I was going to put this in the main thread but was advised against. But I think it needs to be asked

Why would you merge something when the coder himself admits to it being dog shit and the pr was only made to prove a point rather than an attempt to make a positive influence in the game?

Part I wasnt going to post in the main thread

I feel like having this mindset is going to cause you to produce a half-baked pr meant to highlight the flaws of the opposing side. Am not saying goof consciously but I think its reasonable to say when you are the one portraying an argument by allowing players playtest said argument you going to have a bias in making your point look like the better option. Let alone putting effort into testing your shit to make sure disablers aren't 1 tapping people

[Kendrickorium]

>3) please remember you have no specific right to a certain ss13 experience, the host, headadmins and headcoders are the final determiners of what ss13 on tgstation is, as such, you don't actually have the right to prevent us from changing your experience, you are of course always allowed to complain about that, and you can also choose to vote with your feet and play elsewhere, but please keep that in mind.

I absolutely cannot stand this fucking insufferable cunt

If I was in this round, died to a headshot and wasnt warned that this could happen before hand, I would be beyond pissed off. I've left negative comments on admin feedback before because of them doing random shit like this without warning the players or taking a vote

It's called having respect for peoples time, some people have jobs and sleep and dont have time to play multiple rounds of spacemen in a row. They need to be warned if they are about to play a meme round so they can fuck off and play someplace else (like perhaps one of the other servers you mentioned yourself) where meme maintainers arent merging their fucking shitty meme prs

goofball needs to be banned from the git
the person that merged this should be removed, full stop

I will happily donate 300 dollars to start off the hiring of a coder that isn't this wretched jackass.

[Kendrickorium]

Oh christ, I actually agree with most of what oranges said. What's happening to me?

its a long winded damage control post, nothing more

it's all I've ever seen this shithead capable of producing in the three years or so I've played here, longwinded speeches without an ounce of actual apologetic tone, along with sarcastic condescending derogatory comments to belittle the people that actually speak up wondering how a person like this ever came to be in control of such a position of power on this server. (which oranges proved almost immediately on discord after my above post)

[Shellton(Mario)]

3) please remember you have no specific right to a certain Freedom, the President , Congress and Supreme Court are the final determiners of what a freedom is, as such, you don't actually have the right to prevent us from changing your freedoms, you are of course always allowed to complain about that in till we remove that right as well.

I added he last 7 words but other than that just changed the nouns

[Turbonerd]

There's a rule that says losing is part of the game, whether it is your control or not. If you read the rules, then you accept that you are not entitled to having a round go your way. If you have barely any free time, then you should plan a backup of what you can spend your time on, as things can go out of people's control, and it won't always go your way.

[Kendrickorium]

There's a rule that says losing is part of the game, whether it is your control or not. If you read the rules, then you accept that you are not entitled to having a round go your way. If you have barely any free time, then you should plan a backup of what you can spend your time on, as things can go out of people's control, and it won't always go your way.

can you absolutely take a male's member into your mouth and suck on it any harder than that post?

christ I've channeled way too much Crag energy today, I'm out.

[Shellton(Mario)]

There's a rule that says losing is part of the game, whether it is your control or not. If you read the rules, then you accept that you are not entitled to having a round go your way. If you have barely any free time, then you should plan a backup of what you can spend your time on, as things can go out of people's control, and it won't always go your way.

So under that logic I could make a pr that makes players die from heart attacks for no reason and not be punished for it because losing is a part of the game. Even when I admit to the pr being dogshit.

[kieth4]

Every day I dream of a world in which the players didn't get treated like shit.

[Turbonerd]

There's a rule that says losing is part of the game, whether it is your control or not. If you read the rules, then you accept that you are not entitled to having a round go your way. If you have barely any free time, then you should plan a backup of what you can spend your time on, as things can go out of people's control, and it won't always go your way.

So under that logic I could make a pr that makes players die from heart attacks for no reason and not be punished for it because losing is a part of the game. Even when I admit to the pr being dogshit.

This has already been done. There is a heart attack event that gives a random person a heart attack.

[Capsandi]

The server tells you whats test merged when you join, if the pr had an accurate title (it did) its your fault for joining a round you don't want to play.

[Scriptis]

this is a great meme, i don't get why you're angry about this




rageguy runs worse events than this

[CMDR_Gungnir]

The PR was fucking hilarious and y'all take your Spess Mens too seriously. Also what Cap said because they said it before me.

[RedBaronFlyer]

Every day I dream of a world in which the players didn't get treated like shit.

Same honestly. I wish they'd just drop the "just submit feedback on the GitHub page/discord/code feedback " since they just ignore the community anyways in most instances.

Honestly, I thought the PR was funny, but yeah, it does seem to have the patented "Goof meme pr being kinda shit because there's no quality assurance" thing going for it. I feel like there was actually sufficient warnings, and I appreciate that they only tested it on some servers for a brief period of time.

Surprised to see Oranges actually take a levelheaded approach and generally be pretty agreeable as opposed to "lol, lmao, fuck you" like he is usually. 99% sure it's just because he's been got by the short hairs during his appeal process to get unbanned for you know what

P.S. Goof, please bring back the Rimworld PR but change it to make you have a mood buff for eating in the bar and that's it. I would love it so much.

[Vekter]

There's a lot more covered that we have said in discord but at the end of the day, i stand by test merging the PR for the 2 rounds it was merged, a key holder removed it when they noticed complaints so everything about the system worked as it was intended.

I think it was a funny idea, and I think perhaps if it had even more polish, you probably would have agreed and would have wanted it in more rounds so you could try it yourself.

Some people had fun trying out a different experience for 2 rounds, some others obviously didn't, although none of them have yet to step forward to make themselves known(I'm assuming based on a keyholder noticing people talking about it), but at the end of all that, nobody was harmed, people were able to get it removed without even really trying.

Again, sorry that you're upset, but I don't think anything needs to change about how test merges work or how the keyholders do them.

I believe that we're entitled, from time to time, to try out something funny and different, and that's okay.

This is honestly the most reasonable thing I've ever seen oranges say.

There's a rule that says losing is part of the game, whether it is your control or not. If you read the rules, then you accept that you are not entitled to having a round go your way. If you have barely any free time, then you should plan a backup of what you can spend your time on, as things can go out of people's control, and it won't always go your way.

So under that logic I could make a pr that makes players die from heart attacks for no reason and not be punished for it because losing is a part of the game. Even when I admit to the pr being dogshit.

Someone already pointed out that this already exists, but failed to call you an idiot.

You're an idiot.

[bastardblaster]

oranges man correct

[datorangebottle]

this is a great meme, i don't get why you're angry about this




rageguy runs worse events than this

Best take in the thread thus far, honestly.

I love that one of the major complaints is that the players weren't warned, despite the fact that the game literally tells you what's test-merged before you join. If you weren't warned, that's entirely your fault for not reading the testmerges.

Coders shouldn't be making PRs like this in the first place, but it effected literally two rounds. Unironically follow the instructions in this GIF if you're mad about it.

► Show Spoiler

[RedBaronFlyer]

this is a great meme, i don't get why you're angry about this




rageguy runs worse events than this

Best take in the thread thus far, honestly.

I love that one of the major complaints is that the players weren't warned, despite the fact that the game literally tells you what's test-merged before you join. If you weren't warned, that's entirely your fault for not reading the testmerges.

Coders shouldn't be making PRs like this in the first place, but it effected literally two rounds. Unironically follow the instructions in this GIF if you're mad about it.

► Show Spoiler

I mean to be fair, depending on when you last played, the change log can look like this:

fixed you being able to eat air tanks
updated doors to make them more door-y
fixed a bug where thinking of cheese too hard caused a server crash
nerfed security equipment (again)
new shoe resprite
btw headshots instakill now kthx
added a new snackfood in the vending machine
added a 5% chance of you randomly thinking of thinking when you are thinking
added a new progtot objective to break all the lights in a room because we're out of ideas

The icons do help but I feel like changes that are viewed as big could be highlighted. It's been a few days since I played so I already forgot what icons there are to show different changes.

[Archie700]

Testmerges usually are shown on chat when you connect

[datorangebottle]

I mean to be fair, depending on when you last played, the change log can look like this:

It doesn't show up in the changelog, it's in the text box in the bottom-right.

[Shellton(Mario)]

this is a great meme, i don't get why you're angry about this




rageguy runs worse events than this

Best take in the thread thus far, honestly.

I love that one of the major complaints is that the players weren't warned, despite the fact that the game literally tells you what's test-merged before you join. If you weren't warned, that's entirely your fault for not reading the testmerges.

Coders shouldn't be making PRs like this in the first place, but it effected literally two rounds. Unironically follow the instructions in this GIF if you're mad about it.

► Show Spoiler

Dogshit is still dog shit. Why are we adding dog shit to the game for no reason. You can say players were warn about the pr being merged. What they werent warned about is about it being a buggy mess which is why its upsetting. Its a shocking amount of negligence added on by the fact this pr was not made to change the game in a positive way, rather to proof a point. I already explained above why this is bad for the game. Scroll up and read it.

[Kendrickorium]

this is a great meme, i don't get why you're angry about this




rageguy runs worse events than this

Best take in the thread thus far, honestly.

I love that one of the major complaints is that the players weren't warned, despite the fact that the game literally tells you what's test-merged before you join. If you weren't warned, that's entirely your fault for not reading the testmerges.

Coders shouldn't be making PRs like this in the first place, but it effected literally two rounds. Unironically follow the instructions in this GIF if you're mad about it.

► Show Spoiler

the reason it was ended was because someone woke the fuck up and removed it

[Kendrickorium]

There's a lot more covered that we have said in discord but at the end of the day, i stand by test merging the PR for the 2 rounds it was merged, a key holder removed it when they noticed complaints so everything about the system worked as it was intended.

I think it was a funny idea, and I think perhaps if it had even more polish, you probably would have agreed and would have wanted it in more rounds so you could try it yourself.

Some people had fun trying out a different experience for 2 rounds, some others obviously didn't, although none of them have yet to step forward to make themselves known(I'm assuming based on a keyholder noticing people talking about it), but at the end of all that, nobody was harmed, people were able to get it removed without even really trying.

Again, sorry that you're upset, but I don't think anything needs to change about how test merges work or how the keyholders do them.

I believe that we're entitled, from time to time, to try out something funny and different, and that's okay.

This is honestly the most reasonable thing I've ever seen oranges say.

There's a rule that says losing is part of the game, whether it is your control or not. If you read the rules, then you accept that you are not entitled to having a round go your way. If you have barely any free time, then you should plan a backup of what you can spend your time on, as things can go out of people's control, and it won't always go your way.

So under that logic I could make a pr that makes players die from heart attacks for no reason and not be punished for it because losing is a part of the game. Even when I admit to the pr being dogshit.

Someone already pointed out that this already exists, but failed to call you an idiot.

You're an idiot.

authoritarian proceeds to inhale even older authoritarians male member, continues on to prove he's a fucking cunt to everyone in the thread

this is why no one likes you vekter.

[datorangebottle]

Dogshit is still dog shit. Why are we adding dog shit to the game for no reason. You can say players were warn about the pr being merged. What they werent warned about is about it being a buggy mess which is why its upsetting. Its a shocking amount of negligence

Complaining about the quality of the PR is valid- but this is the first i'm hearing about it being a buggy mess. Even so, it was test merged for two rounds and bugtesting is one of the purposes of test merging.

[Rageguy505]

Shaking things up is cool, SS13 is the same game all day everyday and I feel like a bit of variety could make it much more engaging.

Can you fault a man for wanting to explore how the game would be if death was cheap?

[RedBaronFlyer]

I mean to be fair, depending on when you last played, the change log can look like this:

It doesn't show up in the changelog, it's in the text box in the bottom-right.
SNIP.PNG

Ah, I'm dumb, sorry.

[Vekter]

authoritarian proceeds to inhale even older authoritarians male member, continues on to prove he's a fucking cunt to everyone in the thread

this is why no one likes you vekter.

Oh no, someone on the internet doesn't like me *cry

[Ziiro]

based pr

Yes

Needs some polish but it seems like it would be funny as fuck