Malicious Manuel Metagrudger Macademia

[Farquaar]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Pie throwing is a restricted prank NO MOONLIGHTING.

[CMDR_Gungnir]

Maybe LRP is different, but the goal on MRP (and I'd argue with the existence of Rule 12, it DOES still apply to LRP, too)

rule 12 does not apply to antags on lrp you can do as much anti fun shit as you want

Fair enough. I'd still argue that while you're allowed to be a boring Station Depopulation Any% runner, you should still try and make the round more interesting for your presence in it, though. But idk the culture and whether or not you're likely to just get Instant RR'd for having contraband.

it really depends on the sec player but I definitely think there has been a recent movement away from executing people just for having contraband
most of the sec mains that do this kind of thing dont tend to last long without a secban or permaban

That's good, then. I've always been kinda interested in seeing what things are like on the LRP side, but I've always been worried by the uhh. Somewhat Win-focused approach I hear about a lot.

[Super Aggro Crag]

when im traitor i like to take missions to kill moths and then i just inconvenience them with swatters and pest spray and run away screaming FOILED AGAIN when they shove me

[RedBaronFlyer]

HOLY SHIT IT'S MARIANNE CATLAY AGAIN.

Let me tell you the story of my singular encounter with Marianne Catlay and her catgirl metafriend, Madelyn Finch

I've been on manuel for, like, seven to eight months now, and they are the only friend group I'm confused about.

There are quite a few "friend" groups on Manuel; they'll still murder each other and stuff when the situation is right (objectives or as collateral) but I see it as somewhat harmless since it doesn't affect IC decision-making (from what I can tell) The only thing I really object to in those instances is when they try and carry over stuff that happened last round. That in and of itself is a bit bad, in my opinion, since I always try and start the next round with a completely clean slate towards everyone (which is why I just go "huh?" when someone brings up something that happened in a previous round)

Then there's whatever the heck Marianne and Madelyn do. They so often hang out with each other, are seemingly coordinated without talking all that much. Then they just spend 90% of the shift either wordlessly giving each other piggybacks, or pulling eachother around the station, or they're just sitting in a random maint room for half the round. I just don't get it.

Part of the thing I enjoy so much about SS13 is that it's still a fairly social game. My favorite thing is making a friendship in that round, and it essentially is a Chekhov's gun for later in the round. Sometimes I've been rescued from a perilous situation by an assistant who risked everything simply because I gave tools to them earlier as a CT; other times I've had someone make sure I don't survive a disaster because I became enemies with them or repeatedly got in their way while they were going for objectives in the department I was working in. It's great. It's always a funny thing being killed by someone or fighting someone in a previous round to end up in the same department the next round, and you look at each other like:



I would be 100% unsurprised if they were actually metacomming.

[sinfulbliss]

That's what Spookuni's getting at. Axle is good enough at the game to be able to get away with doing the stuff that isn't going to be Super Optimal, but makes the round a lot more interesting.
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People can dislike what you did for different reasons than being a part of a metagang you were opposing.

Here’s the thing right… I actually did choose the suboptimal play for roleplay reasons. The optimal play would have been to do the objective on Marianne after she offered it to me. That also would’ve been intensely boring.

I didn’t even know these two catgirls were traitors until roundend because they created so little conflict in the round. You are right people can dislike what I was doing for other reasons. The reasons were as follows: people on Manuel generally do not enjoy serious conflict that interrupts their rounds and job loops.

The traitors play quietly and stealthily and avoid getting in the way too much. The instant I do something overt like kill the captain or simple grand theft objectives I’m accused of “gaming” too hard and playing to win.

There is nothing to fix about Manuel because the majority of the players prefer it this way. The headmins prefer it this way. They want a relatively quiet space to roleplay and do their jobs without some high intensity tot steamrolling through their plans. They want everyone to get along. The best example I can think of is one Manuel round where the crew and xenos rode the shuttle back to Centcom together peacefully without fighting at all.

[Kendrickorium]

manuel is so boring metagroups attack other metagroups

i like this

[CMDR_Gungnir]

That's what Spookuni's getting at. Axle is good enough at the game to be able to get away with doing the stuff that isn't going to be Super Optimal, but makes the round a lot more interesting.
[…]
People can dislike what you did for different reasons than being a part of a metagang you were opposing.

Here’s the thing right… I actually did choose the suboptimal play for roleplay reasons. The optimal play would have been to do the objective on Marianne after she offered it to me. That also would’ve been intensely boring.

I didn’t even know these two catgirls were traitors until roundend because they created so little conflict in the round. You are right people can dislike what I was doing for other reasons. The reasons were as follows: people on Manuel generally do not enjoy serious conflict that interrupts their rounds and job loops.

The traitors play quietly and stealthily and avoid getting in the way too much. The instant I do something overt like kill the captain or simple grand theft objectives I’m accused of “gaming” too hard and playing to win.

There is nothing to fix about Manuel because the majority of the players prefer it this way. The headmins prefer it this way. They want a relatively quiet space to roleplay and do their jobs without some high intensity tot steamrolling through their plans. They want everyone to get along. The best example I can think of is one Manuel round where the crew and xenos rode the shuttle back to Centcom together peacefully without fighting at all.

Honestly, I'd put a lot of it down to Deadpop. Things are weird on Deadpop because the game barely functions at that stage, let alone when people start going horizontal. Plus, if there's 10 people on station, and you kill someone, the station's now down 10% of its population, y'know?

Manuel and the opinions of what people want it to be, varies a fair bit from person to person. There are definitely some who want it to be the zero conflict job simulator, but there are a lot of others too who want it to be more dangerous. Personally, I'm closer to that side of the scale. I want dangerous sabotage to be a thing. I want a tot to bomb Engineering and fuck with the Supermatter to draw attention away from Medical where he needs to strike. I wanna see a (probably keep it on ahelp level just so it stays Rare) Singulo and shit happen from time to time. I want plasmafloods/fires. I want antags to be a threat, I just don't want a dude to speedrun Station Depopulation Any% and end the round with more kills than words spoken.

I want the chaos, because the chaos is when characters shine. The actions a character takes during a crisis situation speaks volumes. Do they prioritize themselves over everyone? Or do they hand their oxygen tank to someone on the mostly-spaced pod, and hope that they, themselves, manage to hold out long enough to reach CC?

There are people who want to friendtag, there are people who will see Nukies or Revs and pretend to align with Sec while they build their strength and prepare to backstab them when it's convenient, and there are people who think even the latter is too much Friendtagging and should be banned.

That's the real reason why it's impossible to fix. There's no one unified vision of what Manuel should be. For every person who plays Manuel, there is a different view of what it should be.

[dragomagol]

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That's good, then. I've always been kinda interested in seeing what things are like on the LRP side, but I've always been worried by the uhh. Somewhat Win-focused approach I hear about a lot.

I encourage MRP folks to give the other servers a try to see how they like it. But you should go into it expecting general rowdiness (and if you pick medical, often a stream of folks parading through). You have to go with the flow of the round to get the most out of it imo.

[kayozz]

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That's good, then. I've always been kinda interested in seeing what things are like on the LRP side, but I've always been worried by the uhh. Somewhat Win-focused approach I hear about a lot.

I encourage MRP folks to give the other servers a try to see how they like it. But you should go into it expecting general rowdiness (and if you pick medical, often a stream of folks parading through). You have to go with the flow of the round to get the most out of it imo.

Any major differences between the LRP servers or is it just time-zones?

[blackdav123]

Any major differences between the LRP servers or is it just time-zones?

Bagil is always on lowpop and terry is in europe

[dragomagol]

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I encourage MRP folks to give the other servers a try to see how they like it. But you should go into it expecting general rowdiness (and if you pick medical, often a stream of folks parading through). You have to go with the flow of the round to get the most out of it imo.

Any major differences between the LRP servers or is it just time-zones?

Basically what's said above, Terry is in Europe (hits ~70 during peak times) and Bagil often has a lower population (~20+ during peak, evening in NA). Sybil hits numbers similar to Terry during its peak times (NA evenings). They all run on the same ruleset, might have slight cultural differences because of their different playerbases.

[CMDR_Gungnir]

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That's good, then. I've always been kinda interested in seeing what things are like on the LRP side, but I've always been worried by the uhh. Somewhat Win-focused approach I hear about a lot.

I encourage MRP folks to give the other servers a try to see how they like it. But you should go into it expecting general rowdiness (and if you pick medical, often a stream of folks parading through). You have to go with the flow of the round to get the most out of it imo.

[iwishforducks]

headmin review sure is taking a hot minute

[RaveRadbury]

Maybe LRP is different, but the goal on MRP (and I'd argue with the existence of Rule 12, it DOES still apply to LRP, too)

rule 12 does not apply to antags on lrp you can do as much anti fun shit as you want

Rule 12 does apply to antags on MRP and LRP, but rather than OOC consequences (bans/notes) admins are allowed to provide you with IC consequences (ERTs, Deathsquads). This is the Host's stance, and was made clear during the creation of Rule 12 (which is just Old Rule 3 in a new wrapper)

[CMDR_Gungnir]

That's good, then. I've always been kinda interested in seeing what things are like on the LRP side, but I've always been worried by the uhh. Somewhat Win-focused approach I hear about a lot.

I kept my word and checked it out. It was pretty fun. Definitely a very different kind of experience to MRP, but one that I enjoyed quite a lot. MRP'll probably still be my Main, but I'll definitely go and poke my head in from time to time again.

[Kendrickorium]

When you have friends to avoid conflict; to seek shelter from the confusion, betrayal and deceit; to be genuinely safe from the metagame of SS13? Then you're playing something else entirely. I will torment you and make your time on our servers miserable while you're attached at the hip for no good IC reason.

Having friends in SS13 is good. They give you tons of cool ways to kill, betray and otherwise torment other players that would otherwise totally trust you for no good IC reason other than they know you. The best shifts are ones where your friends betray you.

If you don't betray and torment your friends? Then go on Github, download the game files and run yourself a private server where you can engage in a wonderful single player experience with coop support, since you'll probably enjoy it more.

this. watching jill desouza betray and kill dean ivanov, tell me she did it for me, only to have me then stun baton and beat her to death was a highlight on my sybil friends film reel
(dont do this
she was very angry)

[Kendrickorium]

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I encourage MRP folks to give the other servers a try to see how they like it. But you should go into it expecting general rowdiness (and if you pick medical, often a stream of folks parading through). You have to go with the flow of the round to get the most out of it imo.

Any major differences between the LRP servers or is it just time-zones?

Basically what's said above, Terry is in Europe (hits ~70 during peak times) and Bagil often has a lower population (~20+ during peak, evening in NA). Sybil hits numbers similar to Terry during its peak times (NA evenings). They all run on the same ruleset, might have slight cultural differences because of their different playerbases.

from what I've seen terry and sybil are almost the same but everyone on terry runs around with a meat cleaver for some reason (its how I spot terry players on sybil, hilariously)

[Qbmax32]

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
PIEING SOMEONE IN THE FACE IS METAGRUDGE AND GRIEF

[Shellton(Mario)]

from what I've seen terry and sybil are almost the same but everyone on terry runs around with a meat cleaver for some reason (its how I spot terry players on sybil, hilariously)

Terry players are meta slaves

[BeeSting12]

headmin review sure is taking a hot minute

Probably because it's around the holidays. If there's actually been over a weeks worth of debate over this and the right decision isn't clear then I'm concerned for this headmin team. Should take about 15 minutes of reading to make it apparent that the admins ruling was BS

[Indie-ana Jones]

from what I've seen terry and sybil are almost the same but everyone on terry runs around with a meat cleaver for some reason (its how I spot terry players on sybil, hilariously)

It's the new meta weapon because they can be printed from a lathe and do insane wound damage.

[Super Aggro Crag]

from what I've seen terry and sybil are almost the same but everyone on terry runs around with a meat cleaver for some reason (its how I spot terry players on sybil, hilariously)

It's the new meta weapon because they can be printed from a lathe and do insane wound damage.

what other weapons do good wounding

[EmpressMaia]

from what I've seen terry and sybil are almost the same but everyone on terry runs around with a meat cleaver for some reason (its how I spot terry players on sybil, hilariously)

It's the new meta weapon because they can be printed from a lathe and do insane wound damage.

what other weapons do good wounding

cleaving saw is aboslutely busted with its bloodloss effect

[Super Aggro Crag]

from what I've seen terry and sybil are almost the same but everyone on terry runs around with a meat cleaver for some reason (its how I spot terry players on sybil, hilariously)

It's the new meta weapon because they can be printed from a lathe and do insane wound damage.

what other weapons do good wounding

cleaving saw is aboslutely busted with its bloodloss effect

thats miner gamer loot though not really "meta" in that very limited in the amount of guys can dick swagger around with it