Friendly Antag Hate Thread

[SkeletalElite]

fuck friendly antags

they're either lying or not playing the role they were given.

Either way, they should be executed and cremated.

[vect0r]

Fuck friendly antags with bad gimmicks.
People on Manuel who just are like "I am tot lolz look at me not do anything bad, hey sec, want a markov? You can't hurt me or I will call admemes lol"

[Striders13]

it's always morally correct to round remove friendly antags

Fuck friendly antags with bad gimmicks.
People on Manuel who just are like "I am tot lolz look at me not do anything bad, hey sec, want a markov? You can't hurt me or I will call admemes lol"

blatant friendtagging with helping sec like this is against the rules, but I totally get what you mean, cause most people are less obvious. If people act like this when I'm sec, I'm going out of my way to round remove them. I'm WAY more lenient on antags doing antag stuff than people who go "captain open vault pls I wanna take nuke core haha". Put some effort into roleplaying your role as syndicate infiltrator or get fucked.

[Kendrickorium]

every station needs a pet dragon

[datorangebottle]

on one hand, yeah, they should be generally aggressive towards security at a minimum.
on the other hand, one of my gimmicks is a clown heretic that avoids the law and sells the potions/useful trinkets to the rest of the crew.
i like the idea of a spooky fucker lurking in maintenance that tries to sell you things / barter with you for dubious things.

[dirk_mcblade]

Being friendly antag is throwing yourself at the mercy of the courts so you have to be a pretty likeable character to get away with it.

[ekaterina]

Friendly antags are removing content for themselves and for us, the security players, that we would have had if someone else got the roll. I hate friendly antags.

People on Manuel who just are like "I am tot lolz look at me not do anything bad, hey sec, want a markov? You can't hurt me or I will call admemes lol"

Good thing we don't have that on LRP. Rule 4 is king, friendly antags keep losing.

[Itseasytosee2me]

I used to see friendly antags metabudding with security players all the fucking time on sybil it was so god damn annoying. No one should ever feel bad for fucking over a friendly or even overly brass antagonist.
If someone calls you a valid hunter attacking the blatent changling just sitting on the shuttle and tossing them out of the airlock don’t listen to them. I used to see this all the time.

[conrad]

Friendly antags will be ground into burger meat so they learn to not waste their antag roll.

[LeekiLoku]

I used to see friendly antags metabudding with security players all the fucking time on sybil it was so god damn annoying. No one should ever feel bad for fucking over a friendly or even overly brass antagonist.
If someone calls you a valid hunter attacking the blatent changling just sitting on the shuttle and tossing them out of the airlock don’t listen to them. I used to see this all the time.

Heard it here folks rect said "changling" instead of changeling, we should change the name of changelings to changling.

[BlueMemesauce]

this guy already said changling first viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32577&p=653894

[Chadley]

Dealt with a friendly wizard recently. Considered killing them, but then I got scared that their cronies would kill me for stopping "muh transmutation into a syndiborg"

[BrolyButterfingers]

On Manuel I like to let them cook but if their bit isn't making the station more dangerous (or progressing their goals) then they can get fucked and I'll throw toolboxes at them from across the hall

[Indie-ana Jones]

We're currently at the peak of not enough threats actually doing anything being a massive problem for our servers when people are trying to be antagonistic. We certainly don't need people wasting threat doing nothing at all, I can tell you that much.

[blackdav123]

Feels bad to kill the only two traitors being actively antagonistic because I'm still cooking and they both targeted me

[Misdoubtful]

People confuse friendly antags with friendly antags that provide nothing of value.

Someone can be nonhostile and still add conflict to the round. Sadly this gets muddied by people that make the decision to do nothing, which is when I start pumping in more antags to make up for it. Sometimes those new antags will have the lethargic antags as an objective.

[sinfulbliss]

Someone can be nonhostile and still add conflict to the round.

How does one add conflict to the round in a nonhostile manner?

[TheLoLSwat]

Someone can be nonhostile and still add conflict to the round.

How does one add conflict to the round in a nonhostile manner?

framing someone for a crime, but someone that would start a war with sec just because they are accused of the crime

[dirk_mcblade]

Someone can be nonhostile and still add conflict to the round.

How does one add conflict to the round in a nonhostile manner?

Because you have loosened escalation policies you can become a mini event admin if you play with more than a midwit perspective towards the role, even on MRP servers (or perhaps moreso on MRP).
Examples being I had a British LARPing traitor murder me for refusing to make him beef Wellington.
Another round an assistant tried to burn down the bar and I ratted him out, turned him over to the roboticist for force borging, he escaped, started threatening me on comms, so I detomatixed him and said he did it to himself for attention while also alleging that I saw him turning felinids into sausage, forcing him to run around maintenance armless for an hour for fear of being lynched by the khajits before things escalated further. The acting captain didn't care that I was obviously a traitor because he thought it was funny.
Easier to do on lowpop rounds to be honest.

[sinfulbliss]

Examples being I had a British LARPing traitor murder me for refusing to make him beef Wellington.

Hostile

Another round an assistant tried to burn down the bar and I ratted him out, turned him over to the roboticist for force borging, he escaped, started threatening me on comms, so I detomatixed him and said he did it to himself for attention while also alleging that I saw him turning felinids into sausage, forcing him to run around maintenance armless for an hour for fear of being lynched by the khajits before things escalated further. The acting captain didn't care that I was obviously a traitor because he thought it was funny.

Also hostile

they're funny but not examples

[sinfulbliss]

Someone can be nonhostile and still add conflict to the round.

How does one add conflict to the round in a nonhostile manner?

framing someone for a crime, but someone that would start a war with sec just because they are accused of the crime

nonantags do this

[datorangebottle]

Someone can be nonhostile and still add conflict to the round.

How does one add conflict to the round in a nonhostile manner?

One time I transformed Jill into Dean and Dean into Jill without getting caught. That was fun.

[dirk_mcblade]

Examples being I had a British LARPing traitor murder me for refusing to make him beef Wellington.

Hostile

Another round an assistant tried to burn down the bar and I ratted him out, turned him over to the roboticist for force borging, he escaped, started threatening me on comms, so I detomatixed him and said he did it to himself for attention while also alleging that I saw him turning felinids into sausage, forcing him to run around maintenance armless for an hour for fear of being lynched by the khajits before things escalated further. The acting captain didn't care that I was obviously a traitor because he thought it was funny.

Also hostile

they're funny but not examples

How so? I was friendly towards the rest of the crew except the one person I was griefing.

[Bawhoppennn]

Friendly antags are literally the worst thing you can do ingame, and literally prove me wrong

[LeekiLoku]

Only good friendly antags are the ones with funny gimmicks. Other than that fuck friendly antags, your a ANTAGONIST your supposed to ANTAGONIZE. Give sec a reason to be shit sec instead of just doing "funny" gimmicks, in the end youll just get valid hunted so its whatever.

[Itseasytosee2me]

Examples being I had a British LARPing traitor murder me for refusing to make him beef Wellington.

Hostile

Another round an assistant tried to burn down the bar and I ratted him out, turned him over to the roboticist for force borging, he escaped, started threatening me on comms, so I detomatixed him and said he did it to himself for attention while also alleging that I saw him turning felinids into sausage, forcing him to run around maintenance armless for an hour for fear of being lynched by the khajits before things escalated further. The acting captain didn't care that I was obviously a traitor because he thought it was funny.

Also hostile

they're funny but not examples

How so? I was friendly towards the rest of the crew except the one person I was griefing.

If you are actively going out of your way to grief someone you are hostile. You don't have to go on a killing spree to consider being hostile, you don't really even have to kill anyone although I would prefer if you get a few good murders in there.

The only thing worse than the stealth antag that is never seen anywhere ever, and the antag that gets killed round start because they revealed themselves is a friendly antag. They are worse than nothing.
The only good thing about friendly antags is that you can kill them and not feel bad at all about removing and important player from the round.

[sinfulbliss]

The only good thing about friendly antags is that you can kill them and not feel bad at all about removing and important player from the round.

There is a fun strategy I've used for handling friendly antags, it may seem a bit barbaric but I believe it can help fix the problem.

So, there was this player on Sybil (we will call him G for short) who would ALWAYS play friendtag. Traitor? He'd buy sec tot gear and help them hunt for other traitors, using codewords to find them. Heretic? He'd ask people if they wanted to be sacced, and would scribble runes or show his mansus grasp to a sec officer in a cutesie innocuous way.

It was intensely annoying as sec to see this, because it is wasted threat that we can never get back. One time he played as a changeling, and in usual G fashion, flashed his armblade to me, the HoS, roundstart. "I'm a ling, but I'm friendly!" I arrested him of course, but instead of instantly cremating, I instead opted to grief him horribly. He continued being friendly, despite being griefed and tortured and released over and over again, until finally near roundend, something beautiful happened.

He snapped, and his unbridled rage was released. He whipped out the chitinous armor, the armblade, the tentacle, and actually fought, he made an attempt on my life, the fight lasted several minutes and it was the most fun either of us probably had that round. The moral of this story is that to fix the friendtag, you have to find a way to trigger their inner fury and tempt them to use the free grief pass every antag is gifted.

[ekaterina]

The only thing worse than the stealth antag that is never seen anywhere ever, and the antag that gets killed round start because they revealed themselves is a friendly antag. They are worse than nothing.

Stealth antags can be cool. They also at least afford the antag player some fun coming up with clever ways to avoid detection. Friendly antags don't even do that.

[SkeletalElite]

The only thing worse than the stealth antag that is never seen anywhere ever, and the antag that gets killed round start because they revealed themselves is a friendly antag. They are worse than nothing.

Stealth antags can be cool. They also at least afford the antag player some fun coming up with clever ways to avoid detection. Friendly antags don't even do that.

Finding antags who are trying to not be caught is part of security's job content. As long as there are some active threats for security to hunt as well. If there's too many people being stealthy is kind of sucks though
Unless by "stealth antag" we mean someone just doesn't do anything antagonistic at all, but also isn't overtly friendly.

[Itseasytosee2me]

The only thing worse than the stealth antag that is never seen anywhere ever, and the antag that gets killed round start because they revealed themselves is a friendly antag. They are worse than nothing.

Stealth antags can be cool. They also at least afford the antag player some fun coming up with clever ways to avoid detection. Friendly antags don't even do that.

Finding antags who are trying to not be caught is part of security's job content. As long as there are some active threats for security to hunt as well. If there's too many people being stealthy is kind of sucks though
Unless by "stealth antag" we mean someone just doesn't do anything antagonistic at all, but also isn't overtly friendly.

This was my intention. Little mister: My targets both died already so i'm just gonna do nothing to risk my greentext.
The best kind of stealth antags are the ones in which you take on a disguise or imitate someone while they do the dirty work.

[Bawhoppennn]

Passive antag may be a better term to eliminate the confusion

[datorangebottle]

Today we had a person go through the effort of getting to their final objective without directly harming a single person(they had the snake staff) and become a space dragon... only to do nothing to get the shuttle called. They didn't attack a single crewmember, not even when shot at. It was incredibly lame.

[TheLoLSwat]

Today we had a person go through the effort of getting to their final objective without directly harming a single person(they had the snake staff) and become a space dragon... only to do nothing to get the shuttle called. They didn't attack a single crewmember, not even when shot at. It was incredibly lame.

nightmare shift they ratted me OUT to the captain while im in the middle of making plans for ultra terrorism only to then be the friendliest antag of all time the fucking superman of antags

[datorangebottle]

we HATE antags who remove threat from the round in this house.