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viewtopic.php?p=699225#p699225the vibe i got from your post is very "talk-down"-ish. hard to put my finger on it exactly. probably just conrad coming in to one-up you? regardless the post alone just comes off as very snide. the first paragraph adds nothing to the conversation, because the second paragraph of your post says more than it does in less. from my point of view, "it's exhausting to have to explain things that should be simple." at the end of your post also comes off as very snide. i mean your post before that was completely fine. sinful's post to that was also completely fine. there's a very big tonal shift in your postdendydoom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:34 pmi'm not going to defend my cheap mockery - if you didn't like it, then you didn't like it. that's fair. but it was about 10% of my actual post. there was a point behind it that was bigger than the fact that i was snidely insinuating that he was being foolishly arrogant around his refusal to ever concede to any requests for decency. his posts had no such point. it was just an insult standing out on its lonesome. the only response to that would be more insults, which i am not interested in. the jabs are nothing more than a nice little dessert. if it's all you eat then you'll just make yourself sick.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:01 pm the difference, as I see it, is that dreary and oranges were throwing around playground insults. completely irrelevant to the conversation as a whole. served no other purpose than to enflame. at least sinful's messages was somewhat relevant, i.e. "you can't call me immature when you have been administratively punished for sexual harassment"
the only response to that would be more insults, which i am not interested in. the jabs are nothing more than a nice little dessert. if it's all you eat then you'll just make yourself sick.
? i do not understand. this is very twofaced. why say you're not interested in responding with more insults when you respond with something that's just enflaming?thank goodness, i wouldn't want you to hurt yourself thinking about it too hard.
this is entirely besides the point, and ironically enough this is getting off-topic in itself, but i still think it's worthy enough to discuss: i think you misunderstood the point sinful and kendrick were making (i kind of didn't realize this until later, honestly.) first and foremost, kendrick's message on the thread itself was about no-context pictures. that posting story laced images with no context is lame. they were not saying that all of the images were lame or that the thread itself was lame. kendrick's post is still quite a cynical post regardless.dendydoom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:34 pm i was also under the impression that he was being sarcastic in the first place, since his entire point was that we shouldn't be policing each other's tone. ultimately i agreed with him, except that the claws should be kept to the scratching post debate threads, and not our cute little picture sharing threads. he disagreed and said that we should be able to say what we want anywhere because it's good for discussion. so i said exactly what i wanted. it was not good for discussion. an interesting experiment.
You guys saying sinful bringing up oranges for being a sex pest was ok because it was true when sinful has been known for saying this (WARNING: NSFWsinfulbliss wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:15 am I post pretty much everything uhhh.
Also as long as you're being ironic you can't hurt public opinion of yourself that's the beauty of being ironic!!
Unless your irony is transparent and someone can see it reflects something really fucked up that you'd rather hide.
I dunno that's the cool thing about the internet, you can say really wild shit you would never be able to say IRL and as a result it can make for some pretty hilarious moments or very interesting conversations that you'd never be able to discuss IRL.
I have said some pretty fucked up stuff online but because it's online I don't care and it's usually just to be funny or cause some sort of drama (everyone loves good drama).
As long as your intention is pure and it isn't like, warped, you're fine...
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
anyone that causes a narcissist to go on the attack is an S+ in my bookoranges wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:19 pmactually they all got forum warningsIndie-ana Jones wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 9:39 pm I've seen at least 2 other people use that mock to stave off the fruit's attention before and I don't think either of them got warnings or bans for it. I'd prefer it be consistent if anything.
also I think sinfulbliss forgot the golden rule, which is that if you're going to be annoying at least be useful too.
there has to be something broken inside of you to make you post hereKendrickorium wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:12 am i havent even read through my peanut thread but after this i'm starting to understand why some players lol at us (forum users)
sinful said he wasn't going to engage in a silly way, so i did the same. both of those posts are so incredibly tame that i personally wouldn't count either of them as insulting. it was a sign-off. a dumb little "until next time, sinful!"iwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:32 am the vibe i got from your post is very "talk-down"-ish. hard to put my finger on it exactly. probably just conrad coming in to one-up you? regardless the post alone just comes off as very snide. the first paragraph adds nothing to the conversation, because the second paragraph of your post says more than it does in less. from my point of view, "it's exhausting to have to explain things that should be simple." at the end of your post also comes off as very snide. i mean your post before that was completely fine. sinful's post to that was also completely fine. there's a very big tonal shift in your post
the only response to that would be more insults, which i am not interested in. the jabs are nothing more than a nice little dessert. if it's all you eat then you'll just make yourself sick.? i do not understand. this is very twofaced. why say you're not interested in responding with more insults when you respond with something that's just enflaming?thank goodness, i wouldn't want you to hurt yourself thinking about it too hard.
that's an entirely fair analysis and one that i can ultimately agree with after considering it.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:32 amthis is entirely besides the point, and ironically enough this is getting off-topic in itself, but i still think it's worthy enough to discuss: i think you misunderstood the point sinful and kendrick were making (i kind of didn't realize this until later, honestly.) first and foremost, kendrick's message on the thread itself was about no-context pictures. that posting story laced images with no context is lame. they were not saying that all of the images were lame or that the thread itself was lame. kendrick's post is still quite a cynical post regardless.dendydoom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:34 pm i was also under the impression that he was being sarcastic in the first place, since his entire point was that we shouldn't be policing each other's tone. ultimately i agreed with him, except that the claws should be kept to the scratching post debate threads, and not our cute little picture sharing threads. he disagreed and said that we should be able to say what we want anywhere because it's good for discussion. so i said exactly what i wanted. it was not good for discussion. an interesting experiment.
this is where i disagree. he just seems to post whatever is on his mind and aligns with however he is feeling that day. there is nothing wrong with that, but i personally see no evidence to point to anything deeper going on. sometimes he disagrees cordially, sometimes he disagrees obstinately. sometimes he posts something funny and witty, sometimes he compares people to concentration camp officers.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:32 am sinful's point about policing each other's tone is more about systematically enforcing tone versus personally choosing to say "i think you are being mean and non-conductive to conversations" - he doesn't want a world where you can just say whatever you want in every thread. he cares about keeping threads on topic... usually, at least. but he also doesn't care to engage messages that are directed towards him if they're just going to be enflaming.
in debates i like to balance being analytical with being a cheeky little shit. i don't mean it personally and i don't take it personally when others do it back. it's all in good fun. i refuse to be a doormat to rhetoric which i disagree with and i would not expect others to do the same. quips and banter are a single rhetorical device among many. but i feel that it's important to remember that longform forum posting is only one facet of my (or anyone else's) interactions with this community. i've said as much before, but i don't use people's posting habits to form deeper implications about their character. only about their posting habits. i feel no ill will toward sinful, except that i sometimes don't like his forum posts. same with other people that i regularly disagree with. i'm sure outside of the player's club cage matches that we often find ourselves in we'd actually get along fine, and i'm open to that. i didn't want him banned, i didn't take it to bus or whatever to complain about it, i just stopped posting when the slapfight became more important than the debate.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:32 am the whole "so i said exactly what i wanted. it was not good for discussion. an interesting experiment." also comes off as very twofaced to me. you seem to be content in posting things that are enflaming. i do not understand you, dendy.
MrStonedOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
Not that I have a stake in this argument either way. But grammatically speaking, I think the word you are looking for may be "Patronizing" or "Condescending" maybe.
honestly, yeah, he'll be just fine
Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:34 amhonestly, yeah, he'll be just fine
but us?
now ekat will the be the only devils advocate in here..
it wasn't purposeful it was just banter, i didnt know he would tilt so hardTheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:36 am oranges worked sinful into a shoot in the year of our lord (2023)
There's always b00tKendrickorium wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:34 amhonestly, yeah, he'll be just fine
but us?
now ekat will the be the only devils advocate in here..
that is very kind and thoughtful of you both, thank you.
MrStonedOne wrote:I always read dendy's walls of text
he's sleeping it's early morning in europistan
The king is dead, and there shall be a queen. But surely YOU would be more up to the job...Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:34 am now ekat will the be the only devils advocate in here..
where is the free contentKendrickorium wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:34 amhonestly, yeah, he'll be just fine
but us?
now ekat will the be the only devils advocate in here..
boot isnt a devils advocate hes just a racist 14yoArchie700 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:39 amThere's always b00tKendrickorium wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:34 amhonestly, yeah, he'll be just fine
but us?
now ekat will the be the only devils advocate in here..
Lower your tone with me if your tracked play time doesn't look like this:Timonk wrote:You have clearly never seen his dickWesoda25 wrote:Genuinely think they should be blacklisted.
Flatulent wrote:of course you can change religion doing it while islamic however makes you lose your head from happiness
At least my team weren't clubbing their own heads trying to hit the ball.
You know the point would be very interesting to debate if it weren't coming from sinfulbliss.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:32 am
sinful's point about policing each other's tone is more about systematically enforcing tone versus personally choosing to say "i think you are being mean and non-conductive to conversations" - he doesn't want a world where you can just say whatever you want in every thread. he cares about keeping threads on topic... usually, at least. but he also doesn't care to engage messages that are directed towards him if they're just going to be enflaming.
You foolishly assume that the Player's Club isn't entirely evil, chaotic and full of darkness. The forumites that dwell here only possess a deep, black void in the spot where their hearts should be, and they come here just to bask in the vast corruption the club offers.WineAllWine wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 4:01 pm I feel like this is going to mess up the natural order of things. For what is light without darkness, good without evil, order without chaos?
WineAllWine wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 4:01 pm I feel like this is going to mess up the natural order of things. For what is light without darkness, good without evil, order without chaos?
I think youre misunderstanding his takes.
not engaging with anything else you posted because it just comes down to “sinful is a shithead” and i half agree- the other half of it being i don’t necessarily agree with your conclusions.
Because he would throw a big baby tantrum and threaten the codebase as leverageKendrickorium wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 5:54 pm id still love to know why oranges is even fucking allowed to post here
go make a fucking coders club or something and get the fuck out
if i was permad because i was retaliating to something that fucking sludge said to me, i'd probably blame him tooArchie700 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 3:42 pmYou know the point would be very interesting to debate if it weren't coming from sinfulbliss.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:32 am
sinful's point about policing each other's tone is more about systematically enforcing tone versus personally choosing to say "i think you are being mean and non-conductive to conversations" - he doesn't want a world where you can just say whatever you want in every thread. he cares about keeping threads on topic... usually, at least. but he also doesn't care to engage messages that are directed towards him if they're just going to be enflaming.
Read the appeal about him comparing kinne to a nazi again and tell me with a straight face that you truly believe he cares about keeping threads on topic. Or tone. Or anything but conflict for its own sake.
People dogpile on him because he actively prefers conflict and starts it, and he even admires conflict in itself. People refuse to engage with him seriously because it is very hard to do it when your opponent's FIRST FUCKING POST is to throw insults at others.
Everything he does paints him not as a champion of players, freedom, or even politeness. Everything he does paint him as a champion of conflict for no reason other than conflict. A contrarian. A baiter. A bad faith arguer.
Calling oranges a sexpest over past issues was just the last straw after a warning that by all rights was much, much worse and he even tried to blame the victim in the appeal.
He's the stereotypical "Steve from accounting" who is too valuable to remove even though if anyone else did half the stuff they did, they'd get fired and blacklisted from the company.Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 6:26 pmBecause he would throw a big baby tantrum and threaten the codebase as leverageKendrickorium wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 5:54 pm id still love to know why oranges is even fucking allowed to post here
go make a fucking coders club or something and get the fuck out
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:11 pm I assume he did it elsewhere because it's fucking goofball and he never half-asses his shitty ideas, he full asses them so both cheeks are absolutely slathered in shit
This is completely false and just a straight up lie with no factual basis in reality.Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 6:26 pmBecause he would throw a big baby tantrum and threaten the codebase as leverageKendrickorium wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 5:54 pm id still love to know why oranges is even fucking allowed to post here
go make a fucking coders club or something and get the fuck out
If I remember correctly a big part of the reason that Timber didn't permanently nuke you from everything was because he didn't know what the consequences to the codebase would be, and said so explicitly in his response to you in one of your appeals, so he absolutely thought there was a potential "this blows up the project" issue with banning you. Whether you actually would do it or not isn't really relevant, that's what your reputation ultimately guided him to think.oranges wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 7:44 pmThis is completely false and just a straight up lie with no factual basis in reality.Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 6:26 pmBecause he would throw a big baby tantrum and threaten the codebase as leverageKendrickorium wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 5:54 pm id still love to know why oranges is even fucking allowed to post here
go make a fucking coders club or something and get the fuck out
there is nothing i can do to threaten the codebase in the way you are implying.
this, yeahKendrickorium wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 6:59 pm a quick little edit to this-- at least sinful PARTICIPATES IN DISCUSSION
Looking past the fact that i've never once threatened some kind of destructive act with my access, lets assume I do lose my mind and do somethingBrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 7:55 pmIf I remember correctly a big part of the reason that Timber didn't permanently nuke you from everything was because he didn't know what the consequences to the codebase would be, and said so explicitly in his response to you in one of your appeals, so he absolutely thought there was a potential "this blows up the project" issue with banning you. Whether you actually would do it or not isn't really relevant, that's what your reputation ultimately guided him to think.oranges wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 7:44 pmThis is completely false and just a straight up lie with no factual basis in reality.Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 6:26 pmBecause he would throw a big baby tantrum and threaten the codebase as leverageKendrickorium wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 5:54 pm id still love to know why oranges is even fucking allowed to post here
go make a fucking coders club or something and get the fuck out
there is nothing i can do to threaten the codebase in the way you are implying.
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"Nobody wants to be the headmin term that actually permanently bans you, because nobody is sure what the true consequences of that would be."
He pretty clearly laid out that he thinks you suck ass lmaooranges wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 8:03 pmI don't know what timberpoes was thinking and i'm not going to assume on their behalfBrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 7:55 pmIf I remember correctly a big part of the reason that Timber didn't permanently nuke you from everything was because he didn't know what the consequences to the codebase would be, and said so explicitly in his response to you in one of your appeals, so he absolutely thought there was a potential "this blows up the project" issue with banning you. Whether you actually would do it or not isn't really relevant, that's what your reputation ultimately guided him to think.oranges wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 7:44 pmThis is completely false and just a straight up lie with no factual basis in reality.Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 6:26 pmBecause he would throw a big baby tantrum and threaten the codebase as leverageKendrickorium wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 5:54 pm id still love to know why oranges is even fucking allowed to post here
go make a fucking coders club or something and get the fuck out
there is nothing i can do to threaten the codebase in the way you are implying.
viewtopic.php?f=34&t=31891&p=643612&hil ... st#p643612
"Nobody wants to be the headmin term that actually permanently bans you, because nobody is sure what the true consequences of that would be."
he's making a really good point here ban him from the players club.oranges wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 8:03 pmLooking past the fact that i've never once threatened some kind of destructive act with my access, lets assume I do lose my mind and do somethingBrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 7:55 pmIf I remember correctly a big part of the reason that Timber didn't permanently nuke you from everything was because he didn't know what the consequences to the codebase would be, and said so explicitly in his response to you in one of your appeals, so he absolutely thought there was a potential "this blows up the project" issue with banning you. Whether you actually would do it or not isn't really relevant, that's what your reputation ultimately guided him to think.oranges wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 7:44 pmThis is completely false and just a straight up lie with no factual basis in reality.Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 6:26 pmBecause he would throw a big baby tantrum and threaten the codebase as leverageKendrickorium wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 5:54 pm id still love to know why oranges is even fucking allowed to post here
go make a fucking coders club or something and get the fuck out
there is nothing i can do to threaten the codebase in the way you are implying.
viewtopic.php?f=34&t=31891&p=643612&hil ... st#p643612
"Nobody wants to be the headmin term that actually permanently bans you, because nobody is sure what the true consequences of that would be."
First there are 4 github owners
myself
mothblocks
spookydonut
ninjanomnom
any one of the other three can demote me at literally any point in time.
Even if i somehow managed to demote all of them and delete the repository in some way that github support couldn't restore it, it's literally mirrored on the computers of teh 100+ contributors who all contribute to the game and is on the servers.
The disruption would be entirely temporary.
Putting that aside then, the thing is I have a lot more access with which supposed damage could be done
I have access to the databases, I have access to the domain admin machines, I have control over the tgstation13.org domain.
Point is, I don't see those things as leverage and i've never threatened anyone with some kind of destructive act in response to being punished for my actions (which has happened many times)
I don't know what timberpoes was thinking and i'm not going to assume on their behalf, but the only consequences they can imagine are assumed in their own head, the only way they can torpedo the codebase is if they do something so abhorrently bad as to alienate the entire contributor base at once.
I don't want to be accused of things I wouldn't do, I've had plenty of opportunities to supposedly exact revenge on someone by destroying things and I never have because none of those thing actually belong to me, they're held in trust for the community of the game, which matters a lot more than me than some falling out with timberpoes over a discord message.
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