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Title. This term is probably the one where it finally happens but what are your thoughts on this topic? Do YOU support nonhuman heads of staff? Why??Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
non-human HOS sounds like the worst idea, its bad enough when the warden and officers are nonhumans so the AI completely ignores them.
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
I wasn't there for that round but someone was talking about it in discord later in the evening.warbluke wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 9:12 pmPeople commented on it and went "Hey that's weird" but other than that nothing really came of it. Maybe something cool would have happened if not for the aforementioned power sink and resulting delam.
On Bagil at least it feels like we have nonhuman captains more often than human since the pool of head players is already tiny, and acting captains are the norm most shifts anyway.
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
let CE and CMO be non humans since they arent as important as RD and HOS
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
I think it should be a station trait or if someone wants to play as a non human head of staff someone with human as their primary that picks that role will have higher priority.
I want to say limit it to cmo/ce/rd but we were already going to limit it to qm, its literally a "give em an inch and theyll end up taking a mile" dilemma and if we are going to draw a line at some point it needs to be solid.
I want to say limit it to cmo/ce/rd but we were already going to limit it to qm, its literally a "give em an inch and theyll end up taking a mile" dilemma and if we are going to draw a line at some point it needs to be solid.
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
Absolutely yes. I get that all the LRP players want to keep their racism, but come on now, you're not funny.
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
Its sovl...
Everyone says this constantly, but other than debatably silicon laws, this shrimply is not true in gamethey don't respect non-human rights and it adds an interesting element to playing a non-human.
The only speciesm ive been subject has been disgusting rule 8 shit or actual miserable fnr overescalation griff
It could be interesting, I want it to be, but it just hasnt been in my experience, because the playerbase isnt all that interested in making it so
That being said, I hate change so I dont want nonhuman heads
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
No. Player freedom is important, but more important is the vibe. Human heads is a part of the vibe.
What is being asked for here (maybe not by you) sucks the lore out of the station in the name of letting people "do the thing". It's akin to "gives my job bigger gun because I want bigger gun"
Vibe is more important.
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
Humans are the only species who are default, they have no mechanical pros or cons. BUT!
Them being able to be in command and having Asimov protection from silicon's is their de facto PRO. And I don't think one of those pros should be removed.
Them being able to be in command and having Asimov protection from silicon's is their de facto PRO. And I don't think one of those pros should be removed.
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
More importantly, where's the nanotrasen royal rumble at?
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
I want to fucking use the command plasmaman envio suits, please make non humans head eligible or at least spawn those suits in
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
Dock their pay or something or remove brig access from them. A moth being a CMO round start doesn't do shit to our vibeTheFinalPotato wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 2:48 amNo. Player freedom is important, but more important is the vibe. Human heads is a part of the vibe.
What is being asked for here (maybe not by you) sucks the lore out of the station in the name of letting people "do the thing". It's akin to "gives my job bigger gun because I want bigger gun"
Vibe is more important.
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
Just had a very fun and funny round with a speciest hoptain so i guess ill have to eat my words here
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
Can it at least be a station trait?
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
Station trait + low pop
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
Station trait and low pop
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
no and no
joooks wrote:Quoting a legend, at least im not a faggot lolNaloac wrote:
In short, this appeal is denied. Suck my nuts retard.
See you in 12 months unless you blacklist me for this
Timberpoes wrote: ↑ I'm going to admin timonk [...]. Fuck it, he's also now my second host vote if goof rejects.
pikeyeskey13 wrote: ↑ ok don't forget to shove it up your ass lmao oops u can delete this one I just wanted to make sure it went through
Agux909 wrote:Woah bravo there sir, post of the month you saved the thread. I feel overwhelmed by the echo of unlimited wisdom and usefulness sprouting from you post. Every Manuel player now feels embarrased to exist because of your much NEEDED wise words, you sure teached'em all, you genius, IQ lord.Timonk wrote:This is why we make fun of Manuel
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
xenos getting head roles during round progression is fun and good, and also rare enough to keep it fresh, since there would be a different head role being xenos'd each time.
roundstart xenos heads would just make it mundane. station trait for a head role/a random number of head roles could be maybe possibly neat citation needed. not sure on that one because it would entice players into doing xenos head promotions for the sake of it more often and in rounds where it wasn't really necessary by circumstance or otherwise, provided this station trait isn't live on this theoretical shift. which is lame
roundstart xenos heads would just make it mundane. station trait for a head role/a random number of head roles could be maybe possibly neat citation needed. not sure on that one because it would entice players into doing xenos head promotions for the sake of it more often and in rounds where it wasn't really necessary by circumstance or otherwise, provided this station trait isn't live on this theoretical shift. which is lame
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
Wont fix the issue unless it's announced in lobby somehow. Nonhumans dont sign up for command at all.
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
why would third class citizens have the right to prestige
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
A head of staff is not prestige its additional responsibilities, nobody respects or cares about a head of staff, its just wanted because the roles have more agency.
Prestige is having your department be the only one that is still functional, safe, and clean after the rest of the station was wiped, the opposite of prestige is crying for shuttle call after you literally fucking bombed yourself (engies and sm delam or sci and toxins)
Prestige is having your department be the only one that is still functional, safe, and clean after the rest of the station was wiped, the opposite of prestige is crying for shuttle call after you literally fucking bombed yourself (engies and sm delam or sci and toxins)
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
i'm not arguing ingame prestige i'm arguing lore prestige you moronMooCow12 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:42 pm A head of staff is not prestige its additional responsibilities, nobody respects or cares about a head of staff, its just wanted because the roles have more agency.
Prestige is having your department be the only one that is still functional, safe, and clean after the rest of the station was wiped, the opposite of prestige is crying for shuttle call after you literally fucking bombed yourself (engies and sm delam or sci and toxins)
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
You can be a blind quadriplegic chain-smoking alcoholic hallucinating command role because the idea appeals to you, and you either do your job or you can't, with everyone else in the round reacting accordingly. You should therefore be able to play (at least some) non-humans in command roles, with all the potential challenges this involves, because the idea this appeals to you, and you either do your job or you can't, with everyone else in the round reacting accordingly. I still stand by my "lip service to inclusion, complete failure to accommodate for actual needs" standpoint w.r.t. I think a giant-ass future corporation would do.
If "novelty" is the only possible reason someone can think of that someone would want to do this, their failure of imagination is not my problem.
If "novelty" is the only possible reason someone can think of that someone would want to do this, their failure of imagination is not my problem.
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
id say no but maybe make a station trait that allows it idk
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
No thanks. Practically every other server offers this.
Why muddy what makes TG unique?
I want to be discriminated against for playing a lizard when on TG because other servers don't offer anything material towards that.
This would be an incentive to not do that.
Why muddy what makes TG unique?
I want to be discriminated against for playing a lizard when on TG because other servers don't offer anything material towards that.
This would be an incentive to not do that.
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
if you wanna be called a nigger you can just say that, thats about all the discrimination you get as a lizard, and i say this as someone that has played a fair ammount of lizardMisdoubtful wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:14 pm No thanks. Practically every other server offers this.
Why muddy what makes TG unique?
I want to be discriminated against for playing a lizard when on TG because other servers don't offer anything material towards that.
This would be an incentive to not do that.
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:20 pmif you wanna be called a nigger you can just say that, thats about all the discrimination you get as a lizard, and i say this as someone that has played a fair ammount of lizardMisdoubtful wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:14 pm No thanks. Practically every other server offers this.
Why muddy what makes TG unique?
I want to be discriminated against for playing a lizard when on TG because other servers don't offer anything material towards that.
This would be an incentive to not do that.
I get plenty of discrimination that doesn't involve being called ligger.
Manuel sucks at it currently, the other community servers are great at it and have a lot of lessons people can pick up on doing it.
You really need to experience the other servers more, and regularly before saying this. Because it's out there on those other servers right now.
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
Roundstart xeno heads, but they're xenomorphs with different sprites and can speak common.
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
you forgot they also speak a flavour hugbox language
joooks wrote:Quoting a legend, at least im not a faggot lolNaloac wrote:
In short, this appeal is denied. Suck my nuts retard.
See you in 12 months unless you blacklist me for this
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Agux909 wrote:Woah bravo there sir, post of the month you saved the thread. I feel overwhelmed by the echo of unlimited wisdom and usefulness sprouting from you post. Every Manuel player now feels embarrased to exist because of your much NEEDED wise words, you sure teached'em all, you genius, IQ lord.Timonk wrote:This is why we make fun of Manuel
The hut has perished at my hands.
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
I disagreeEmpressMaia wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 12:15 pm A moth being a CMO round start doesn't do shit to our vibe
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:20 pmif you wanna be called a nigger you can just say that, thats about all the discrimination you get as a lizard, and i say this as someone that has played a fair ammount of lizardMisdoubtful wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:14 pm No thanks. Practically every other server offers this.
Why muddy what makes TG unique?
I want to be discriminated against for playing a lizard when on TG because other servers don't offer anything material towards that.
This would be an incentive to not do that.
LOL?????
Feels like you just want to say nigger and were waiting for an opportunity to do so
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
Let our boys in the envirosuits into the command club
No-one else though
No-one else though
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
QM's now trying to act like heads and still able to be xeno is already too much.
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you give them a pinky and they will take your arm
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
it was way better when QMs weren't a head and were exiled from bridge vibing with the other heads. it made them a hero of the people. a true unionist who stood up for the crew when command started getting too big for their britches. someone with the power of cargo but detached from the bureaucracy of loyalist command. now they're a class traitor. absolutely disgraceful.
then it's on us to tell more interesting stories. the potential is there. the ruling that makes the funny lizard word valid feels like it's reduced that aspect quite a bit. people on manuel always got their head kicked in for saying it anyway. i've been on the tail end (lol) of IC prejudice as a disgusting cat person and it has been an interesting facet of my character to get to engage with.cSeal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 2:40 amEveryone says this constantly, but other than debatably silicon laws, this shrimply is not true in gamethey don't respect non-human rights and it adds an interesting element to playing a non-human.
The only speciesm ive been subject has been disgusting rule 8 shit or actual miserable fnr overescalation griff
It could be interesting, I want it to be, but it just hasnt been in my experience, because the playerbase isnt all that interested in making it so
That being said, I hate change so I dont want nonhuman heads
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
2real4medendydoom wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:15 am it was way better when QMs weren't a head and were exiled from bridge vibing with the other heads. it made them a hero of the people. a true unionist who stood up for the crew when command started getting too big for their britches. someone with the power of cargo but detached from the bureaucracy of loyalist command. now they're a class traitor. absolutely disgraceful.
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Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:11 pm I assume he did it elsewhere because it's fucking goofball and he never half-asses his shitty ideas, he full asses them so both cheeks are absolutely slathered in shit
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
kieth4 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 6:31 amEmpressMaia wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:20 pmif you wanna be called a nigger you can just say that, thats about all the discrimination you get as a lizard, and i say this as someone that has played a fair ammount of lizardMisdoubtful wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:14 pm No thanks. Practically every other server offers this.
Why muddy what makes TG unique?
I want to be discriminated against for playing a lizard when on TG because other servers don't offer anything material towards that.
This would be an incentive to not do that.
LOL?????
Feels like you just want to say nigger and were waiting for an opportunity to do so
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
Ligger was the epitome of the kind of endlessly parroted "I am going to act racist but with aliens instead of black people" slop that I dont want to see more of
and the only thing of slight interest it generated was 15 seconds of low tier physical conflict. if speciesm is to be a defining trait of tg, things like ligger should be discouraged
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
double post to make a hot take, if common core was actually implemented and made obvious in game beyond food descriptions most people dont read, speciesm stocks would increase ten thousand fold overnight
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Re: Nonhuman heads of staff, yay or nay?
the species requirement to play HOP gave me some motivation to play as a different character but on the other hand the word yay is fun to say
yay!
yay!
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