Having a Crate time ban appeal nut

[iwishforducks]

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[RedBaronFlyer]

Someone responded to my post but they deleted it, bummer.

I think its sort of fucked up to do so im going to snitch, dirk_mcblade routinely emptyquotes you and deletes his posts just 2 fuck with you

Nah it was Prussen.

[Timonk]

Someone responded to my post but they deleted it, bummer.

I think its sort of fucked up to do so im going to snitch, dirk_mcblade routinely emptyquotes you and deletes his posts just 2 fuck with you

He would never

[dendydoom]

Someone responded to my post but they deleted it, bummer.

I think its sort of fucked up to do so im going to snitch, dirk_mcblade routinely emptyquotes you and deletes his posts just 2 fuck with you

i can read deleted posts and this is correct, kinda fucked up ngl

[Kendrickorium]

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Hi could you explain to me the reasoning behind your thread title

[iwishforducks]

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Hi could you explain to me the reasoning behind your thread title

he sprited the now-soon-to-be-replaced crates

[Kendrickorium]

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Hi could you explain to me the reasoning behind your thread title

he sprited the now-soon-to-be-replaced crates

i would have rather you referred to him somehow as Crate Man and not used it as the verb but it's still a really crate thread title
Crate Man Crates Crate Cratastrophy would have been more appropriate I think

7.8/10

[dirk_mcblade]

Make tgstation... Crate again?

[Bepis]

If my pupper doesn't like sleeping in his crate, is he resisting a rest

edit: again the new crate PR looks awesome, I can only hope MTandi does medkits and closets in the same style

[Prussen]

Someone responded to my post but they deleted it, bummer.

Hey mods why did you remove my post

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[Timonk]

Someone responded to my post but they deleted it, bummer.

Hey mods why did you remove my post

they removed you from the game too

[Prussen]

Someone responded to my post but they deleted it, bummer.

Hey mods why did you remove my post

they removed you from the game too

Really? I hadn't figured that out let me go check, thanks for the heads up

[Timonk]

Someone responded to my post but they deleted it, bummer.

Hey mods why did you remove my post

they removed you from the game too

Really? I hadn't figured that out let me go check, thanks for the heads up

yea kinda fucked up how you told an admin to kill themselves

[Chadley]

I lost a bet to Keith about this ban, thank God he doesn't have the memory nor ability to cash in on it anymore.

[Prussen]

Someone responded to my post but they deleted it, bummer.

Hey mods why did you remove my post

they removed you from the game too

Really? I hadn't figured that out let me go check, thanks for the heads up

yea kinda fucked up how you told an admin to kill themselves

Hey man it would be cool if you stopped spreading misinformation, borb did that actually

[oranges]

I lost a bet to Keith about this ban, thank God he doesn't have the memory nor ability to cash in on it anymore.

what was the bet

[Chadley]

I lost a bet to Keith about this ban, thank God he doesn't have the memory nor ability to cash in on it anymore.

what was the bet

I bet Viro would get banned for something overtly misogynist. He said it'd be anything else.

[DrAmazing343]

This is going to be a mess of thoughts so I'ma spoil it:

Spoiler:

I am a bit bummed that Viro left because it's clear they had dedication
I just don't think their color scheme or designs fit the rest of TG well
it's a shame they never really adjusted them because Viro's sprites can look good on TG with the right tweaks

Viro was 100% baiting people with the github thing
at the same time people have been incredibly hostile towards Viro
simultaneously Viro has been intentionally inflammatory and hostile
I am unsure who started it first but it's pretty clear both sides weren't going to budge, ever
I am unsure if Viro actually got special treatment as they were a regular contributor, but from a players perspective it looked like it due to the extremely fast merging of the crates + the merging of the cargo recolor + redesign when they didn't even recolor everything
this, combined with Viro acting like gods gift to the earth whenever a PR got merged, being incredibly condescending towards players, and the design/coloring change that most of their resprites brought, led to them being detested by a lot of people

their behavior towards Moff was far out of line
Moffs comments could be taken as being condescending, but I am 100% sure they meant well
Moffs thing about the color theory is understandably insulting from the perspective of an experienced spriter but I do not imagine they knew Viro was an experienced spriter, and I imagine they would have left such a comment on anyone's PR
at the same time TG is filled to the brim with full on aggressive to the point that people interpret being overly polite and stepping on eggshells to be a slight against them
Viro has a fragile ego and anything but praise gets them spitting acid, especially from users who haven't sprited, have sprited less than them, or aren't a spritetainer or sprite buddy.

the doxxing thing is important to understand in context because Viro didn't full on say to Moff "Be lucky I don't doxx like I used to", as Moff had long since left the sprite channel, they were talking to their spriter buddies
at the same time talking about doxxing at all, and especially stating that you had done it in the past to people who pissed you off is INCREDIBLY stupid, especially within such a short timespan of ranting against a person and insulting them repeatedly

it's a cultural norm at this point for contributors look down at the pl*yers and for the players to look down at the c*ders/sp*rters
both of these attitudes are self defeating, destructive, and toxic
I really wish the administration on both sides would try and clamp down on this, but I am unsure how it could be done
people posting "viro is gone" celebration pics frustrated me to be honest

I wish players were less toxic towards contributors
I wish contributors were less toxic and demeaning to players
I wish people would actually have good faith debates as opposed to both sides acting like fucking idiots
I wish we had old mosins back and old cargo back tbh

I love new mosins...

On a more serious note, very, very happy to see Viro gone. MoffNyan is very, very friendly, and has a LOT of well-meaning intentions. I don't believe their writeup was condescending at all, really, tg just has a bit of an environment that fosters paranoia about those sorts of things with how some our folks get. Viro's an INCORRIGIBLE asshole either way, even if I respect (relative) skill and dedication on their part spriting for tg

[dirk_mcblade]

Moff pretty thoroughly spelled out what was wrong with the sprites so I don't get why viro got mad. They got a lot of constructive criticism for free and if it was condescending it was well deserved given they sprited those lockers to look as though someone threw a bomb inside them.

[CPTANT]

Moff pretty thoroughly spelled out what was wrong with the sprites so I don't get why viro got mad.

This is exactly why he got mad.

[RedBaronFlyer]

Moff pretty thoroughly spelled out what was wrong with the sprites so I don't get why viro got mad.

This is exactly why he got mad.

again if I had to put money on what line broke the camel's back it was probably the one where Moff (intentionally or not) said that Viro should practice color theory more or something.

[CMDR_Gungnir]

Moff pretty thoroughly spelled out what was wrong with the sprites so I don't get why viro got mad.

This is exactly why he got mad.

again if I had to put money on what line broke the camel's back it was probably the one where Moff (intentionally or not) said that Viro should practice color theory more or something.

I am personally of the opinion that telling the guy who constantly uses Colour Theory in arguments against people, that he should study Colour Theory more, is fucking hilarious.

[CPTANT]

I am personally of the opinion that telling the guy who constantly uses Colour Theory in arguments against people, that he should study Colour Theory more, is fucking hilarious.

The most funny thing is that he started by egging people on to shit on his proposal, but that he completely exploded by that one sentence, which was basically what he asked for.

[dirk_mcblade]

Moff pretty thoroughly spelled out what was wrong with the sprites so I don't get why viro got mad.

This is exactly why he got mad.

again if I had to put money on what line broke the camel's back it was probably the one where Moff (intentionally or not) said that Viro should practice color theory more or something.

If the shoe fits then wear it. If your understanding of color theory sucks then go study it more.

[Higgin]

It doesn't, but most of what Viro was doing that was reprehensible occurred on the Discord and not the GIthub. They were warned by a maintainer for rage-baiting in the PR title/body and they fixed that part.

It would be like us banning someone from the servers for being a dickhead on the forums.

our consensus back on Bubberstation was that if you did something serious and shitty enough to cop a perma from any game space, we'd ban you from all of them - some people might just not be able to function well in one setting or the other, might get along well enough if you just take away their ability to post, but in a lot of cases whatever you'd done to cop a perma was dispositive enough of a terrible attitude towards other community members that it would be unfair to risk subjecting the community to it anywhere.

does Viro play at all? would he still be able to enjoy the community and not be toxic to folks if he just wasn't on Discord or the Git?

edit: or even just Discord since that's where this ban currently applies, idk - it seems like the record suggests he can't do well being on both, though, and I'm not sure he'd want to be around or participate healthily in either if he wasn't. the apology and what he's said he wants to do are encouraging to me at least.

[Vekter]

It doesn't, but most of what Viro was doing that was reprehensible occurred on the Discord and not the GIthub. They were warned by a maintainer for rage-baiting in the PR title/body and they fixed that part.

It would be like us banning someone from the servers for being a dickhead on the forums.

our consensus back on Bubberstation was that if you did something serious and shitty enough to cop a perma from any game space, we'd ban you from all of them - some people might just not be able to function well in one setting or the other, might get along well enough if you just take away their ability to post, but in a lot of cases whatever you'd done to cop a perma was dispositive enough of a terrible attitude towards other community members that it would be unfair to risk subjecting the community to it anywhere.

does Viro play at all? would he still be able to enjoy the community and not be toxic to folks if he just wasn't on Discord or the Git?

The general mindset of the administration is that some people just can't be in specific spaces for some reason. There are at least a few forum posters who are fucking awful to deal with on the forums but give us zero issues in-game. They don't want to ban someone from everything just because they're hard to deal with on one specific platform.

[TheFinalPotato]

our consensus back on Bubberstation was that if you did something serious and shitty enough to cop a perma from any game space, we'd ban you from all of them - some people might just not be able to function well in one setting or the other, might get along well enough if you just take away their ability to post, but in a lot of cases whatever you'd done to cop a perma was dispositive enough of a terrible attitude towards other community members that it would be unfair to risk subjecting the community to it anywhere.

does Viro play at all? would he still be able to enjoy the community and not be toxic to folks if he just wasn't on Discord or the Git?

edit: or even just Discord since that's where this ban currently applies, idk - it seems like the record suggests he can't do well being on both, though, and I'm not sure he'd want to be around or participate healthily in either if he wasn't. the apology and what he's said he wants to do are encouraging to me at least.

Separation between codebase and server is absolute (sorta). We are different groups, it's just the admins let us bum on their couch (discord).
The decision is up to different people, who make decisions for different reasons. Frankly the doxxing part of this ban is bs, what holds water is viro being a dick, and he's said he won't do that on the repo currently, so why ban him?

[knightlyeli]

Cool! What a great crate! My great-great grandfather had a crate that was greater than thi-

[CPTANT]

our consensus back on Bubberstation was that if you did something serious and shitty enough to cop a perma from any game space, we'd ban you from all of them - some people might just not be able to function well in one setting or the other, might get along well enough if you just take away their ability to post, but in a lot of cases whatever you'd done to cop a perma was dispositive enough of a terrible attitude towards other community members that it would be unfair to risk subjecting the community to it anywhere.

does Viro play at all? would he still be able to enjoy the community and not be toxic to folks if he just wasn't on Discord or the Git?

edit: or even just Discord since that's where this ban currently applies, idk - it seems like the record suggests he can't do well being on both, though, and I'm not sure he'd want to be around or participate healthily in either if he wasn't. the apology and what he's said he wants to do are encouraging to me at least.

Separation between codebase and server is absolute (sorta). We are different groups, it's just the admins let us bum on their couch (discord).
The decision is up to different people, who make decisions for different reasons. Frankly the doxxing part of this ban is bs, what holds water is viro being a dick, and he's said he won't do that on the repo currently, so why ban him?

Honestly I think what he is just as relevant for the repo as for discord since it was 100% about what was happening on his PR. He was being an ass about feedback there, I don't think the channel being used is that relevant.

[Dax Dupont]

does Viro play at all? would he still be able to enjoy the community and not be toxic to folks if he just wasn't on Discord or the Git?

edit: or even just Discord since that's where this ban currently applies, idk - it seems like the record suggests he can't do well being on both, though, and I'm not sure he'd want to be around or participate healthily in either if he wasn't. the apology and what he's said he wants to do are encouraging to me at least.

Public information, not since 2022
https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/ckey/Laminade

[RedBaronFlyer]

does Viro play at all? would he still be able to enjoy the community and not be toxic to folks if he just wasn't on Discord or the Git?

edit: or even just Discord since that's where this ban currently applies, idk - it seems like the record suggests he can't do well being on both, though, and I'm not sure he'd want to be around or participate healthily in either if he wasn't. the apology and what he's said he wants to do are encouraging to me at least.

Public information, not since 2022
https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/ckey/Laminade

I am shocked! SHOCKED! Well, not that shocked.

[Bmon]

Man has only played a total of ten rounds on TG. What the fuck?

[RedBaronFlyer]

Man has only played a total of ten rounds on TG. What the fuck?

Not unheard of for coders/spriters to post their PRs upstream. Plus, I imagine the TG coding/spriting discords are probably the hub for all TG and downstream servers that use TG as a base.