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Once upon a midnight dreary, manuel players, weak and weary. Along comes shockshard to save the day! with his endless administrative antagonistic fray!
Here Shock shard spawns in as the traitor acting captain of the shift, gives himself prison equipment? and sets him name to 'unknown'.
09:49:46 GAME ShockShard/(ghost) Client ShockShard/(ghost) has taken ownership of mob the ghost(/mob/dead/observer) (95, 123, 2) Space
09:50:00 ADMIN ShockShard/(Richard Creech) checked antagonists.
09:53:59 ACCESS Mob Login: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) was assigned to a /mob/living/carbon/human
09:53:59 GAME ShockShard/(Richard Creech) Client ShockShard/(Richard Creech) has taken ownership of mob Richard Creech(/mob/living/carbon/human) (57, 37, 2) Prison Rec Room
09:53:59 ADMIN *no key*/(Richard Creech) changed the equipment of ShockShard/(Richard Creech) to Prisoner.
09:54:17 GAME ShockShard/(Richard Creech) Richard Creech name changed from Richard Creech to Unknown (57, 37, 2) Prison Rec Room
Shortly after, shock shard spawns himself in a security radio headset? along with tons of pumpkins! for some reason!
09:54:47 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/radio/headset/headset_sec
09:55:08 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin/blumpkin
09:55:10 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin/blumpkin
09:55:12 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin/blumpkin
09:55:13 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin/blumpkin
09:55:14 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin/blumpkin
09:55:15 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin/blumpkin
09:55:17 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin/blumpkin
09:55:18 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin/blumpkin
09:55:19 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin/blumpkin
09:55:20 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin/blumpkin
09:55:33 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin
09:55:34 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin
09:55:35 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin
09:55:36 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin
09:55:37 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin
09:55:38 ADMIN ShockShard/(Unknown) created a /obj/item/food/grown/pumpkin
Right after, the game automatically deadmins him due to being an antagonist. to which he responds which setting himself back into admin!
09:56:17 ADMIN ShockShard deadmined via auto-deadmin config.
09:56:17 GAME ShockShard/(Unknown) has gained antag datum �Traitor(/datum/antagonist/traitor).
09:56:24 TRAITOR ShockShard/(Unknown) has received a potential objective: /datum/traitor_objective/destroy_item/low_risk (Name: Steal the bartender's shotgun and destroy it, TC: 1, Progression: 5032, Time of creation: 45413.5) | Forced: 0
09:56:24 TRAITOR ShockShard/(Unknown) missed /datum/traitor_objective/sabotage_machinery/trap (Name: Sabotage the department protolathe (Science), TC: 0, Progression: 2126.04, Time of creation: 45340.5)
09:56:26 ADMIN ShockShard re-adminned themselves.
then shock changes himself into a heretic and re-admins himself!
09:56:49 ADMIN ShockShard deadmined via auto-deadmin config.
09:56:49 GAME ShockShard/(Unknown) has gained antag datum �Heretic(/datum/antagonist/heretic).
09:56:55 ADMIN ShockShard re-adminned themselves.
Later he spawns himself a fountain pen to make a codex cicatrix!
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:01 pm
The major worry is the sheer number of things that went down.
This is the stack of issues as I see it:
Admin self-inserts into shift (not inherently against conduct, but not an ideal way to enter as a player)
Admin spawns some items on self-inserting into the shift (not inherently against conduct, frowned upon unless running an event)
Admin gets antag after this (not against conduct to become an antag out of your own control due to code fuckery)
Admin keeps their antag after this (not within the spirit of conduct since you didn't enter the shift as an ordinary crew member, may be passable as an event, but also not within the spirit of event conduct to **use** your antag status)
Admin TC trades with themself (against conduct, may be passable as part of an event, but also not within the spirit of event conduct to **use** your antag status)
Admin stays adminned while antag (not within the spirit of conduct, may be passable as an event, but also not within the spirit of event conduct to **use** your antag status)
Admin checks antags and is actively monitoring dead chat while antag (against conduct, may be passable as an event, but also not within the spirit of event conduct to **use** your antag status)
Admin spawns items in as an antag (against conduct, may be passable as an event, but also not within the spirit of event conduct to **use** your antag status)
Admin then romps around lowpop attacking/killing and even round removing some people using their antag status (pretty much invalidates any idea this was a valid event, cascading backwards to multiple conduct breaches)
Admin comments in dsay about their difficulty ascending (pretty much unvalidates any idea this was a valid event, cascading backwards to multiple conduct breaches)
When it seems like the objectively bad decision is taken at every single point from insertion into the shift all the way through to killing players, there are problems.
I did a dive of their last 50 shifts and found another instance in https://tgstation13.download/parsed-log ... nd-200894/ of them spawning in items and then seeming to just playmin the shift as an ordinary crew member.
[200894] [2023-02-27 15:48:16.089] EMOTE: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) points at Jacob J Holden (Medbay Treatment Center (84,105,2))
[200894] [2023-02-27 15:48:21.284] EMOTE: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) nods. (Medbay Treatment Center (87,102,2))
[200894] [2023-02-27 15:48:51.352] EMOTE: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) points at Vex Petunia-Licht (Bar Lounge (138,127,2))
[200894] [2023-02-27 15:49:09.850] SAY: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) "Head of Personnel. I request a promotion as we have no Research Director...I have a gift in exchange." (Bar Lounge (138,127,2))
[200894] [2023-02-27 15:49:39.585] SAY: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) "No, just making a donation for Botany and saying there is a slot to fill." (Bar Lounge (138,127,2))
[200894] [2023-02-27 15:49:41.286] EMOTE: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) winks. (Bar Lounge (138,127,2))
[200894] [2023-02-27 15:50:00.173] EMOTE: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) nods (Bar Lounge (138,127,2))
[200894] [2023-02-27 15:50:03.241] SAY: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) "Here it is, regardless" (Bar Lounge (138,127,2))
[200894] [2023-02-27 15:50:36.564] SAY: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) "Hmm" (Starboard Primary Hallway (144,138,2))
[200894] [2023-02-27 15:50:56.638] SAY: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) "I'm not quite sure what you are talking about, Chief Medical Officer." (Starboard Primary Hallway (144,138,2))
[200894] [2023-02-27 15:50:58.723] EMOTE: ShockShard/(Richard Creech) winks. (Starboard Primary Hallway (144,138,2))
And playing another self-insert antagonist-adjacent type. Notably, I suspect this part was conversation using the m1911 they gave themself when they joined the shift.
Syndicate Major Victory!
Clandestine Enterprises operatives have destroyed Central Safety Relay XXV!
The syndicate operatives were:
Borisvanmemes was Hailey Clandestine Enterprises the Lone Operative and survived
Doing these kinds of dives are both tedius and exhausting.
But something strikes me as inherently off about admin buttons being used in that way. Does anyone else feel the same way or would this example be an acceptable use of admin buttons?
If this is the round I think it is, this was AFTER he'd spawned himself in as a Syndicate Inspector claiming to have intercepted the signal we sent to Central Command about an eldritch altar that creates pants, and then bought Plasma off of the Captain. I was a CMO that round and the only person to notice him.
I also remember the claim that one of the Ops was a natural spawn, but that may be my memory being wrong, as I'd kinda just put this out of my mind/memory until you showed this to remind me.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:16 pm
I highly doubt any other admin on the team would have given you this chance, except maybe Kieth because his brain worms are almost as bad as mine.
Vekter wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 4:45 pm
At what point does someone's refusal or failure to improve become malice in and of itself? If you give someone a year to stop shitting on the carpet and they keep doing it but get slightly closer to the bathroom every time and sometimes they get to the toilet before it happens, at what point does it become acceptable to just ask them to go shit in someone else's house?
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:00 pm
I'm sorry, can we get a real player to resolve this appeal? I don't like this trial player. They can't even set their own name.
Chadley wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:00 am
WENDEZ, cute, cute. I imagine the sleeper activation code when I hear it. That's pretty cool. qB). But I don't like that it doesn't line up to be anything obsurd like WEWLAD. 6/10
SUGMA, nevermind it makes sense now. fuckyou/10
kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:34 pm
If it goes to appeals I will stand as the shield and protect this man's right to shit himself. Heavy is the head that wears the crown.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑I almost prefer Rave's AI-generated "We cannot accept this appeal at this time. If you would like assistance appealing in the future, please dial 1-800-1984-1488."
Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:25 pm
I think we can all agree that someone throwing a reverse revolver at Zyb as a secret test of character, and Zyb immediately fucking himself with it, is the best thing we all could have received for Christmas this year
BrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 8:54 pm
Man fuck this. I love admin events. Give me more admin events. I don't care if some of them turn out poopy.
Gimme some wackass shit, intervene in my rounds, smite me at random, give me weird guns that barely work, spawn it items that exist in code that nobody's ever fuckin seen. I want admins to make shit thoroughly fuckin' weird every time I play.
Sure.
I normally go by Ricky. Tell me how'd I dohere. ⋆ 𝒯𝒶𝓀𝒾𝓃𝑔 𝒶 𝓈𝒶𝒷𝒶𝓉𝒾𝒸𝒶𝓁. ⋆
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dendydoom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 11:51 am
conrad is a badass
The Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
Drag wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:51 pm
We should do a weighted random headmins vote, let God decide
It would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
Lacran wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:02 pm
If you can't do the time, don't play a mime
kayozz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:04 pm
Don't wanna get beat? Keep your clown shoes on your feet.
kieth4 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:03 pm
I have clapped women with cat ears but I would not clap a cat fr kinda a flarped up connection
Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:13 pm
I don't care if you disagree, you're wrong.
yttriums wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:13 am
borg players shouldn't be able to ahelp. you signed up to play as a piece of equipment. this is like a table ahelping you for wrenching it
dendydoom wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:02 pm
basically what we learned from this is that i continue to be right about everything
complaints like this and the headadmins unerring ability to make everything unfun becuase of a concern about a player possibly not having fun in a game that requires at least 25% of the playerbase to not have fun in any given round is exactly why there are so few people who want to be admins these days.
oranges wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:56 pm
complaints like this and the headadmins unerring ability to make everything unfun becuase of a concern about a player possibly not having fun in a game that requires at least 25% of the playerbase to not have fun in any given round is exactly why there are so few people who want to be admins these days.
Is there ever a situation where an admin does something fun for a large majority of the server (that isnt something very dumb to do from an admin POV) and they are administratively disciplined anyway? If something is done in good faith, the server will see it even if they arent necessarily having "fun" with the event
oranges wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:56 pm
complaints like this and the headadmins unerring ability to make everything unfun becuase of a concern about a player possibly not having fun in a game that requires at least 25% of the playerbase to not have fun in any given round is exactly why there are so few people who want to be admins these days.
Broly is disgusting but he also has a point. The real sin here is that it wasn't even a high effort custom antag, but a regular old heretic without any unique traits. Just varedit a bioscrambler reactive armor to rapid fire its effects and walk around as a REAL reality warping eldritch horror instead
oranges wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:56 pm
complaints like this and the headadmins unerring ability to make everything unfun becuase of a concern about a player possibly not having fun in a game that requires at least 25% of the playerbase to not have fun in any given round is exactly why there are so few people who want to be admins these days.
Do you think shard was in the right here? To the outside observer, it seems to border on outright cheating and calling it an "event".
Especially the TC trading part - there's a policy against consistently rolling the antag and asking to trade to a specific antag so seeing an admin grant themselves such a tc trade seems a little unfair to other players. I've also never been a fan of playminning but I feel like that's over shadowed by the spawning in of items and the self TC trade.
Edward Sloan, THE LAW
Melanie Flowers, Catgirl
Borgasm, Cyborg
Spoiler:
OOC: Hunterh98: to be fair sloan is one of the, if not the, most robust folks on tg
DEAD: Schlomo Gaskin says, "sloan may be a faggot but he gets the job done"
DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "YOU'RE EVERYWHERE WHERE BAD SHIT IS HAPPENING"
DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "IT'S ALWAYS FUCKING EDWARD SLOAN"
oranges wrote:Bee sting is honestly the nicest admin, I look forward to seeing him as a headmin one day
[2020-05-21 01:21:48.923] SAY: Crippo/(Impala Chainee) "Shaggy Voice - She like... wants to get Eiffel Towered bro!!" (Brig (125, 166, 2))
oranges wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:56 pm
complaints like this and the headadmins unerring ability to make everything unfun becuase of a concern about a player possibly not having fun in a game that requires at least 25% of the playerbase to not have fun in any given round is exactly why there are so few people who want to be admins these days.
stubborn kiwi categorically refuses to look at the mountain of evidence before him proving him to be factually incorrect. more at 11
oranges wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:56 pm
complaints like this and the headadmins unerring ability to make everything unfun becuase of a concern about a player possibly not having fun in a game that requires at least 25% of the playerbase to not have fun in any given round is exactly why there are so few people who want to be admins these days.
/tg/ has always prided itself on higher standard admins, we're not fulpstation
oranges wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:56 pm
complaints like this and the headadmins unerring ability to make everything unfun becuase of a concern about a player possibly not having fun in a game that requires at least 25% of the playerbase to not have fun in any given round is exactly why there are so few people who want to be admins these days.
Capsandi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 3:16 am
You see if we voted for goof 2 elections ago we would have ass day for admins to blow off steam and none of this would have happened.
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Yeah, I aim to have words with them, hopefully they'll come back after a break. It doesn't sound like the headmins are against the idea of them trying again. Lord knows it took me a few tries to get it right.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm
As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
Spoiler:
Reply PM from-REDACTED/(REDACTED): i tried to remove the bruises by changing her gender
PM: Bluespace->Delaron: Nobody wants a mime's asscheeks farting on their brig windows.
PM: REDACTED->HotelBravoLima: Oh come on, knowing that these are hostile aliens is metagaming
[17:43] <Aranclanos> any other question ping me again
[17:43] <Vekter> Aranclanos for nicest coder 2015
[17:44] <Aranclanos> fuck you
oranges wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:56 pm
complaints like this and the headadmins unerring ability to make everything unfun becuase of a concern about a player possibly not having fun in a game that requires at least 25% of the playerbase to not have fun in any given round is exactly why there are so few people who want to be admins these days.
Do you think shard was in the right here? To the outside observer, it seems to border on outright cheating and calling it an "event".
Especially the TC trading part - there's a policy against consistently rolling the antag and asking to trade to a specific antag so seeing an admin grant themselves such a tc trade seems a little unfair to other players. I've also never been a fan of playminning but I feel like that's over shadowed by the spawning in of items and the self TC trade.
no dude I don't care, most of the players will get steamrolled like this in a normal round anyway, there's no reason to sweat one admin doing something for one round
oranges wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:56 pm
complaints like this and the headadmins unerring ability to make everything unfun becuase of a concern about a player possibly not having fun in a game that requires at least 25% of the playerbase to not have fun in any given round is exactly why there are so few people who want to be admins these days.
Do you think shard was in the right here? To the outside observer, it seems to border on outright cheating and calling it an "event".
Especially the TC trading part - there's a policy against consistently rolling the antag and asking to trade to a specific antag so seeing an admin grant themselves such a tc trade seems a little unfair to other players. I've also never been a fan of playminning but I feel like that's over shadowed by the spawning in of items and the self TC trade.
no dude I don't care, most of the players will get steamrolled like this in a normal round anyway, there's no reason to sweat one admin doing something for one round
At the end of the day it comes down to making good stories, and bettering the round. You should be free to use the full extent of your powers to better a round. Self-trading into different antagonists and then murderboning a lowpop server doesn't help make for a good story, it doesn't help make the round better.
it doesn't make it any worse either, and punishing admins every time they hit a miss means they'll never be brave enough to try to swing for a home run.
basically you're strangling infants in a crib.
also the fact you claim it's a miss when there is documented evidence in the request of at least 1 person significantly enjoying the round
oranges wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:03 pm
it doesn't make it any worse either, and punishing admins every time they hit a miss means they'll never be brave enough to try to swing for a home run.
basically you're strangling infants in a crib.
also the fact you claim it's a miss when there is documented evidence in the request of at least 1 person significantly enjoying the round
Our beloved headcoder and dedicated maintainer of this game we all love -- I find such a perspective an agreeable one. Indeed, admins having to worry about being crucified in a public fashion over an event gone wrong would be a tragedy, not only because it would decrease their frequency, but because it makes this volunteer position unattractive for others to enroll in.
We'd ought to make sure that is not something that's happening here, as it very well could be. Let's examine the facts. Three of the four people whom ShockShard killed, expressed great displeasure in this outcome. This might be reason to consider it a miss, as you have suggested, but perhaps it is simply a case of players upset that they died. I believe this is certainly true. They are just upset that they died. However, dying to an antagonist spawned by the game is a form of disillusionment we can consider par for the course; whereas dying to an antagonist who incurred significant advantage due to the fact they had access to an admin panel, which was shown by Timber to have been used in a malicious manner, creates a disillusionment that we might find unnatural, unmerited, and undeserved.
oranges wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:56 pm
complaints like this and the headadmins unerring ability to make everything unfun becuase of a concern about a player possibly not having fun in a game that requires at least 25% of the playerbase to not have fun in any given round is exactly why there are so few people who want to be admins these days.
Do you think shard was in the right here? To the outside observer, it seems to border on outright cheating and calling it an "event".
Especially the TC trading part - there's a policy against consistently rolling the antag and asking to trade to a specific antag so seeing an admin grant themselves such a tc trade seems a little unfair to other players. I've also never been a fan of playminning but I feel like that's over shadowed by the spawning in of items and the self TC trade.
no dude I don't care, most of the players will get steamrolled like this in a normal round anyway, there's no reason to sweat one admin doing something for one round
I'd agree with that if the event wasn't an admin spawning himself in, self trading to a run of the mill normal antag, and then playing the antag while adminned, including spawning shit in. The same event could've been run by giving a living player heretic. Nothing wrong with a high casualty event, but this wasn't an event, it was using admin powers for personal benefit.
Edward Sloan, THE LAW
Melanie Flowers, Catgirl
Borgasm, Cyborg
Spoiler:
OOC: Hunterh98: to be fair sloan is one of the, if not the, most robust folks on tg
DEAD: Schlomo Gaskin says, "sloan may be a faggot but he gets the job done"
DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "YOU'RE EVERYWHERE WHERE BAD SHIT IS HAPPENING"
DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "IT'S ALWAYS FUCKING EDWARD SLOAN"
oranges wrote:Bee sting is honestly the nicest admin, I look forward to seeing him as a headmin one day
[2020-05-21 01:21:48.923] SAY: Crippo/(Impala Chainee) "Shaggy Voice - She like... wants to get Eiffel Towered bro!!" (Brig (125, 166, 2))
oranges wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:03 pm
it doesn't make it any worse either, and punishing admins every time they hit a miss means they'll never be brave enough to try to swing for a home run.
basically you're strangling infants in a crib.
also the fact you claim it's a miss when there is documented evidence in the request of at least 1 person significantly enjoying the round
Our beloved headcoder and dedicated maintainer of this game we all love -- I find such a perspective an agreeable one. Indeed, admins having to worry about being crucified in a public fashion over an event gone wrong would be a tragedy, not only because it would decrease their frequency, but because it makes this volunteer position unattractive for others to enroll in.
We'd ought to make sure that is not something that's happening here, as it very well could be. Let's examine the facts. Three of the four people whom ShockShard killed, expressed great displeasure in this outcome. This might be reason to consider it a miss, as you have suggested, but perhaps it is simply a case of players upset that they died. I believe this is certainly true. They are just upset that they died. However, dying to an antagonist spawned by the game is a form of disillusionment we can consider par for the course; whereas dying to an antagonist who incurred significant advantage due to the fact they had access to an admin panel, which was shown by Timber to have been used in a malicious manner, creates a disillusionment that we might find unnatural, unmerited, and undeserved.
Good grief, throw up the thesaurus you swallowed and speak plainly.
I did try to ask ChatGPT to simplify it but it couldnt do a good job so now I have to try.
It would be bad if admins have to worry about running events, and we want people to want to be admins.
People were upset when Shockshard did what he did.
People are more upset because he used his special admin powers.
oranges wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:03 pm
it doesn't make it any worse either, and punishing admins every time they hit a miss means they'll never be brave enough to try to swing for a home run.
basically you're strangling infants in a crib.
also the fact you claim it's a miss when there is documented evidence in the request of at least 1 person significantly enjoying the round
Our beloved headcoder and dedicated maintainer of this game we all love -- I find such a perspective an agreeable one. Indeed, admins having to worry about being crucified in a public fashion over an event gone wrong would be a tragedy, not only because it would decrease their frequency, but because it makes this volunteer position unattractive for others to enroll in.
We'd ought to make sure that is not something that's happening here, as it very well could be. Let's examine the facts. Three of the four people whom ShockShard killed, expressed great displeasure in this outcome. This might be reason to consider it a miss, as you have suggested, but perhaps it is simply a case of players upset that they died. I believe this is certainly true. They are just upset that they died. However, dying to an antagonist spawned by the game is a form of disillusionment we can consider par for the course; whereas dying to an antagonist who incurred significant advantage due to the fact they had access to an admin panel, which was shown by Timber to have been used in a malicious manner, creates a disillusionment that we might find unnatural, unmerited, and undeserved.
Good grief, throw up the thesaurus you swallowed and speak plainly.
I did try to ask ChatGPT to simplify it but it couldnt do a good job so now I have to try.
It would be bad if admins have to worry about running events, and we want people to want to be admins.
People were upset when Shockshard did what he did.
People are more upset because he used his special admin powers.
Here's a better summary for ya.
- The author suggests that it's possible that something is happening in the game that needs to be examined.
- Three of the four people who were killed by ShockShard expressed great displeasure in this outcome.
- The author believes that players are just upset that they died, but dying to an antagonist spawned by the game is a form of disillusionment we can consider par for the course.
- Dying to an antagonist who incurred significant advantage due to the fact they had access to an admin panel, which was shown by Timber to have been used in a malicious manner, creates a disillusionment that we might find unnatural, unmerited, and undeserved.
Armhulen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:41 pm
- The author suggests that it's possible that something is happening in the game that needs to be examined.
- Three of the four people who were killed by ShockShard expressed great displeasure in this outcome.
- The author believes that players are just upset that they died, but dying to an antagonist spawned by the game is a form of disillusionment we can consider par for the course.
- Dying to an antagonist who incurred significant advantage due to the fact they had access to an admin panel, which was shown by Timber to have been used in a malicious manner, creates a disillusionment that we might find unnatural, unmerited, and undeserved.
A better summary! Still vastly more brief than the original
(Sorry I've gotten the nesting fucked up, Ill try and fix it)
I wanted to do a better job at condensing this message, so here goes:
Our beloved headcoder and dedicated maintainer of this game we all love#
Oranges
-- I find such a perspective an agreeable one.
I agree with
Indeed, admins having to worry about being crucified in a public fashion over an event gone wrong would be a tragedy,
It'd be bad if admins could be punished for bad events
not only because it would decrease their frequency, but because it makes this volunteer position unattractive for others to enroll in.
because it would make them not want to do events, and make it less fun to be an admin.
We'd ought to make sure that is not something that's happening here, as it very well could be.
(this one is tricky to simplify, as its so meaningless. I think we can ignore it.)
Let's examine the facts. Three of the four people whom ShockShard killed, expressed great displeasure in this outcome.
3 of the 4 people ShockShard killed, were upset.
This might be reason to consider it a miss, as you have suggested, but perhaps it is simply a case of players upset that they died.
another meaningless sentence
I believe this is certainly true.
I think this is true
They are just upset that they died.
this is fine
However, dying to an antagonist spawned by the game is a form of disillusionment we can consider par for the course; whereas dying to an antagonist who incurred significant advantage due to the fact they had access to an admin panel, which was shown by Timber to have been used in a malicious manner, creates a disillusionment that we might find unnatural, unmerited, and undeserved.
(This is an absurdly long sentence!) some people die in this game. A player dying to a person who had access to an admin panel is a bad thing that happened
oranges wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:03 pm
it doesn't make it any worse either, and punishing admins every time they hit a miss means they'll never be brave enough to try to swing for a home run.
basically you're strangling infants in a crib.
also the fact you claim it's a miss when there is documented evidence in the request of at least 1 person significantly enjoying the round
Our beloved headcoder and dedicated maintainer of this game we all love -- I find such a perspective an agreeable one. Indeed, admins having to worry about being crucified in a public fashion over an event gone wrong would be a tragedy, not only because it would decrease their frequency, but because it makes this volunteer position unattractive for others to enroll in.
We'd ought to make sure that is not something that's happening here, as it very well could be. Let's examine the facts. Three of the four people whom ShockShard killed, expressed great displeasure in this outcome. This might be reason to consider it a miss, as you have suggested, but perhaps it is simply a case of players upset that they died. I believe this is certainly true. They are just upset that they died. However, dying to an antagonist spawned by the game is a form of disillusionment we can consider par for the course; whereas dying to an antagonist who incurred significant advantage due to the fact they had access to an admin panel, which was shown by Timber to have been used in a malicious manner, creates a disillusionment that we might find unnatural, unmerited, and undeserved.
Good grief, throw up the thesaurus you swallowed and speak plainly.
I did try to ask ChatGPT to simplify it but it couldnt do a good job so now I have to try.
It would be bad if admins have to worry about running events, and we want people to want to be admins.
People were upset when Shockshard did what he did.
People are more upset because he used his special admin powers.
My dear and beloved Admintrainer of Terry sector -- a place famed for its brutality particularly with respect to the administrative sphere, I apologize that my verbiage has made my post cumbersome to read. But it was not written for you, it was written for oranges. Stating such observations matter-of-fact and bluntly in this manner, would not make this party amenable at all to engaging with your post. So, although it may initially seem like fluff -- and perhaps some of it is -- I believe it has a rhetorical function that you are overlooking.
Speaking plainly is a valuable asset and you have shown yourself to be quite skilled at it in the very adept manner you've condensed my jargon. But as with anything, we have intentions behind our posts, and my intention was not to speak the facts into the air as they have already been regurgitated ad nauseam by countless other individuals.
I think this is the best outcome. Shock was displaying a worrying habit of prioritizing their own fun over that of the players. This stopped being an event when it was no longer about "hey there's a really old skeleton prisoner in the brig who has been forgotten by the records" and became "I self-traded into being my antag of choice and am now trying to ascend, while using my admin tools in my favour."
The fact that this would've not been the outcome if he'd admitted to everything upsets me greatly.
We'd instantly hardban a player if they cheated. But when an admin does it, it's okay, if they admit what they did?
Oh, my dear and most beloved Admintrainer of the Terry sector, that infamous bastion of the administrative world, whose reputation for unyielding and unrelenting brutality precedes it like a dread harbinger of fear and trepidation - I must express my deepest and most sincere apologies if the prolixity of my prior statement has proven cumbersome to your highly esteemed intellect. Pray forgive me for any inconvenience or vexation I may have inadvertently caused you. Nevertheless, it must be clearly stipulated that my verbal discourse was not aimed nor intended to pertain to your august personage, but rather, it was directed towards that noble and noblest of citrus fruits, the orange.
Please permit me to submit, with all due respect, that the candid and plain-spoken presentation of factual observations may not always be conducive to the fostering of cordial and harmonious relations between communicants. As such, my literary style, though it may seem to some to be overly verbose and redundant, is intended to serve a most vital and crucial rhetorical function. Indeed, it is my firm conviction that the use of lofty and ornate verbiage, while it may be perceived by some as superfluous and gratuitous, is in fact, an effective and efficacious means of capturing the attention and interest of one's intended readership.
While I most readily and wholeheartedly acknowledge that the art of plain-speaking and directness is a highly commendable and laudable virtue, and indeed, you have demonstrated a remarkable level of skill and proficiency in the same through your able and adept condensation of my previously verbose language, I must nevertheless respectfully contend that the intent behind the words is often just as significant as the words themselves. In the present instance, my intention was not to merely repeat the same mundane and hackneyed facts that have been regurgitated ad nauseum by countless others, but rather to present these selfsame facts in a unique and captivating manner that would arrest and engage the attention of our intended target audience - the orange.
Oh, my dear and most beloved Admintrainer of the Terry sector, that infamous bastion of the administrative world, whose reputation for unyielding and unrelenting brutality precedes it like a dread harbinger of fear and trepidation - I must express my deepest and most sincere apologies if the prolixity of my prior statement has proven cumbersome to your highly esteemed intellect. Pray forgive me for any inconvenience or vexation I may have inadvertently caused you. Nevertheless, it must be clearly stipulated that my verbal discourse was not aimed nor intended to pertain to your august personage, but rather, it was directed towards that noble and noblest of citrus fruits, the orange.
Please permit me to submit, with all due respect, that the candid and plain-spoken presentation of factual observations may not always be conducive to the fostering of cordial and harmonious relations between communicants. As such, my literary style, though it may seem to some to be overly verbose and redundant, is intended to serve a most vital and crucial rhetorical function. Indeed, it is my firm conviction that the use of lofty and ornate verbiage, while it may be perceived by some as superfluous and gratuitous, is in fact, an effective and efficacious means of capturing the attention and interest of one's intended readership.
While I most readily and wholeheartedly acknowledge that the art of plain-speaking and directness is a highly commendable and laudable virtue, and indeed, you have demonstrated a remarkable level of skill and proficiency in the same through your able and adept condensation of my previously verbose language, I must nevertheless respectfully contend that the intent behind the words is often just as significant as the words themselves. In the present instance, my intention was not to merely repeat the same mundane and hackneyed facts that have been regurgitated ad nauseum by countless others, but rather to present these selfsame facts in a unique and captivating manner that would arrest and engage the attention of our intended target audience - the orange.
OMG, you guys are like sooo funny, I’m like totally here for it. And like some people might be like super jelly and say it’s like a lame thread persona or whatever, but like I don’t care, the player’s club is like the best place to hang out and chillax with some like amazing posts and stuff, so like let’s just have fun with it, okay? Like for reals, I know when I need to be like serious AF.
oranges wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:03 pm
it doesn't make it any worse either, and punishing admins every time they hit a miss means they'll never be brave enough to try to swing for a home run.
basically you're strangling infants in a crib.
also the fact you claim it's a miss when there is documented evidence in the request of at least 1 person significantly enjoying the round
Our beloved headcoder and dedicated maintainer of this game we all love -- I find such a perspective an agreeable one. Indeed, admins having to worry about being crucified in a public fashion over an event gone wrong would be a tragedy, not only because it would decrease their frequency, but because it makes this volunteer position unattractive for others to enroll in.
We'd ought to make sure that is not something that's happening here, as it very well could be. Let's examine the facts. Three of the four people whom ShockShard killed, expressed great displeasure in this outcome. This might be reason to consider it a miss, as you have suggested, but perhaps it is simply a case of players upset that they died. I believe this is certainly true. They are just upset that they died. However, dying to an antagonist spawned by the game is a form of disillusionment we can consider par for the course; whereas dying to an antagonist who incurred significant advantage due to the fact they had access to an admin panel, which was shown by Timber to have been used in a malicious manner, creates a disillusionment that we might find unnatural, unmerited, and undeserved.
Good grief, throw up the thesaurus you swallowed and speak plainly.
I did try to ask ChatGPT to simplify it but it couldnt do a good job so now I have to try.
It would be bad if admins have to worry about running events, and we want people to want to be admins.
People were upset when Shockshard did what he did.
People are more upset because he used his special admin powers.
So far there are 0 Sinful posts I have fully read. It's just not possible.
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