Ah shit, here we go again - Out of the closet

[Googles_Hands]

Bottom post of the previous page:

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/79638

I dislike the Eris artstyle.
I do not want more microplastics in my sprites.

[iwishforducks]

i dislike that the conversation has degenerated to comparing someone that tries their damn hardest to be nice to someone who spends their time getting a rise out of people getting angry

viro is consistently and purposefully condescending 24/7. i dont think i particularly give any fucking shits about trying to weigh the scales against someone that was just trying to be nice

[Turbonerd]

Idk how but my brain does not see that sentence posted here as condescending at all to me.

Not sure what about it makes it condescending other than maybe if you dont agree with some of the points there? Implications that they dont make great sprites? ehh. Depends on who you are I guess. I have been taught by people in the art world that would make comments that sound mega condescending and it can still be very good advice. If they speak like that when criticising your work, then thats how they are. If you don't like that, then give them pointers on how to improve back, or just ignore them. Don't fight them for it. Fighting them over it is just going to get more of what you don't like. People do not change how they talk easily.

Some people really cannot take criticism. Which is a shame, really..

But even then, what could Moth have done to sound nicer? Just.. not post? Yeah, I dont know. criticism is criticism.

That was a cool response, and I see that you're passionate about the player's club. I think if you study some rethoric and learn proper formal logic you'd be able to produce much better, readable arguments for both yourself and the player's club.

Is it clearer now?

Moth's critique could also be perceived as to what specifically to learn to help with the related issues Viro had with their sprites.

[Constellado]

Idk how but my brain does not see that sentence posted here as condescending at all to me.

Not sure what about it makes it condescending other than maybe if you dont agree with some of the points there? Implications that they dont make great sprites? ehh. Depends on who you are I guess. I have been taught by people in the art world that would make comments that sound mega condescending and it can still be very good advice. If they speak like that when criticising your work, then thats how they are. If you don't like that, then give them pointers on how to improve back, or just ignore them. Don't fight them for it. Fighting them over it is just going to get more of what you don't like. People do not change how they talk easily.

Some people really cannot take criticism. Which is a shame, really..

But even then, what could Moth have done to sound nicer? Just.. not post? Yeah, I dont know. criticism is criticism.

That was a cool response, and I see that you're passionate about the player's club. I think if you study some rethoric and learn proper formal logic you'd be able to produce much better, readable arguments for both yourself and the player's club.

Is it clearer now?

It is!
Basically if you believe your work is already readable and has good logic, you think its false. It ends up sounding condescending.

However...
Say it was after a post detailing how to make formal logic, explaining how to make your posts more readable with things that explain how your writing could be made better... Suddenly that makes the last sentence now true. It changes from a condescending sentence to a nice one.

Its all in perspective.

[conrad]

Its all in perspective.

P much yeah

[Indie-ana Jones]

It's nice to see problems handle themselves.

[DaydreamIQ]

Maybe TG players are so used to everyone being toxic douchebags that someone coming along and being genuinely positive is too much for them to handle. Call it a hot take or whatever but I see nothing wrong with Moth's post, being condescending was clearly not the intention and anyone fuelling that fire needs their head checked.

[GPeckman]

Is this now a ban appeal nut too? Have we gone full circle?

[RedBaronFlyer]

Maybe TG players are so used to everyone being toxic douchebags that someone coming along and being genuinely positive is too much for them to handle. Call it a hot take or whatever but I see nothing wrong with Moth's post, being condescending was clearly not the intention and anyone fuelling that fire needs their head checked.

This is probably the part I find the most amusing. People have been super toxic to viro to the point of absurdity (which seems like an eye for an eye thing if you ask me), which viro seems to take pleasure in, but someone trying to be overly polite to the point of coming across as condescending makes them blow up. I can almost guarantee the thing that threw them over the line to exploding was the final line where Moff (intentionally or not) implied that they should practice color theory.

anyone up to date on their Viro lore knows that they went to art school (or something) and have been spriting FOR YEAAAAAARS, which they bring up every time someone who hasn't sprited more sprites, been spriting longer than them, been there longer than them, and isn't a spritetainer criticizes their sprites.

To Viro's credit, they have a consistent color scheme, their color scheme is just (mostly) ugly.

[Thranos]

My theory is that Viro blew up not because of "condensation" (or however he misspelled it), but because someone DARED to use his favorite excuse to ignore criticism AS CRITICISM against him-

Color Theory.

[DaydreamIQ]

This is probably the part I find the most amusing. People have been super toxic to viro to the point of absurdity (which seems like an eye for an eye thing if you ask me), which viro seems to take pleasure in, but someone trying to be overly polite to the point of coming across as condescending makes them blow up. I can almost guarantee the thing that threw them over the line to exploding was the final line where Moff (intentionally or not) implied that they should practice color theory.

anyone up to date on their Viro lore knows that they went to art school (or something) and have been spriting FOR YEAAAAAARS, which they bring up every time someone who hasn't sprited more sprites, been spriting longer than them, been there longer than them, and isn't a spritetainer criticizes their sprites.

To Viro's credit, they have a consistent color scheme, their color scheme is just (mostly) ugly.

Stolen meme I know but its somewhat appropriate

[RedBaronFlyer]

This is probably the part I find the most amusing. People have been super toxic to viro to the point of absurdity (which seems like an eye for an eye thing if you ask me), which viro seems to take pleasure in, but someone trying to be overly polite to the point of coming across as condescending makes them blow up. I can almost guarantee the thing that threw them over the line to exploding was the final line where Moff (intentionally or not) implied that they should practice color theory.

anyone up to date on their Viro lore knows that they went to art school (or something) and have been spriting FOR YEAAAAAARS, which they bring up every time someone who hasn't sprited more sprites, been spriting longer than them, been there longer than them, and isn't a spritetainer criticizes their sprites.

To Viro's credit, they have a consistent color scheme, their color scheme is just (mostly) ugly.

Stolen meme I know but its somewhat appropriate

Spoiler:

Oh hey, I made that. You can tell because it's fucking massive and I constantly forget to downside the template.

Spoiler:

[DaydreamIQ]

Wouldn't have it any other way

[Vekter]

It's joever

yeah, ok. gonna come back to this, I'd post this in /tg/discord but I am banned, and most likely will be banned here sooner then later: I am not gonna make a spiel about this, because it's boring, but a friend talked to me recently and has regarded me as being a massive fucking asshole, so. gonna work on some stuff.

player's club, since I know you are watching this: yes, I am an asshole, you can post your ripbozo memes now. to @MoffNyan: I apologise for how I spoke to you, and I apologise for misinterpreting what you said. I am sure this comment will be trolled and made fun of in the forums, but it is sincere.

so, i'mma take a break for like, two months, and i'mma come back later. shit's been goin' on, and I should prob' reassess how I act.

anyway >inb4 post hidden due to being marked as off-topic

Good to see them taking responsibility and understanding what they did wrong.

I still feel like our community needs to calm the fuck down about sprites in general - Viro dug their own grave, but a lot of that dirt was already moved by the heaps of harassment they got about the crate sprites.

[Thranos]

Good to see them taking responsibility and understanding what they did wrong.

Vekter they did the same tearful "youtuber who got cancelled" apology song and dance last time, and they absolutely didn't learn from it or grow as a person.
It's crocodile tears in bulk.

[Capsandi]

I agree with goof an I won't be at all surprised when that two months becomes forever when viro realizes there are much more fulfilling avenues with which to leverage a competence at spiriting than to contribute to a project infested with end users who hate project contributions.

[Cheshify]

Self awareness is a good first step, keep going.

[RedBaronFlyer]

mc-oofert's comment at the bottom was just poor form.

good riddance

[datorangebottle]

This was requested, so:

(i don't actually mean any of this i'm only posting it because he literally asked for it)

[CMDR_Gungnir]

i dislike that the conversation has degenerated to comparing someone that tries their damn hardest to be nice to someone who spends their time getting a rise out of people getting angry

viro is consistently and purposefully condescending 24/7. i dont think i particularly give any fucking shits about trying to weigh the scales against someone that was just trying to be nice

Yeah, like. Bless Vekter's heart for believing that Viro's just Going Through A Rough Patch (in his comment in the github) but no, this is just kinda who Viro is. They're not someone who struggles with anger issues but does their best. They're just a cunt. They're like this even when something hasn't been done to them to make them angry. They will just be a contrarian cunt to someone who happens to be talking in the same place as them.

[CPTANT]

I can't see what world:

Sorry this was a long read, but I honestly do feel like you have the ability to make great sprites! If you continue to study colour theory and the design principals of picking out "focal points" you should be able to improve and make sprites that can make both yourself and others happy!

Isn't insanely elitist and condescending.

Stop acting like its wholesome.

Yeah it's condescending, but he set himself up for it, which makes the entire thing pure Schadenfreude because Viro started the PR with pure flamebait and was being an ass to everyone (You might have missed this because of the edits). Trying to flamebait and being the one to completely blow up because of one sentence on a post with legit feedback will never not be funny, especially because the condescending part was apparently unintentional. Dude went as far as making a doxing threat.

[CPTANT]

I agree with goof an I won't be at all surprised when that two months becomes forever when viro realizes there are much more fulfilling avenues with which to leverage a competence at spiriting than to contribute to a project infested with end users who hate project contributions.

Ok then he can be toxic there.

What are you suggesting? That we let people be as toxic as they want as long as they make some contributions?

[Jacquerel]

I agree with goof an I won't be at all surprised when that two months becomes forever when viro realizes there are much more fulfilling avenues with which to leverage a competence at spiriting than to contribute to a project infested with end users who hate project contributions.

Unironically if he finds somewhere which actually appreciates his work more than we do and then people stop fighting him over it this is a good end for all parties involved.

[Bepis]

I really hope that MTandi's crate PR goes through, I cannot overstate how much nicer I think they look than the current ones

[CPTANT]

I really hope that MTandi's crate PR goes through, I cannot overstate how much nicer I think they look than the current ones

And the best part is in Discord I also see some of his previews for lockers and they look great!

[GPeckman]

Iunno why anyone here in the thread is convinced viro has special privileges like he isn't at the end of an extremely short rope with the team as is. He literally got told, in this PR, he is going to get his pr's closed if his attitude doesn't improve and he doesn't stop trying to invite aggression towards himself. He is actively making things worse for everyone by behaving like that.

Allow me to give you a recent example of the apparent bias in favor of Viro. To the best of my knowledge, Viro has not gotten so much as a single-day ban on Github, even after all they shit they pulled. But someone said "Good riddance" after Viro closed the PR and got permabanned from Github. Now, I'm not saying that the "good riddance" comment isn't banworthy, but I just can't see a world in which that is banworthy and yet nothing Viro did is worth a Github ban of any length. Does that make a little more sense?

[Googles_Hands]

And so this part of the Locker Saga comes to a close.

Our villain has been vanquished and our lockers saved.
But who know's what the future holds, will our villain crawl back from the abyss and gut our lockers and lands like he did our crates, cargonia and medkits?
Or will the heroes keep the darkness at bay, with crates and sprites anew?

No one knows, but tune in next time for the continuation:
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