MSO's foot is down. Not for Trials and TERBulations.

[Falamazeer]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Now look. I was on the free terbs train. I was the person who decided to ignore the blacklist and let him on the forums, I was all for and happy with the idea of unbanning him for april furst. But recent events can't be ignored.

As multiple people in the thread have noted, terb's habit of trying to encourage somebody to commit suicide happened as recently as a week ago.

Considering certain events from the past few months on that topic, I'm gonna put my foot down, sans a unanimous objection from headmin bus, This appeal is closed, and terbs will not be getting unblacklisted.

Let's not kickstart the terbs appeal again, it's locked, but he graciously left the poll thread open, continue discussion there.

This is a complaint about Mr.stonedones handling of the case, I have three major grievances which I will list:

One: Does he even have the right to do this? Apparently it's not spelled out.

Yeah i thought we specifically had a discussion on how MSO was not going to do any of this type of shit after SoS left.

It was never resolved in any concrete way other than some vague promises.

And yet he stepped in and took over despite Bluespace having volunteered first, he took it upon himself to 'host up' like SoS

Two: This fucks with singulo in ways that either make it useless for its intended purpose (Saying what you want without it getting used against you)
Or make it abuse able because it's impossible to say whether or not a user said something.


And Three, Requiring UNANIMOUS headmins to overturn it, This much like him handling it at all sets a precedent, it's much less likely to get all three headmins to agree on anything, ever.
a majority should be sufficient.

I'd also like to add a minor policy issue to the talking points on continuing to allow suicidal talk on any boards affiliated with /tg/ Not victim blaming, just saying, it's sad that people are sad, but we're not equipped to handle this.

[Falamazeer]

Jesus christ, It's not because you disagreed, it's because you took the opportunity to fuck up multiple pages of content so you could get at anon3 in a thread you barely gave a fuck about, and then continued it in one I very specifically tried to seperate from those threads to prevent the very same problem

I literately called it hours ago
"So... I guess the strategy of the day is to shit on the thread long enough to get it locked, then nobody has to seriously consider unbanning someone they never played with because they are spessman babbies."

[Saegrimr]

Well at least I can go to bed happy tonight knowing I saved Gotham City from the evil Puguin by valiantly shitposting in his threads, because its totally and 100% all my effort is why the appeal got turned down.

[AdenAbrafo]

Are you really annoyed Saegrimr posted in that thread and basically blew Anon the fuck out? Are you aware that Anon was just trying to get Terbs unbanned to see if he could do it? What content are you talking about? It was a couple pages of some middle aged guy who has lost it defending a shitty player and person while everyone else basically repeated themself.

[ThanatosRa]

I can't believe I still give a fuck about you people sometimes.

[Wyzack]

How about this then. Everyone please stop posting about Terbs, Anon3, or Seag. Just stop. All we need is for MSO to come in here and post what he believes the extent of his power is as host, and other people who want to discuss it. If a forum admin with some sense like PAS or Jeb could start deleting all unrelated posts or moving them to another thread that would be great. Come the fuck on people, we do not need a shitstorm of drama every few months

[Vekter]

MSO can technically do anything he wants as long as it's in the best interest of the community. I've been here for 4 years off and on, if I trust anyone to use that power well, it's him.

[Wyzack]

Don't get me wrong, I think MSO is doing a good job a host. I just thought that it was decided that since the host no longer pays the bills they would no longer have this kind of power. I am curious why he has yet to say anything on the issue, I feel like it is pretty important

[Timbrewolf]

Are you really annoyed Saegrimr posted in that thread and basically blew Anon the fuck out?

Don't think you read the same thread as everyone else.

Are you aware that Anon was just trying to get Terbs unbanned to see if he could do it?

Wrong again.

The only thing people are aware of when it comes to your posts is how inconsoleably butt-frustrated you are when you follow me around to different threads just to shitpost "UGH ITS ANONE I HATE THAT GUY UGH".

Keep those crybaby bitch tears flowing though I need to drink something that isn't liqour from time to time.

[Steelpoint]

If you want to be taken seriously don't start flinging low insults and 'crybaby tears' comments at one another.

Stooping that low simply undermines your position and makes this whole debate look pathetic for all sides involved.

[Timbrewolf]

Gayden isn't here to debate.

[bandit]

This thread is pointless. Either MSO explains himself, or he doesn't, or all three headmins agree to veto. Everything else is just circle jerking.

[Timbrewolf]

This thread is pointless. Either MSO explains himself, or he doesn't, or all three headmins agree to veto. Everything else is just circle jerking.

EDIT: Okay beyond empty-quoting but

Does anyone do roundtables anymore? Weren't those a good idea? I thought people liked the chance to actually talk to us about stuff. Maybe it's time for the RoundTerbsel?

[TheNightingale]

In all seriousness... An0n3, I was under the impression you'd left the community forever? Is this no longer the case?

[AdenAbrafo]

lol anon can you post that video you shared on singulo that was you going on about how you were finally able to leave or something that one was great

also posting in like 3 threads =/= following you around but whatever makes you feel better i guess

edit: for the fuck of it im going to ask why you appealed for terbs since you bothered to refute that

[Void Slayer]

My understanding of what happened was that Anon posted an appeal for someone,
the original banning/blacklisting admin is no longer here,
thus it gets passed over to the headmins,
none showed up,
the thread descended into petty bullshit,
MSO locks the thread and turns the decision over to the headmins.

Does anyone really think that he would keep the thread locked or act against one of the headmins deciding to step in?

That thread was FULL of hyperbole, the unanimous thing sounded like more of the same.

[Timbrewolf]

It's off topic but I said I quit playing/hosting/administrating/etc.

I specifically said I still had friends in the community and would continue to chat with them, play games with them, etc. I'm running a game of Traveller for some folks on these forums right now. Somehow I'm still managing to contribute more to the community than some of you.

I made an appeal for Terbs because I think he should unbanned. Why the fuck else would I do that?

Here's a question for you: Literally who are you? The only reason I've acknowleged that you exist is because all you seem to do here is follow me from thread to thread to shitpost. I don't know why you have such a grudge against me or why you think anyone would care that you do.

[Vekter]

Alright, look. Either this thread stays on topic about why MSO has veto power on ban appeals or it gets shitcanned. If you chucklefucks can't separate this from FREE TERBS then we won't have the discussion at all.

[Timbrewolf]

You're a board moderator. Just delete all the crap please. Not like I haven't tried reporting some of this crap.

[Tsaricide]

Alright, look. Either this thread stays on topic about why MSO has veto power on ban appeals or it gets shitcanned. If you chucklefucks can't separate this from FREE TERBS then we won't have the discussion at all.

Is there really anything more to be said without MSO responding to this thread or any other head admin response?

[Vekter]

Alright, look. Either this thread stays on topic about why MSO has veto power on ban appeals or it gets shitcanned. If you chucklefucks can't separate this from FREE TERBS then we won't have the discussion at all.

Is there really anything more to be said without MSO responding to this thread or any other head admin response?

Not really, truth be told. Just a log of speculation.

I'll point MSO here later tonight when he's actually active.

[Falamazeer]

I tried so hard to not engage, and even tried to get people to stop, I have no faith this is going anywhere.

Final notes before I wash my hands of it, I really hope I don't get labeled as a shit stirrer, and anyone who reads it acknowledges my best effort to keep things on point, despite my worser nature to arugue until the subject is deflated and dead.

Why can't we have nice things?

[Vekter]

I tried so hard to not engage, and even tried to get people to stop, I have no faith this is going anywhere.

Final notes before I wash my hands of it, I really hope I don't get labeled as a shit stirrer, and anyone who reads it acknowledges my best effort to keep things on point, despite my worser nature to arugue until the subject is deflated and dead.

Why can't we have nice things?

Because the playerbase has this ridiculous and (mostly) unwarranted idea that the adminbus is only here to ruin their fun and fuck everything up.

[oranges]

MSO locks the thread and turns the decision over to the headmins.

Does anyone really think that he would keep the thread locked or act against one of the headmins deciding to step in?

I'm gonna put my foot down, sans a unanimous objection from headmin bus, This appeal is closed, and terbs will not be getting unblacklisted.

This doesn't look like turning the decision over to the heads, it looks like making a decision for them, something I'm vehemently opposed to.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

This thread has "NOT FOR TERBS" in the damn title, just delete every post which talks about terb's ban, terbs as a player, or terb's ban appeal.

[Stickymayhem]

This whole thread is a fucking disaster I'm locking it.

MSO has been nothing but great this entire time, lets us make every decision and even when he "put his foot down" he said we could overrule him. He has yet to make a bad call.

[MrStonedOne]

Ok, so I only just now noticed this thread existed.

A little bit you all don't know, on monday, the day after this all blew up, I was rushed to the ER over an infection on one of my tooths that spread overnight saturday night to my sinuses, and spread overnight sunday night to my tear ducts, meaning it was starting to affect my vision.

I've been on prescription painkillers and copious amounts of marijuana as well as corticosteroids and super strong antibiotics and just haven't had much of the time or energy or clarity of mind to do much other than check in and skim around.

anyways, this is gonna sound rambly because I'm super high on high CDB weed and a hydrocodone, and i'm gonna build this by copy pasting what i've already said on singulo and build on that. but lets plow thru this:

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Technically speaking, I have the power sos once had by virtue of being the only person with remote access to the vm host machine the server's vms run off of.

Basically speaking, I've volunteered over most power to the headmins.

For instance, my vote, the host vote, will be going to the headmins next election where they can either give it to coderbus, give it to the player base or admins as a second vote, or unanimously pick a non-current headmin. Failing any agreement on those options, I'll just pick somebody

When people ask me to change some probability of game modes or change a config setting, i tell them to ask the headmins, (who all have remote and the power to handle doing that themselves)

I mainly handle sysadmin stuff (like disabling blob when it crashes the server twice in a row), and stepping to help the headmins come to an agreement on something.

Moving on:

I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding of what the blacklist is.

The blacklist was, in at least sos's days, the host's do not unban if you don't want to get deadmined for unbanning, list.

Its the host's super banned person list.

Control over that was just assumed by everybody, headmins included to go to me. When kavaloosh asked to appeal his blacklist, sticky, and hg both told him to talk to me.

They even messaged me when he made his appeal here on the forums.

(this was after I had explicitly stated to the headmins they had full control)

So ya, control over the blacklist was handed to me. It's always been the "do not unban without host approval if you don't want to get deadmined" list, so that makes sense.

(And might have even unblacklisted kava if he had made an appeal where he actually avoided doing the thing he got blacklisted for. No, I'm not gonna blacklist somebody purely for being transphobic. But come on, if you appeal a ban for something, you don't do that thing you got banned for in the ban appeal, I couldn't approve that… thats just on principle.
He still would have had that chance if he hadn't blatantly admitted to never changing, and only hiding his rule breaking, metacomming, and making up lies to get away with in game shitty behavior.)

Anywho,

Those are my thoughts on the matter.