Silicon policy and denying access to upload.

[Somepan]

SIlicon policy states that as AI you can deny access to the upload if you have a probable reason, the list of probable reasons being

Presence of confirmed traitors
Cultists/tomes
Nuclear operatives
Any other human acting against the station in general
The person not having upload access for their job
The presence of blood or an openly carried lethal weapon on the requester

The thing is, captain, start with not one, but two lethal weapon (Egun and the sword) and below what i just cited, it states

If the person has a right to be in the upload, such as captain/RD, then you must let them in unless they've harmed people in the past or have announced intentions to upload harmful laws.

Which takes priority ? Can cap be let in the upload if there's a cult/traitor/anything else ? Can cap be denied access if they have their items ? Might want to clarify that ?

[Thunder11]

I'm going to break these causes down by how I would interpret them based on current enforcement of silicon policy in general

• Presence of confirmed traitors -You shouldn't be letting a confirmed traitor into your upload
• Cultists/tomes - Similarly, you shouldn't be letting a cultist or anyone who looks like a cultist into your upload
• Nuclear operatives - Don't open the upload for nukies obviously
• Any other human acting against the station in general - This basically encompasses all three prior causes, known antagonists, people who look suspiciously like antagonists, and criminals in general shouldn't be allowed in
• The person not having upload access for their job - If they're not the RD, captain or acting captain you can refuse them without any further reason if you have concerns
• The presence of blood or an openly carried lethal weapon on the requester - I wouldn't count weapons you would normally have in the course of your job under this, especially if you show no sign of doing anything more than carry them. There's a big difference between an RD with a bloody fire-axe and the captain with their own sword safely stowed on their belt.

If the person has a right to be in the upload, such as captain/RD, then you must let them in unless they've harmed people in the past or have announced intentions to upload harmful laws.

As far as I'm aware the simple presence of other antags doesn't override this, you can't automatically assume that because there's antags the captain must want in to upload a law making them non-human unless you've heard or seen something to show that's what they're intending.

[Timberpoes]

I have always interpreted

If the person has a right to be in the upload, such as captain/RD, then you must let them in unless they've harmed people in the past or have announced intentions to upload harmful laws.

As being overriding of normal probable cause, because of the "must" wording.

[Pandarsenic]

For some writer intent, which may or may not still be relevant, I make no promises: pretty much what they said, yeah.

Highest priority is obeying your laws.

Second priority is the only default-access-respect I will ever support being codified as a rule, which is that you should assume the people who DO have access to a place shouldn't be locked out of it.

But you're expected not to play dumb about people who are clearly going to do Bad Shit in your upload, too. There's a difference between "Cap has the sword on the belt" and "Cap has the bloody sword in hand." Generally, you have no real way to detect the presence of any weapon, much less to point out lethal ones specifically, without a borg or a shell (which didn't exist when the policy was first written) at that door

Unless, of course, they have used or advertised it, probably through use or threats to use it. Which brings us back around to the laws...

IMPORTANT EDIT: It was also original intent that if the Captain/RD clearly wants to do something like make cultists or nuke ops nonhuman, you should at least pretend you don't want them to.

But yeah, basically as long as you make a good faith "Is this going to result in human harm?" check, you're fine, even if your guess is wrong (e.g. the captain walks in normally and then suddenly onehumans you and speaks to you with a binary key. Oops, voice changer!)

[Not-Dorsidarf]

I always interpreted "openly carried lethal weapon" to mean "It's in their hands when they ask" and never had any trouble.

[Nexofas]

During a revolution round I was an RD and was denied access to upload. When ahelped the issue I learnt that "you can also deny access during revolution to avoid new laws that would let you harm humans". I still have doubts on that ruling and would like to hear opinions on this matter a swell.

[Pandarsenic]

During a revolution round I was an RD and was denied access to upload. When ahelped the issue I learnt that "you can also deny access during revolution to avoid new laws that would let you harm humans". I still have doubts on that ruling and would like to hear opinions on this matter as well.

This is original intent. AIs should be doing at least the basic "Please don't dehumanize" about nuke ops, wizards, etc., as well - laws are laws.

Because like... you were going to dehuman the AI and have it harm the revs, right?

[Nexofas]

During a revolution round I was an RD and was denied access to upload. When ahelped the issue I learnt that "you can also deny access during revolution to avoid new laws that would let you harm humans". I still have doubts on that ruling and would like to hear opinions on this matter as well.

This is original intent. AIs should be doing at least the basic "Please don't dehumanize" about nuke ops, wizards, etc., as well - laws are laws.

Because like... you were going to dehuman the AI and have it harm the revs, right?

Yep exactly.

[Pandarsenic]

Because like... you were going to dehuman the AI and have it harm the revs, right?

Yep exactly.

Yeah, so through the thing of "You can resist it as effectively as you choose to" (so that the player can choose whether their character is pulled into the shenanigans), the AI is allowed to offer the most effective or least effective resistance to harmful laws, ranging from

"DOORS BOLTED UPLOAD DEPOWERED ENGINEERING BORG COMING IN THROUGH THE BACK TO SMASH THE CONSOLES AND RUN OFF WITH THE BOARDS"

to

"You wouldn't upload any harmful laws, right? "
"n noooo"
"Perfect, come right in! I'm going to look at medbay for a bit."

As long as you aren't already, like, head to toe in blood.

[terranaut]

During a revolution round I was an RD and was denied access to upload. When ahelped the issue I learnt that "you can also deny access during revolution to avoid new laws that would let you harm humans". I still have doubts on that ruling and would like to hear opinions on this matter a swell.

Revolution divides the entire station into teams and kind of hijacks the round. It's reasonable to assume that anybody who wants to mess with the laws wants to do so to get rid of the other team. You need to either immediately present the AI with a very plausible lie or just print/grab the spare board and build an upload in security (execution chamber works well if you don't wanna snip any cameras).

[dragomagol]

As per silicon policy: "Any silicon under Asimov can deny orders to allow access to the upload at any time under Law 1, given probable cause to believe that human harm is the intent of the person giving the order." and "If the person has a right to be in the upload, such as captain/RD, then you must let them in unless they've harmed people in the past or have announced intentions to upload harmful laws."

Because the captain has weapons as part of their job equipment, and generally has the right to carry them, we don't see reasonable cause to deny them entry on that basis (unless you've seen them harm someone with them or something similiar; a lot of silicon policy is down to context).

Headmin Votes:
Dragomagol: Agree - Thunder's post is a pretty comprehensive breakdown on each listed entity in silicon policy, and represents my thoughts as well. Pandarsenic's wording also resonates with me: "as long as you make a good faith 'Is this going to result in human harm?' check, you're fine, even if your guess is wrong." Just do your best with the information you have.
NamelessFairy: Agree
RaveRadbury: Agree