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Bring back Old Rule 3

Post by Not-Dorsidarf » #141577

I recently looked at the Rules page and noticed that the best rule we had, Rule 3, had been replaced.

Discuss: Should we add it back in as a new rule

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Re: Bring back Old Rule 3

Post by LiamLime » #141616

If you can add it to an existing rule, while making the text of both the bolded part, and the total rule length shorter than it is currently, then yes, otherwise no. I don't know if you've noticed, but the rules page is more akin to a short novel now. Adding even more text will not solve anything.
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Re: Bring back Old Rule 3

Post by CPTANT » #141638

Yeah, there seems to be some common conception that dying is equal to "having your round ruined".

Dying in ridiculous ways if fucking epic. Yesterday I got disposal piped into the singularity and I couldn't stop laughing.

People should really stop being so mad about dying. Usually I Wish there were MORE extreme life threatening situations facing my character.
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Re: Bring back Old Rule 3

Post by TheNightingale » #141652

Dying ignominiously or FNR might ruin your round. Dying in a funny or badass way will make your round better.
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Re: Bring back Old Rule 3

Post by Zilenan91 » #141703

CPTANT wrote:Yeah, there seems to be some common conception that dying is equal to "having your round ruined".

Dying in ridiculous ways if fucking epic. Yesterday I got disposal piped into the singularity and I couldn't stop laughing.

People should really stop being so mad about dying. Usually I Wish there were MORE extreme life threatening situations facing my character.
Yeah it's ways like that, that happen completely by accident that are hilarious and usually don't ruin your round. When people are talking about their round being ruined they typically mean someone fucks them over. An example I went through once was where a shitter sec officer gulagged, full stripped me, and set me to wanted on the gulag so I could never move for no reason other than being a lizard, to the point that an admin had to physically respawn me because he couldn't get me out of the gulag in any other way. That's what round ruining is like.
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Re: Bring back Old Rule 3

Post by Ricotez » #141802

It's not a rule. It's this game's motto. It doesn't belong in the rule list, it belongs in huge fucking letters over it, maybe with a massive TL;DR in front of it.
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Re: Bring back Old Rule 3

Post by peoplearestrange » #141829

I don't think it needs to be a rule, but there definitely needs to be a "Tips for enjoying/understanding the game" TLDR at the start of the rules or something.

Maybe written by someone whos good at copy and can keep it short and sweet.
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Re: Bring back Old Rule 3

Post by Ricotez » #141849

peoplearestrange wrote:keep it short and sweet.
shit happens
MimicFaux wrote:I remember my first time, full of wonderment and excitement playing this game I had heard so many stories about.
on the arrival shuttle, I saw the iconic toolbox on the ground. I clubbed myself in the head with it trying to figure out the controls.
Setting the tool box, now bloodied, back on the table; I went to heal myself with a medkit. I clubbed myself in the head with that too.
I've come a long ways from asking how to switch hands.
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Saegrimr wrote:One guy was running around popping hand tele portals down in the halls before OPs even showed up and got several stranded out on lavaland.
The HoP just toolboxes someone to death out of nowhere, then gets speared by a chemist who saw him murder a guy, then the chemist gets beaten to death because someone else saw him kill the HoP.
Tele-man somehow dies and gets its looted by an atmos tech who managed to use it to send two nuke ops to lavaland, who were then surrounded by several very angry people from earlier and some extra golems on top of it.
Captain dies, gets cloned/revived, lasers the guy holding the disk into crit to take it back.
Some idiot tries to welderbomb the AI hiding out at mining for no discernible reason.
Two permabans and a dayban, i'm expecting a snarky appeal from one of them soon. What the fuck.
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Re: Bring back Old Rule 3

Post by oranges » #141919

replace the rules page with
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Re: Bring back Old Rule 3

Post by Hibbles » #143873

I'll just have it in copy+paste any time I'm replying to an adminhelp.

Or maybe we can get a button for it? 'Reject adminhelp' literally cannot ever have any use because it gives the freaking verb back to the person, who will, via human nature, inevitably, just keep pinging you with it. Again, and again. With nothing to deter or stop them from doing that. When the idea was to reject, not encourage.

Replacing it with a helpful and friendly popup that says "You are not in control of the situation at all times when playing SS13. Sometimes you just lose." would at least be more useful.
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Post by TechnoAlchemist » #143951

Actually making it a rule would make it more viable than a "tip" to get people to stop whining
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Post by Ricotez » #144059

Hibbles wrote:I'll just have it in copy+paste any time I'm replying to an adminhelp.

Or maybe we can get a button for it? 'Reject adminhelp' literally cannot ever have any use because it gives the freaking verb back to the person, who will, via human nature, inevitably, just keep pinging you with it. Again, and again. With nothing to deter or stop them from doing that. When the idea was to reject, not encourage.

Replacing it with a helpful and friendly popup that says "You are not in control of the situation at all times when playing SS13. Sometimes you just lose." would at least be more useful.
you have mute buttons for everything including admin PMs, use that if they keep pinging
MimicFaux wrote:I remember my first time, full of wonderment and excitement playing this game I had heard so many stories about.
on the arrival shuttle, I saw the iconic toolbox on the ground. I clubbed myself in the head with it trying to figure out the controls.
Setting the tool box, now bloodied, back on the table; I went to heal myself with a medkit. I clubbed myself in the head with that too.
I've come a long ways from asking how to switch hands.
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peoplearestrange wrote:Scared of shadows whispers in their final breath, "/tg/station... goes on the tabl..."
DemonFiren wrote:Please, an Engineer's first response to a problem is "throw it into the singulo".
tedward1337 wrote:Donald Trump is literally what /pol/ would look like as a person
CrunchyCHEEZIT wrote:why does everything on this server have to be a federal fucking issue.
Saegrimr wrote:One guy was running around popping hand tele portals down in the halls before OPs even showed up and got several stranded out on lavaland.
The HoP just toolboxes someone to death out of nowhere, then gets speared by a chemist who saw him murder a guy, then the chemist gets beaten to death because someone else saw him kill the HoP.
Tele-man somehow dies and gets its looted by an atmos tech who managed to use it to send two nuke ops to lavaland, who were then surrounded by several very angry people from earlier and some extra golems on top of it.
Captain dies, gets cloned/revived, lasers the guy holding the disk into crit to take it back.
Some idiot tries to welderbomb the AI hiding out at mining for no discernible reason.
Two permabans and a dayban, i'm expecting a snarky appeal from one of them soon. What the fuck.
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Re: Bring back Old Rule 3

Post by oranges » #144178

what if, after rejecting an admin help the next one they made could be permanently rejected with that popup?
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Post by callanrockslol » #144900

oranges wrote:what if, after rejecting an admin help the next one they made could be permanently rejected with that popup?
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That's a terrible idea, what if they have to adminhelp something important later in the round? A cooldown longer than the regular one would work better.
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Re: Bring back Old Rule 3

Post by oranges » #145190

then they should not have been retarded earlier in the round.
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Post by Hornygranny » #145210

The new Rule 10 has been added to reflect this sentiment.
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Re: Bring back Old Rule 3

Post by LiamLime » #145222

Adding more rules is an absolutely retarded course of action.
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Re: Bring back Old Rule 3

Post by Saegrimr » #145225

LiamLime wrote:If you can add it to an existing rule, while making the text of both the bolded part, and the total rule length shorter than it is currently, then yes, otherwise no. I don't know if you've noticed, but the rules page is more akin to a short novel now. Adding even more text will not solve anything.
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Re: Bring back Old Rule 3

Post by iamgoofball » #145240

Saegrimr wrote:
LiamLime wrote:If you can add it to an existing rule, while making the text of both the bolded part, and the total rule length shorter than it is currently, then yes, otherwise no. I don't know if you've noticed, but the rules page is more akin to a short novel now. Adding even more text will not solve anything.
LiamLime wrote:Adding more rules is an absolutely retarded course of action.
Are you a little bit damaged?
are YOU a bit damaged?

that clearly states that he wants it merged in with an existing rule instead of adding it as its own rule
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Post by tedward1337 » #145264

Seeing as the rule has been changed, I'm going to lock this. Please PM me if this was in error.
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