Because some people want to spawn with a infinite charge stun baton and the best gun in the game.
I still disagree with the stupid inconsistency of the Detective having antag status on yet he still has a loyalty implant, but all indication he should be just as immune to being a antag as a security officer, but he's a exception and no one wants to remove his loyalty/mindshield implant.
I do not think i have even once seen a detective use antag to play the loose cannon, other than being a literal guy loose with a cannon when they buy a real revolver to substitute the detective one
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--Create a title for each department officer "Science Security Officer" That way when they speak over sec channel you know who is who.
--Remove Warden.
--HOS remains, his job is to coordinate sec like now. Keep track of sec issues in the departments. Coordinate reinforcements over radio if a department needs help. "Hey Science officer, go check out medbay and make sure Medical officer is ok"
--Make the Brig smaller. Move most of the gear lockers to department offices. HOS is in charge of the armory. Put a cell in each department office. Reduce the brig to maybe 2 cells and Perma.
--Prisoners would be detained by the department guards in their own offices. Overflow could go to the brig.
--Each department gets up to 2 guards. That's 8 officers, more than we'll ever have, cap the job at that.
--Keep Detective. By divvying up sec officers to dedicated departments the detective would be less of a substitute office and would be more like he's intended. He would work directly under the HOS to investigate anything. Give the Detective low level access to each department, like what department sec has now.
Some issues I see:
With departmental security there is little need for a warden since in theory there won't often be prisoners in the brig. But the HOS would often be busy and not able to deal with it. Warden would be boring though if there are rarely prisoners. With no warden and officers rarely coming to the brig the armory is much more exposed.
Possible Solution: Move the armory to near the bridge. HOS can open it up when necessary.
Fuck off Paprika. Fuck off with the notion that the armory doesn't need to be guarded. The warden serves an important role, removing it would just have someone else do it.
>HoS is the new warden, armchair general
Fuck off Paprika. Fuck off with your "m-muh delegating duty", the HoS is supposed to be Judge Dredd, running around being badass and heroic and doing what he wants because HE IS THE LAAWWWWW and shooting all the right people until he dies or the round ends.
>Breaking up the brig
Not sure about this one. It sounds like a shit idea, but it might work. Good fucking luck finding room to put the cells on any map that wasn't built with this idea in mind though.
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Steelpoint wrote:Departmental Security was implemented as a attempt to justify taking away general departmental access to Officers, the idea that one officer would man the outpost in each department and patrol it.
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[*]It made individual Officers weaker due to lack of basic departmental access, thus making it much harder to do their job. How do you respond to help from RnD quickly when you only have basic Cargo access? (this is still a problem)
>Steelpoint making shit up to try and justify more buffs
I helped create department security. My intention was to give security more access into these departments with the idea of Basic Access.
In fact, it was department security that introduced the idea of basic department access in the first place (I was the one who reorganised access). Before Dept sec, basic "hallway" access was not even a thing, and all security officers had access to was the brig and nothing else.
Det antag could've worked if people weren't so unwilling to work on it. I suggested for a while to remove the detective's loyalty implant and sec headset so he would be more separated from security.
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Zilenan91 wrote:
Just replace both their arms with chainsaws.
Steelpoint wrote:Departmental Security was implemented as a attempt to justify taking away general departmental access to Officers, the idea that one officer would man the outpost in each department and patrol it.
...
[*]It made individual Officers weaker due to lack of basic departmental access, thus making it much harder to do their job. How do you respond to help from RnD quickly when you only have basic Cargo access? (this is still a problem)
>Steelpoint making shit up to try and justify more buffs
I helped create department security. My intention was to give security more access into these departments with the idea of Basic Access.
In fact, it was department security that introduced the idea of basic department access in the first place (I was the one who reorganised access). Before Dept sec, basic "hallway" access was not even a thing, and all security officers had access to was the brig and nothing else.
I think I was mixing up my general Officer complaints at the time where while I liked the added access but I disliked how the access was randomly alloted based on when you joined the round and which department you were assigned to.
I guess I did mess up my history on that note though. I was just not a fan of Departmental Security at the time due to it serving to fracture Security.
"Clowns are different you can't trust those shifty fucks you never know what they're doing or if they're willing to eat a dayban for some cheap yuks."
-Not-Dorsidarf
"The amount of people is the amount of times the sound is played... on top of itself. And with sybil populations on the shuttle..."
-Remie Richards
"I just spent all fucking day playing fallen london and sunless sea and obsessing over how creepy the fucking dawn machine is and only just clocked now that your avatar is the fucking dawn machine. Nobody vote for this disgusting new sequence blasphemer he wants to kill the gods"
-Stickymayhem
"Drank a cocktail of orange Gatorade and mint mouthwash on accident. Pretty sure I'm going to die, I am on the verge of vomit. It was nice knowing you guys"
-PKPenguin321
"You're too late, you will have to fetch them from the top of my tower, built by zombies, slaves, zombie slaves and garitho's will to live!"
-Armhulen
"This is like being cooked alive in a microwave oven which utilises the autistic end of the light spectrum to cook you."
-DarkFNC
"Penguins are the second race to realise 2D>3D"
-Anonmare
"Paul Blart mall cops if they all had ambitions of joining the Waffen-SS"
-Anonmare
"These logs could kill a dragon much less a man"
-Armhulenn
">7 8 6
WHAT MADNESS IS THIS? POETIC ANARCHY!"
-Wyzack
"We didn't kick one goofball out only to have another one come in like a fucking revolving door"
-Kraseo
"There's a difference between fucking faggots and being a fucking faggot."
-Anonmare
"You guys splitting the 20 bucks cost to hire your ex again?"
-lntigracy
"Wew. Congrats. It's been actual years since anyone tried to make fun of me for being divorced. You caught me, I'm tilted. Here is your trophy."
-Timbrewolf
"I prefer my coffees to run dry too *snorts a line of maxwell house*"
-Super Aggro Crag
"You don't have an evil bone in your body, unless togopal comes for a sleepover"
-Bluespace
">Paying over a $1000 for a lump of silicon and plastic
Lol"
-Anonmare
"Then why did you get that boob job?"
-DrPillzRedux
"You take that back you colonial mongrel"
-Docprofsmith
"I don't care whether or not someone with an IQ 3 standard deviations below my own thinks they enjoy Wizard rounds."
-Malkraz
Remove brig as is.
-No timered cells, they're pointless and are not really a deterrent.
-Large open prison area that you shove shitlers into.
-Volunteers can opt for gulag to not be bored, attempt escape, or actually show they aren't shit and earn a way out
-Move prison to lavaland perhaps entirely, with station-side things only being brig offices/armory/transfer for Hell prison below
-Problem with brig is all the access; you lose one officer and he opens the gates of shit to flood into the brig. In prison, the guards are locked into the wings when investigating by control office (warden or another officer in our case). This should go for general brig entrance period, too. An officer dying out on the beat or in jail is one thing, their weapons get taken and used against the other guards; their access makes it all the worse once stolen.
This is probably awful, but I've always hated tg brig as its stood, and find the concept of perma, plus brig and gulag, to be so nonsensical and a waste of space even now. In order to properly compartmentalize things, some areas have to be merged or nixed to keep the area reasonably sized. Perma as it stands is useless imo, same really for gulag, as they are. Neither are used enough at all along with the badly B&E'd brig serving as a revolving door for what little does go through them.