Remove or Rework revenant

[confused rock]

It adds nothing

[DemonFiren]

You add nothing, revenant is pretty cool.

Except when all the station's lights are busted and everyone's too paranoid to let you save up for Blight.

[NikNakFlak]

I like them and think your opinion is bad

[Saegrimr]

I'd like to see more powers added to it if anything.

[Zilenan91]

Revenants could be improved a lot and have better powers.

[Lumbermancer]

They serve no other purpose than to cause grief. Like Morphs, but unlike them they appear in every round. They are Clowns with superpowers and valids.

Remove.

[Super Aggro Crag]

They serve no other purpose than to cause grief. Like Morphs, but unlike them they appear in every round. They are Clowns with superpowers and valids.

Remove.

maybe if you don't want revenants to appear every round you should dispose of bodies properly instead of leaving them to fester

oh wait every chef gets murdered by pete 2 seconds into the round and people only play chaplain for the sword, nm

[TechnoAlchemist]

Remove grief ghost

[Incomptinence]

I want more grief ghost in my life so I can actually see it once in a blue moon.

[ShadowDimentio]

Every time a revenant appears there's one guy who gets absurdly buttblasted over it

You are that one guy

[Lumbermancer]

I thought I was that guy.

[J_Madison]

They serve no other purpose than to cause grief. Like Morphs, but unlike them they appear in every round. They are Clowns with superpowers and valids.

Remove.

maybe if you don't want revenants to appear every round you should dispose of bodies properly instead of leaving them to fester

oh wait every chef gets murdered by pete 2 seconds into the round and people only play chaplain for the sword, nm

Issue with disposing bodies is people get so asinine about it.

Guy starts greytiding, slips, gets killed and gibbed. Bwoinked. I can't make this shit up, rules about doing this needs to be laxed. Getting cloned is a privilege not a right.

bwoinked and ragged for 10 mins by robustin for cremating 3 dead guys who had validhunt/greytide/antag gear. Told not to cremate people.

i think on a good day I've cremated over 40 bodies.

[Armhulen]

revenant is good don't do it don't kill my child

[PKPenguin321]

Needs more vulnerabilities, it's good in most ways but unless it's completely retarded it basically can't die

[Anonmare]

I'd prefer there to be more ways to kill it (didn't we have splashing it with salt be like a near instant kill?) and for there to be more ways to gather resources/fuck the station up. Defile is fun to make things spookier but apart from opening up morgue trays/bodybags and smashing windows to space - it has little utility.

Maybe one way to get some resources without having to steal bodies is just revealing yourself in front of everyone, the more witnesses the more points you get. Honestly I think taking some pointers from Goon's Wraith might be a good idea - namely the poltergeisting and replacing our Blight with their Decay.

[Incomptinence]

Jmad is right for once free the cook and the chaplain open the ash pits.

[Armhulen]

Now looking at it, I'd be fine with a rework if it kept the transmit ability, I love tricking the crew against eachother

[DemonFiren]

Anonmare has a few points, and surprisingly, so does JMad.

[lumipharon]

Rev is gay simply because if it's not terrible, it is massively annoying to kill, meanwhile it just runs around 360emping nerds and using that asshole stam drain thing.
If you could more easily kill it without having to unload a fuckload of shots into it in the 5 seconds it's vulnerable, it would be fine.

[yackemflam]

Rev is gay simply because if it's not terrible, it is massively annoying to kill, meanwhile it just runs around 360emping nerds and using that asshole stam drain thing.
If you could more easily kill it without having to unload a fuckload of shots into it in the 5 seconds it's vulnerable, it would be fine.

A lot of people are pretty fine with revenant.

[Lumbermancer]

Now looking at it, I'd be fine with a rework if it kept the transmit ability, I love tricking the crew against eachother

Your original design was a mistake. It should be all about tricking the crew in the first place, manipulating people, and fucking with environment without harming directly.
It should be about spoopy ghost RP, we have enough murderboner as it is.

[Cobby]

> GriefGhost can pseudo-emag , acid-spam , and have you in cuffs with .

I've never felt my round was made more enjoyable by a ghost who has the ability to open electrified grilles, open escape to space for the luls, kill the AI, or validhunt/murderbone [AKA blight the esworder or blight the sec, your choice!].

Can we please give it less "hahaha fuck you" ling abilities and more SPoooOOOooooOOOOky abilities that don't actually kill [or even hurt] anyone?

Also can we make it so it doesn't fix holy-water tiles? So dumb this side antag has an ability not even main antags like Wiz and Cult can counter.

[Cik]

i hate the things, not because of their abilities but because they are impossible to fucking kill.

even in rounds where security is full and bored, chasing the fucking thing around with the whole armory the times i have seen them actually die can be counted on less than one hand.

[yackemflam]

i hate the things, not because of their abilities but because they are impossible to fucking kill.

even in rounds where security is full and bored, chasing the fucking thing around with the whole armory the times i have seen them actually die can be counted on less than one hand.

Break lights

Wait until it show itself

Shoot it with lasers

EZ MODE Use a shotgun with lethal shells

[Armhulen]

Now looking at it, I'd be fine with a rework if it kept the transmit ability, I love tricking the crew against eachother

Your original design was a mistake. It should be all about tricking the crew in the first place, manipulating people, and fucking with environment without harming directly.
It should be about spoopy ghost RP, we have enough murderboner as it is.

>spawn as Sits-On-Faces, the janitor
>late at night, losing my mind, pray for some Fun(TM) before i hospitalize myself out of boredom and desperation
>start fuckin' around, notice i look different
>aw fuck yeah i'm a slime named "slime" time to slime it up
>devour everything and everything i can, including snacks from the machines and donk pockets from maint and the kitchen
>get to the point where i'm begging people to stuff food inside of me so i can finally see the rumored slime splitting action
>after a while, finally produce a clone that i dress up and put in a dorm room and then another that i hide in the confessional because nobody rps with the chaplain anymore
>stuffing my face and talking to the chef when suddenly
You hear a voice in your head...Kill them and you will receive food.
>start talking to the air, going insane. "Wha...who? Where are the voicesss coming from? The voicesss! Where? Who?"
You hear a voice in your head...Infinite food.
You hear a voice in your head...Kill the chef and you will receive infinite food.
>"Yesss, my lord."
>grab two knives from the kitchen vendor and start throwing them and slashing up the first chef
>second chef tries to intervene, slash him up too
>one of them ends up on the ground, other chef runs away
>i think someone dragged the first chef's body away as i searched for the other one
You hear a voice in your head...Yes, my prophet.
>decide it'd be a good idea to switch to the confessional body and make a clone for that one, eat up and do so
>prowl medbay searching for chef blood, knives in hand
You hear a voice in your head...Kill the other slime, they are a false prophet.
>tell the voice in my head that i am the other slime
You hear a voice in your head...I see, it all makes sense now. Give me bodies.
You hear a voice in your head...We need more bodies!
>"Yes, my lord."
>find the other chef in medbay storage, run after him
>start to slash him up, he runs away
>i chase after him but slip on his tactical soap
>rats, foiled again
>screech that i will return and i will have blood until i go into crit from him beating the shit out of me
>see that you can't switch bodies when you're in crit. load of shit.
>pray to the gods for a second chance and that i'm sorry to have failed them, thinking that i was the prophet of one the admins the whole time
>watch the round ghosted, my catatonic clones chilling throughout the station
>round end
>it was just a revenant the whole time
>i was the slime prophet for a revenant

I have failed you, my lord.

It's the only way to play revenant. turns out the players are making it a grief ghost, but then again, it has the powers to BE a grief ghost.
Don't even need some of those abilities, I only used soul eat thing omnom and transmit.

[DemonFiren]

The funnest rev round I had was when I drove the Warden to insanity.

Then I was found because that was before the slime bug was fixed.

[Ezel]

i hate the things, not because of their abilities but because they are impossible to fucking kill.

even in rounds where security is full and bored, chasing the fucking thing around with the whole armory the times i have seen them actually die can be counted on less than one hand.

Break lights

Wait until it show itself

Shoot it with lasers

EZ MODE Use a shotgun with lethal shells

The problem is that it mostly spawns in windows or behind objects so you cant shoot it

[PKPenguin321]

Rev is gay simply because if it's not terrible, it is massively annoying to kill, meanwhile it just runs around 360emping nerds and using that asshole stam drain thing.
If you could more easily kill it without having to unload a fuckload of shots into it in the 5 seconds it's vulnerable, it would be fine.

yeah this is true
either 1. lower the health massively, or 2. remove the respawn mechanic

[Anonmare]

Rev is gay simply because if it's not terrible, it is massively annoying to kill, meanwhile it just runs around 360emping nerds and using that asshole stam drain thing.
If you could more easily kill it without having to unload a fuckload of shots into it in the 5 seconds it's vulnerable, it would be fine.

yeah this is true
either 1. lower the health massively, or 2. remove the respawn mechanic

Lowering the health wouldn't be doable since the Rev's health is tied to it's Essence.

[PKPenguin321]

i'm sure it could be done, just tweak the ratio of health to essence so that you have the same essence but less health per essence

[Lumbermancer]

Health doesn't change anything. It's the core gameplay loop that's a problem.

[PKPenguin321]

Health doesn't change anything. It's the core gameplay loop that's a problem.

no, less health/no respawns would definitely make them less frustrating to fight against. that's a pretty drastic change.

[Ezel]

Health doesn't change anything. It's the core gameplay loop that's a problem.

no, less health/no respawns would definitely make them less frustrating to fight against. that's a pretty drastic change.

There are most of the case inside windows or behind objects anyways

[Lumbermancer]

If you can't even land a hit then it doesn't matter if it has 1 hp or 100.

[Luke Cox]

Make stuff that spawns them more often (traitor item/cult rune maybe) and give them some means of harming people before they have the ability to short out lights, and they'll be in a good place.

[DemonFiren]

If you can't even land a hit then it doesn't matter if it has 1 hp or 100.

Replace revenants with snas the meme man when?

[Davidchan]

Grief Ghost gets no love?

[Cheimon]

Revenant is great fun when it's roleplayed with. Encourage roleplay by making revenant transmit visible to observing ghosts (so players can see good examples of it, probably best done on a local basis to avoid spam) or giving it interesting objectives. Discourage pure griefing by banning people that don't try to do anything interesting with it. It's not a main antagonist, it doesn't need to be totally unrestricted.

The best part of the revenant is pitting players against each other and getting them to obey you. To do that you normally need some small way of threatening the player (i.e. to have stick as well as carrot) but it doesn't need to mean the ghost is only used to annoy everyone.

[Super Aggro Crag]

last time i dealt with a revenant i kept feeding it prisoner i was permabrigging so it'd leave sec alone

turns out it was the ghost of the first guy i permabrigged who wanted to kill me but i was too good at dodging purplebolts and throwing bodies at it

[confused rock]

all side antags are dumb now that you think about it
blobs are just there to eat the armory
swarmers are retardedly unbalanced with 100% hard counters like borgs but still being ridiculous
abductors seem cool but there is pretty much no counter to being abducted, unless you have a holopara in which case you fuck them all up with them having no chance
ninjas can turn fucking invincible and telefrag people but thats ok because they are rare apparently
lone nuke ops are thankfully disabled
xenos are xenos

[Oldman Robustin]

IMO transmit has to go. I'm increasingly seeing revenants basically take a side during a conflict and using their omniscience to pass along perfect intel about what the other side is doing.

I cannot even express how unfathomably shitty it is for a revenant to out a traitor or changeling thats been operating with perfect stealth, and the antag doesn't even know that an omniscience ghost is feeding their location to the HoS.

[ShadowDimentio]

Revenants teaming with antags is something I see every so often and it's extremely annoying. Removing transmit would probably help a little.

[InsaneHyena]

While I agree that revenant should never take sides - especially, sec side, is removing transmit really the answer? If we remove this, than spooky ghosts are pretty much limited to shocking lights in their interaction with the crew. Maybe some kind of policy or rules regarding revenants would be better.

[Armhulen]

Revenants teaming with antags is something I see every so often and it's extremely annoying. Removing transmit would probably help a little.

nonoNONO

Please don't remove the only ability I use more than twice a round.
Sure, I have helped antags, but then again I have helped security too
just let me be a griff ghost in peace

[PKPenguin321]

Revenants teaming with antags is something I see every so often and it's extremely annoying. Removing transmit would probably help a little.

nonoNONO

Please don't remove the only ability I use more than twice a round.
Sure, I have helped antags, but then again I have helped security too
just let me be a griff ghost in peace

this does not make it any better, see: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 46#p174514

[Cobby]

I'd rather have someone call me out than give me a disease which stuns me for years and hurts+stuns me everytime i'm near a light.

[Luke Cox]

Remove transit and revenant will lose all flavor and fun. Who cares if they side with antags? Git gud

[Armhulen]

Revenants teaming with antags is something I see every so often and it's extremely annoying. Removing transmit would probably help a little.

nonoNONO

Please don't remove the only ability I use more than twice a round.
Sure, I have helped antags, but then again I have helped security too
just let me be a griff ghost in peace

this does not make it any better, see: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 46#p174514

That is a good point, hmm. I guess transmit could go but I'd need to see something really good replace it

[DemonFiren]

>removing the one thing that lets me rp as revenant
Fuck no.

Then again, I'm probably in the minority, playing revenant as the kind of antag who never gets involved directly (and who I believe should not be given combat abilities beyond finishing off already-damaged and isolated prey), instead preferring to spoop everyone.
On the front of spooping everyone, it's kinda shit revenants are visible to medhuds.

[Oldman Robustin]

Remove transit and revenant will lose all flavor and fun. Who cares if they side with antags? Git gud

That's the whole damn point, you can't GIT GUD if an invisible asshole is constantly telling your enemies where you are.

They don't even KNOW they've been out'd by a revenant.

I mean what if we had a side events where a player ghost could just feed everything they've seen to a player of their choice?

That'd be utter shit right? I mean we worked extensively to stop ghosts from using methods to tell the crew who killed them, who's an antag, etc.

Why is it suddenly ok if we let that ghost also EMP shit, fuck their stamina up, or stun everyone near lights?