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Super Aggro Crag wrote:Just die and save money.
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Super Aggro Crag wrote:Just die and save money.
Perhaps you'd like to post an argument about politics not being used to assert the superiority of one's own position before modern times. If you can't do that, maybe you can figure out how sly it is prop up politics in the past as if it were different, paint it in a more positive light, and then paint everyone arguing modern politics as people chasing endorphin hits.CosmicScientist wrote:[insinuate with self awareness]That's a really sly post there.[/insinuate with self awareness or ironic eye rolling]imblyings wrote:That's a really sly post there. Hit two birds with one stone while making the disingenuous claim that arguments in politics existed back then for some sort of reasonable debate you'd see in research communities. It was an issue ever since human nature was a thing and it's very telling that you reference modern politics.Drynwyn wrote:This is the essential issue with modern politics- people are not entering into arguments with the purpose of taking in information and perhaps altering their opinions, they are there for the endorphin hit that comes with asserting the superiority of one's own position.
Nah, good catch even if you didn't call yourself out for extra meta le ironic points!
Because humans are greedy bastards and always desire what the other guy has.imblyings wrote:Why is someone conquering the world in the first place? The last few people who tried doing this caused millions of deaths, even if they were capable administrators after the wars they caused, but even in the end not a single one of their empires lasted.FantasticFwoosh wrote:Riddle me this, if you can't conquer the world through force do you build bridges and unite it? Or just hold everyone in the palm of your hand that agrees with you and shut everyone else out on their own.
I guess we've moved on from any form of actual political traction to readily destroy each other and just play slow games.
mate ya dreamingShadowDimentio wrote:Socialist medicine blows ass.
CosmicScientist wrote:BBC: Premature lambs kept alive in 'plastic bag' womb
The Matrix is almost upon us. We have until... from this point, the same amount of time it takes to allow human cloning from the time of the incident of patient zero, Dolly.
The ventilators are a thing that are used currently for premature babies. IIRC, they pressurize and depressurize the chamber in sequence to simulate breathing- the damage they inflict (usually burst alveoli) isn't permanent per se, but it can be fatal if too many burst and it can take years to heal.CosmicScientist wrote:Oh, yeah I was joking. I just thought it was really cool. There was a problem they clearly highlighted in the article too, about the machine ventilators they had available for the tests would damage lungs although they didn't really say in what way, I assume permanently. So I hope they figure out how to not do that or how to treat it.
It just sounds really cool! Whilst you could be mean and say this doesn't help the CK2 option of only the strong survive, hey, more potential ways to save people even pre birth that might be well researched in our lifetimes!
I mean I wouldn't expect most people to have a detailed knowledge about biomedical tech, I only know about this because I'm working on an actual biochemistry degree.CosmicScientist wrote:i guess i was dumb and shouldn't have read it in a hurry before tea then. Will go back and reread it now then.
Edit: yeah I see now what I was being dumb about and skim read earlier. Ta for the save!
[youtube]5abrr1LIHwk[/youtube]Luke Cox wrote:
We've lost Bill Nye
because he states facts you disagree with? There's not much scientifically that disproves the things he is saying. People do have a binary gender in most cases, determined by their DNA. But their actual sexality, like all sociological factors can vary wildly.Luke Cox wrote:
We've lost Bill Nye
You are right about ignorance. Even prolific in people pro science or environmental protections sadly. Lots or people are pro science they barely understand probably me included on shit I have not studied myself.Super Aggro Crag wrote:Mr nye's previous show was designed to educate people and teach people things. Due to "its not my job to educate you you fucking SHITLORD" being in the vogue his new program is merely an opportunity for people to turn their noses up and laugh at people who aren't as "culturally enriched" as they are. Ignorance is the prime human condition. Babies are born not knowing SHIT. Looking down on people for not knowing as much as you about something that doesn't have any impact in their lives is just being a doo doo canoe.
What facts? He had no evidence to back up a word he said, he just asserted it as truth. The burden of proof falls on the asserter to prove it true, not the rest of the world to disprove it.oranges wrote:because he states facts you disagree with? There's not much scientifically that disproves the things he is saying. People do have a binary gender in most cases, determined by their DNA. But their actual sexality, like all sociological factors can vary wildly.Luke Cox wrote:
We've lost Bill Nye
tusterman11 wrote:Can you stop lying? I just asked you and you are was a piece of shiit on me!!!
EngamerAzari's real number one fangirl <3Kor wrote:I wish Wyzack was still an admin.
So you agree with him and me?ShadowDimentio wrote:What facts? He had no evidence to back up a word he said, he just asserted it as truth. The burden of proof falls on the asserter to prove it true, not the rest of the world to disprove it.oranges wrote:because he states facts you disagree with? There's not much scientifically that disproves the things he is saying. People do have a binary gender in most cases, determined by their DNA. But their actual sexality, like all sociological factors can vary wildly.Luke Cox wrote:
We've lost Bill Nye
The whole idea of the gender spectrum is totally moronic. For humans there exist two genders, transgenders are the exception to this, not the rule, and REAL transgenders, people born that way that had no control over this, are incredibly rare. There's zero science backing up anything close to a third gender.
Sexuality is totally fluid though because it's psychological. You can go from wanting to fuck guys to girls at any time, but no matter how hard you believe your dick isn't going to get pregnant and no amount of butchering transgender surgeries that turn you infertile will change that.
that's actually one of the things non-batshit people talk about when it comes to "patriarchy" crap, the idea that it cuts both ways by telling dudes they aren't allowed to like "girly" things or MUST like a specific set of "manly" thingsSuper Aggro Crag wrote:Why the fuck can't you be a girl who likes monster trucks or a guy who likes porcelain horses without cutting up your wee wee and your woo woo and telling everyone to check their privilege
That's where you're wrong, buddy. Tell me, what does being homosexual entail? Liking the same gender. That's all, no additional baggage outside of social stigmas. No reduction in the quality of their lives. That is not the case with gender dysphoria, not even remotely. Even in cultures where transgender people are 100% accepted, people with gender dysphoria still suffer from crippling depression and anxiety. Do you have any idea how many of them kill themselves because they can't stand the pain anymore? They have to undergo tons of therapy and numerous procedures just to be able to alleviate the anxiety. It's a fucking disorder, and it's a horrible one. Anyone who thinks that homosexuality and gender dysphoria are even remotely comparable has no fucking clue how either works.ColonicAcid wrote:Just because gender dysphoria is currently diagnosed as a neurological disease doesn't mean it is lmao.
Homosexuality used to be in the ICD 9. Is that now considered a mental disorder? Psychology/neurology isn't chemistry or physics, there's very little hard facts. It's mostly theories, theories that have the most evidence are usually the supported ones but that doesn't mean they're correct or even close to it.
Don't fall into the trap just because it's classified as a mental disorder in both ICD-9 and ICD-10 doesn't mean it's going to stay there forever.
Gender dysphoria is absolutely a real disease. Just take a cursory glance at the suicide rates for transgenders and you'll see they're like 18x more likely to kill themselves, regardless of any surgeries to make them a more convincing version of the other sex. Clearly there's something very wrong here psychologically, and pretending that the only issue is acceptance is just going to have more people driven to suicide due to lack of treatment.ColonicAcid wrote:Just because gender dysphoria is currently diagnosed as a neurological disease doesn't mean it is lmao.
Homosexuality used to be in the ICD 9. Is that now considered a mental disorder? Psychology/neurology isn't chemistry or physics, there's very little hard facts. It's mostly theories, theories that have the most evidence are usually the supported ones but that doesn't mean they're correct or even close to it.
Don't fall into the trap just because it's classified as a mental disorder in both ICD-9 and ICD-10 doesn't mean it's going to stay there forever.
Crag my boy you do the same thing except instead of talking about how you're stuck in the wrong body you talk about how you don't have a house.Super Aggro Crag wrote:They're annoying, so fuck 'em.
So you don't think sexuality is a spectrum then? I'm very confused, you and me and bill Nye all agree that gender is a physical attribute granted by DNA and is one of several set states, but sexuality is a sociological construct and can be completely random and change over time.ShadowDimentio wrote:No.
What the fuck are you talking about? I'm talking about medical consequences. Homosexuality isn't automatically accompanied by extreme depression and anxiety. Gender dysphoria is. Homosexuals don't have to undergo extreme medical procedures just to get some relief from the depression.ColonicAcid wrote:>No reduction in the quality of their lives.
Oh so when they were chemically castrated as part of their "treatment" that didn't affect their quality of life at all uh?
Yeah I too like to get my dick chemically snipped off I dunno about you guys lmao it's just a little bit of fun.
It's not. There is no culture/country to my knowledge where transsexuals don't have a disproportionately high suicide rate. If it really is comparable to homosexuality, why don't they have higher suicide rates across the board?ColonicAcid wrote:Crag my boy you do the same thing except instead of talking about how you're stuck in the wrong body you talk about how you don't have a house.Super Aggro Crag wrote:They're annoying, so fuck 'em.
different strokes for different folks, I don't really care either way, and that's how it should be.
@shadow correlation doesnt mean causation. the suicide rate could be entirely due to societal pressure.
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