Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads
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Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads
Because people like pap would rather complain than actually do anything so I'm making this poll to see what you guys want.
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Re: [Poll]Prevent lizards from signing up as Heads
Personally I would prefer it if Lizardmen could not sign up as a Head of Staff. Not only does this force a trade off for playing as a more unique alien race, but it servers as a balance issue. Rev rounds with the heads of staff being non-human will end quickly.
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My opinion: As long as we have asimov as-is playing as lizard is going to be a handicap.
And the racism config option actually protects the round by not having heads so easily killed.
And the racism config option actually protects the round by not having heads so easily killed.
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https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Lizard
Save the mining contract! Bar lizards from head roles! Viva la United Earth Government!However the threat of the United Earth Government terminating Nanotrasen's top secret plasma mining contract forced the addition of article 67 which barred Lizardmen from assuming a command level role outside of extreme circumstances.
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United Earth Government confirmed for best government. Article 67 confirmed for best Article.ShizCalev wrote:https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Lizard
Save the mining contract! Bar lizards from head roles! Viva la United Earth Government!However the threat of the United Earth Government terminating Nanotrasen's top secret plasma mining contract forced the addition of article 67 which barred Lizardmen from assuming a command level role outside of extreme circumstances.
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All this aside, lizards are second-class citizens, not heads of staff. If lizard players are buttblasted about not being able to be in charge, maybe they shouldn't be playing as an inferior race.
United Earth Government is just trying to save you guys from the scaly plague.
United Earth Government is just trying to save you guys from the scaly plague.
plplplplp WOOOOooo hahahhaha
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How about the reverse. (ya ya, i know, it requires coderbus to make such a config option)
Aren't all the sci-fi jokes about how the lizard people rule the world?
Only lizards as heads!
Aren't all the sci-fi jokes about how the lizard people rule the world?
Only lizards as heads!
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DIE LIZ SCUM
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Bolded the only point in this thread that should matter. Fluff can be changed and is ultimately cheap. Lellizardracism is a thing for another thread, probably in the garbage. This is an actual playstyle concern.Steelpoint wrote:Personally I would prefer it if Lizardmen could not sign up as a Head of Staff. Not only does this force a trade off for playing as a more unique alien race, but it servers as a balance issue. Rev rounds with the heads of staff being non-human will end quickly.
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>Own language
This is even better a new reason to hate them. FUcking lizards chittering in their own god damn language probably talking shit about us
This is even better a new reason to hate them. FUcking lizards chittering in their own god damn language probably talking shit about us
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The separate language is the best part about playing Vox on /vg/
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If lizardsare just going to be humans with a lisp and a tail, there's no fucking point in even having them.
It was better when lizards were only scum jobs. What canon we had was simply changed because everyone wanted to be a scaley while still playing their favorite job.
It was better when lizards were only scum jobs. What canon we had was simply changed because everyone wanted to be a scaley while still playing their favorite job.
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lumipharon wrote:If lizardsare just going to be humans with a lisp and a tail, there's no fucking point in even having them.
It was better when lizards were only scum jobs. What canon we had was simply changed because everyone wanted to be a scaley while still playing their favorite job.
Bay racesViolaceus wrote:But I have an idea how to balance lizards:
pros:
- claws deal more brute damage if unarmed
- own language
cons:
- being treated like shit
- non-human status
- forbidden from command roles
Bay med
bay atmos
Let's be Bay but not bay.
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>Don't want players being racist IC against lizards because it results in rule 1 violations
>Want lizards to be unable to be heads
Make up your goddamn mind.
>Want lizards to be unable to be heads
Make up your goddamn mind.
When the fuck were we using the wiki as a reliable source of NONEXISTENT CANON?ShizCalev wrote:https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Lizard
Save the mining contract! Bar lizards from head roles! Viva la United Earth Government!However the threat of the United Earth Government terminating Nanotrasen's top secret plasma mining contract forced the addition of article 67 which barred Lizardmen from assuming a command level role outside of extreme circumstances.
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since a long time ago, vekter.
anything short of actually killing lizards for being lizards should be fair game. you CHOSE to be subhuman, literally. encouraging lizard rights like its the 1950s is SJW bullshit.
lizard janitor only when
anything short of actually killing lizards for being lizards should be fair game. you CHOSE to be subhuman, literally. encouraging lizard rights like its the 1950s is SJW bullshit.
lizard janitor only when
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There's a difference between being racist, and being a cunt. You can be racist without being a cunt, and vice versa.
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Will this prevent Lizards from playing miniheads, And if not will it at least put Human players in those slots before they'd put a filthy lizard?
Violaceus wrote: Mining smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to man- and lizard-kind. Katanas are thrice as sharp as eswords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything an esword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a durand mech with a simple vertical slash.
Ever wonder why Syndicate never bothered conquering Mining? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined miners and their katanas of destruction.
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I agree with Ikkarrus' point mainly. Keeps the round secure and running without heads being killed so easily.
A lizard SHOULD be able to be promoted into a head role like usual if the situation permits/demands it.
A lizard SHOULD be able to be promoted into a head role like usual if the situation permits/demands it.
my forum gimmick is that no one knows who i am
gender is irrelevant NO UR IRRELEVANT
u a bish
y u heff 2 b med
gender is irrelevant NO UR IRRELEVANT
u a bish
y u heff 2 b med
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It's possible to be racist towards lizards without edging into Rule 1 territory, though I guess admins will interact with rule breakers more often than not. I enjoy those smaller interactions (e.g. "What's with all the lizards in Sec? Is it because they're all thugs?"), and AI-Lizard relations are 10x more fun when they're the station's downtrodden by default.
They shouldn't be heads though from the start though. Getting yourself promoted to head as a lizard feels like a mini-achievement of its own.
They shouldn't be heads though from the start though. Getting yourself promoted to head as a lizard feels like a mini-achievement of its own.
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talked to onion5
7:24 PM - An0n3: It's fine to be racist IC
dezzmont wrote:I am one of sawrge's alt accounts
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Connor wrote:miggles is correct though
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Luckily for you guys, we just clarified this in the Rules.
[The WGW policy also] goes for players should they cross the boundary from casual racism/sexism (e.g. overly stereotyped characters, the occasional derogatory term etc) to extreme racism/sexism (e.g. encouraging genocide, forcing their racist behavior onto the majority/all of the crew, signing up as Adolf Hitler)
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that shouldnt encompass lizards IMHO
as far as the public knows lizard people do not exist in real life
there is a need for rules against racism because its a delicate issue to real life people. it might offend someone.
calling someone a "dirty scaly shit" or whatever the hip new slur for lizards is doesnt offend people in real life (unless they think theyre a lizard, which is another issue entirely)
as far as the public knows lizard people do not exist in real life
there is a need for rules against racism because its a delicate issue to real life people. it might offend someone.
calling someone a "dirty scaly shit" or whatever the hip new slur for lizards is doesnt offend people in real life (unless they think theyre a lizard, which is another issue entirely)
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word. fuck off if you do this. you faggots.miggles wrote: encouraging lizard rights like its the 1950s is SJW bullshit.
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lizardfags go homedanno wrote:word. fuck off if you do this. you faggots.miggles wrote: encouraging lizard rights like its the 1950s is SJW bullshit.
plplplplp WOOOOooo hahahhaha
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Human Authority is back on.
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seriously, stop using "SJW" as your auto-win argument, you don't even make sense any moremiggles wrote:encouraging lizard rights like its the 1950s is SJW bullshit.
"being racist to lizards should be allowed because this is a game, but standing up for their rights not because that's SJW"miggles wrote:calling someone a "dirty scaly shit" or whatever the hip new slur for lizards is doesnt offend people in real life
are you just pretending you're a dumb fucking cunt now or are you really that biased
MimicFaux wrote:I remember my first time, full of wonderment and excitement playing this game I had heard so many stories about.
on the arrival shuttle, I saw the iconic toolbox on the ground. I clubbed myself in the head with it trying to figure out the controls.
Setting the tool box, now bloodied, back on the table; I went to heal myself with a medkit. I clubbed myself in the head with that too.
I've come a long ways from asking how to switch hands.
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how does it not make sense
you choose to play a subhuman
fuck you if you want defense for your stupid lizard character
if you try to fight for your rights ICly that's fine, that's RP
but when you try to make lizards have ACTUAL rights that's stupid. they're subhuman characters. you chose to play a subhuman character.
you choose to play a subhuman
fuck you if you want defense for your stupid lizard character
if you try to fight for your rights ICly that's fine, that's RP
but when you try to make lizards have ACTUAL rights that's stupid. they're subhuman characters. you chose to play a subhuman character.
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that's what I'm talking aboutdanno wrote:if you try to fight for your rights ICly that's fine, that's RP
MimicFaux wrote:I remember my first time, full of wonderment and excitement playing this game I had heard so many stories about.
on the arrival shuttle, I saw the iconic toolbox on the ground. I clubbed myself in the head with it trying to figure out the controls.
Setting the tool box, now bloodied, back on the table; I went to heal myself with a medkit. I clubbed myself in the head with that too.
I've come a long ways from asking how to switch hands.
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so we're talking about different things you fuck
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I'm fine with lizards having less rights from an OOC point of view, we're talking about the exact same thing here
MimicFaux wrote:I remember my first time, full of wonderment and excitement playing this game I had heard so many stories about.
on the arrival shuttle, I saw the iconic toolbox on the ground. I clubbed myself in the head with it trying to figure out the controls.
Setting the tool box, now bloodied, back on the table; I went to heal myself with a medkit. I clubbed myself in the head with that too.
I've come a long ways from asking how to switch hands.
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ok well what the fuck then
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you people must be some hardcore fucking spergs to get this worked up over people playing with a different sprite and a lisp
like seriously
why does this even have to be a thread?
like seriously
why does this even have to be a thread?
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need to keep lizardfags in their place
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autism. Okay, got it.danno wrote:need to keep lizardfags in their place
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learn the lore
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who the fuck said anything about lizard players in game not being allowed to fight for their rights or whatever
im saying that there should be no ooc punishment for lizard racism
im saying that there should be no ooc punishment for lizard racism
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>le randum epic reference meme spacemensdanno wrote:learn the lore
>'lore'
brb calling nasa my sides are going to orbit.
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when your 'ebin ic racism' gets to the point where it actively impedes people for no other reason than to be a cunt (and mask being a cunt with the guise if 'muh IC') then you absolutely deserve to be punished. We have a rule for it, actually, it's called 'Rule 1: don't be a dick'.miggles wrote:who the fuck said anything about lizard players in game not being allowed to fight for their rights or whatever
im saying that there should be no ooc punishment for lizard racism
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>Can't greytide anymore and claim lizard racism to dodge bans
>Get angry at the admins
>Get angry at the admins
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>he's spouting nonsenseKangaraptor wrote:>le randum epic reference meme spacemensdanno wrote:learn the lore
>'lore'
brb calling nasa my sides are going to orbit.
>he's spouting 4chan memes
>he thinks it makes him clever
>he'll never know the truth
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>itt: bay invades /tg/station
dezzmont wrote:I am one of sawrge's alt accounts
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Which is more autistic
Liking lizard racism so lizards aren't just green humans
Or calling people autistic over it
Liking lizard racism so lizards aren't just green humans
Or calling people autistic over it
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both
dezzmont wrote:I am one of sawrge's alt accounts
dezzmont wrote:sawrge has it right.
Connor wrote:miggles is correct though
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>some people honestly think being racist against fictional creatures should be bannable
the racism towards lizards adds character to what's otherwise just furry escapism
lidurdly no better than tajarans
the racism towards lizards adds character to what's otherwise just furry escapism
lidurdly no better than tajarans
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at least lizard janitors are iconic
dezzmont wrote:I am one of sawrge's alt accounts
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not even a good iconic, mario90900 was the epitome of the ERPing metafriending power-abuser
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it's not even always baseless racism
i've still never met a lizard player who wasn't a shithead
it must take a certain kind of autism to play lizard in the first place
i've still never met a lizard player who wasn't a shithead
it must take a certain kind of autism to play lizard in the first place
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I see problems with the AI. I also see problems with other command staff, given the usual demographics.
I'd say "fuck it" to that and let lizards be heads anyway, but I am under the impression that would create a lot of avoidable friction. Better to rise to power ICly, at least that way others are to blame for the comdominium.
Of course, most of these problems arise because what was stated in the post above me applies to all players, and spessmen in general.
(Except the admins, because I'm not dumb enough to imply they're shitheads. Not intent on getting banned.)
I'd say "fuck it" to that and let lizards be heads anyway, but I am under the impression that would create a lot of avoidable friction. Better to rise to power ICly, at least that way others are to blame for the comdominium.
Of course, most of these problems arise because what was stated in the post above me applies to all players, and spessmen in general.
(Except the admins, because I'm not dumb enough to imply they're shitheads. Not intent on getting banned.)
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i love playing as a subhuman lizard terrified of all the humans though
it makes it that much sweeter when you suddenly pull a revolver on a racist fuckwad with 3 other lizards around him, and nobody rats you out
it makes it that much sweeter when you suddenly pull a revolver on a racist fuckwad with 3 other lizards around him, and nobody rats you out
In game, I play the A.I Firmware, the French cyborg C.U.R.I.E, Aubrie Allen, and the lizard scum Skulks-Through-Maintenance.
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Jesus fucking christ guys what the hell is going on here.
I voted to allow them to play heads out of "Meh, who cares", but you guys are seriously bringing it too far.
Rant aside, I can understand why people don't want leezard heads, but that's due to the lore or something like that, who even cares. So yeah, lizards should be space-immigrants doing the first job they can find.
Assistant and Janitor.
But that would be insanely restrictive.
So only non-head lizards would be good I guess.
I voted to allow them to play heads out of "Meh, who cares", but you guys are seriously bringing it too far.
Rant aside, I can understand why people don't want leezard heads, but that's due to the lore or something like that, who even cares. So yeah, lizards should be space-immigrants doing the first job they can find.
Assistant and Janitor.
But that would be insanely restrictive.
So only non-head lizards would be good I guess.
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Neither wanting lizards to be second class with a definite roleplaying niche nor wanting them to just be weirdo generic aliens is autistic. Both ideas have merit. One creates a definite RP niche, where as the other allows lizards to be used as generic aliens with "insert your own fluff."
Of course aliens should never just be re-skinned humans. The idea of an alien race is to do something with them you can't do normally with a human. Second class citizen works and I really like the dynamic. Creates some interesting play.
Of course aliens should never just be re-skinned humans. The idea of an alien race is to do something with them you can't do normally with a human. Second class citizen works and I really like the dynamic. Creates some interesting play.
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