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I regret voting for Timberpoes
I just read one of the dumbest rulings ever made on tgstation. viewtopic.php?p=695750#p695750.
What the fuck does "can't use it to fight back" even mean? Expecting a player to just sit there and let himself be beaten is absolutely immersion-breaking. It's beyond stupid.
Even if that wording doesn't actually mean that and I just misinterpreted it, this is still an awful ruling. Something as trivial and basic as calling a ligger that resulting in something as major as a player being "valid" is absurd!
What the fuck does "can't use it to fight back" even mean? Expecting a player to just sit there and let himself be beaten is absolutely immersion-breaking. It's beyond stupid.
Even if that wording doesn't actually mean that and I just misinterpreted it, this is still an awful ruling. Something as trivial and basic as calling a ligger that resulting in something as major as a player being "valid" is absurd!
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
It's meant to encourage you to come up with a more original word instead of using "slur but with a letter changed".
Literal skill issue.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
Posting selfies, Vekter? Trying to derail the thread already?
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sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
if oyu want to be a space racist hold a meeting in dorms or something
whats the problem here
also seeing timber type the words go back to ligrifca tickled my insides
whats the problem here
also seeing timber type the words go back to ligrifca tickled my insides
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
I'm hoping to get some clarity on whether Timberpoes really did make such a mind-numbingly stupid ruling (original post's paragraph 2) or instead I misinterpreted his poor phrasing (original post's paragraph 3).
I don't know if the latter is bad enough to make me regret voting for Timberpoes like I believe the former to be, I need to know which one it is.
I don't know if the latter is bad enough to make me regret voting for Timberpoes like I believe the former to be, I need to know which one it is.
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
Its like speaking as a mime and makes you valid, I imagine.
respect (let him do his thing)
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
theres a simple solution just dont say the n word with one letter replaced
if you cant rp without saying the n word with one letter replaced maybe you need to rethink your style of rp
if you cant rp without saying the n word with one letter replaced maybe you need to rethink your style of rp
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
This is correct, saying the word immediately makes you valid.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
SOMEONE FUCKING MAKE THIS INTO A BANNER
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
Am I overreacting, recovering from the shock of learning about this, or does Timberpoes actually just suck?
Why didn't he answer my question?
At that point, just add it to the filter...
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sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
No; this is funnier.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
How is baiting people who don't know about a dumb ruling like this into making themselves valid "funnier"?
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sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
The ruling is if you say ligger you are free to be killed. The reason why you cannot lethally fight back is because it would be used to escalation bait. Think of it akin to tiding into a secure area where you cannot fight back lethally (to prevent escalation bait) but obviously you can like shove them or run away or some shit. You are obviously not meant to stand completely still
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
no new player is going to independently decide to say that unless they see someone else do it, so they're only going to be tricked if they see someone get the shit kicked out of them and think "huh maybe i should do that too"
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
Any valid response I have to this would be a violation of forum rules.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
Has there actually ever been an instance of someone calling a ligger a ligger to "escalation bait"?
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sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
You're doing it now, except instead of "escalation baiting", you're trolling.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
i should ask people to donate space cash to lizrael
also i literally just had a round on terry 30 minutes ago where the CE kept calling lizards "liggers" on radio and then they ahelped when a sec lizard (hates-the-stuns) arrested them and took their telescopic baton
also i literally just had a round on terry 30 minutes ago where the CE kept calling lizards "liggers" on radio and then they ahelped when a sec lizard (hates-the-stuns) arrested them and took their telescopic baton
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
This is a complete non issue if you can control your urges to do that one specific act of speciesism, or if you are skilled enough to run away. This is an overreaction unless like you have a gimmick out of calling lizards that for some reason?? And even then skill issue?
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
Yeah, that's me, how do you think I learned about this idiotic policy? Who wouldn't ahelp ligger sec suddenly going rogue and beating up "filthy humans" (the same sec who broke down atmos' windows FNR minutes earlier, no less).
I am so not skilled at running away. I tried running away once, I ran into a ling in maint and died. I suck at running away, I'm nowhere near as good as you at being coward.
Calling a lizard a "ligger" is no different to me to calling a plasmaman a "plasmeme" or calling borgs "silly cones". It's a funny alternative name. Yet we have people like Vekter and Fren255 being all weird about it.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:59 pm unless like you have a gimmick out of calling lizards that for some reason
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they didnt kidnap you though i saw you were still in engineering via thermal vision and they full stripped you and ended up giving me your baton later which i spraypainted brown and labeled as poo covered and was gonna give it back to you.
Btw that round fucking sucked because you wouldnt keep the station consistently powered and the only reason i had thermal vision mutation was because of the rad station trait and you failing to keep that anti rad machine powered.
Btw that round fucking sucked because you wouldnt keep the station consistently powered and the only reason i had thermal vision mutation was because of the rad station trait and you failing to keep that anti rad machine powered.
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
What do you call cuffing and grabbing someone? I call it kidnapping.
The bozo eventually ran away when the AI bolted everything and he got outnumbered, which doesn't change what he did before that.
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
You should have been lynched for more than just saying the L word repeatedly.
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I latejoined... don't blame me...
Ah, yes, I should've been lynched right off the arrivals shuttle because of the incompetence of the crew that was there before me, and because some dumbfuck ligger stopped me from doing my job by kidnapping me.
Truly a thinker, aren't you?
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sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
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This is my favourite thread of 2023.
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
I can't wait for Timberpoes to ban the terms "plasmeme" and "sillycone" next. Why not make the default lawset "crewsimov" while we're at it? And we can change the server's name to "fulp 2: non-human boogaloo"!
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sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
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Ah yes, the age old, timeless, refined "I'm rubber you're glue" rebuttal.
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RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
See, now you're just being intentionally obtuse. Again, trolling - you're doing this for attention, nothing else.
You've been told multiple times that the issue with ligger is that it's literally just an IRL slur with a single letter changed. I have a feeling that you both know and understand this, you're just playing stupid because you think it'll piss people off.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
Plasmeme isnt one letter off from a slur same with sillycone
would you rather lizards be able to call humans that called them the L word the N word (i mean i would but i doubt it would happen)
actually i wonder how well someone would do if they ran for headmin and promised to unban the N word, even if its as satire.
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
No. You suck.
While we're here though, Can we talk about your whole deal? Like, you behave perfectly respectably on Terry, yet you have the most weird forum takes.
In-game you're not far off admin-candidate-material, is it just you forget to take your meds when you log into the forums?
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Don't presume to know my motives. How arrogant.
What I haven't been told is why that matters at all.
If it really was an issue, you'd be adding the word to the either the soft or hard filter. The fact that you did neither tells me you (or Timber, in this case) don't really think it is an issue, you're admittedly just doing this for shits and giggles, at the expense of players who did nothing wrong, and simply used a traditional SS13 fictional slur, but did not know a new dumb ruling, which is conduct unbecoming the authority of a headmin.
This wouldn't be a compromise. The same people who are defending this ruling are the ones who wouldn't be fine with that.
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If it generates an incident, it's traceable through logs. If it's done to you, ahelp it and an admin can look it up.Longestarmlonglaw wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:42 pmWhat about identify theft through genetics or a voice changer mask?
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
Racism skill issue. if you gotta lean on ligger you gotta up your lizard hating game.
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
The thing is I don't hate liggers, the same way I don't hate plasmemes or sillycones.
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sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
idk how it's used as an offhand thing to say for you when it's generally been used as the nword but one letter off
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
kind of, except its based off nigger. and if you're gonna be ingame racist be racist towards the lizard, ideally it shouldn't be based on actual real life racist terms.
If we had other RL slurs being transcribed to use against cat people, you'd see a similar kind of no-nonsense response.
Timber isn't trying to discourage ingame racism, they are trying to discourage people's actual RL racism leaking into the game.
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
Most people may think you a pretending to be dumb as rocks, but you should know i don’t discount the possibility that you are actually dumb as rocks.
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
Mistaking a different opinion for a lower intellect is a sign of someone who's "dumb as rocks". You owe yourself some introspection.Itseasytosee2me wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:11 amMost people may think you a pretending to be dumb as rocks, but you should know i don’t discount the possibility that you are actually dumb as rocks.
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sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
did you really say "im calling gods" after they took your shoes and make you step on glass... (a torment that lizards are normally faced with)
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
It's good to see a reasonable argument presented at last.
There's nothing wrong with this goal, but there is something very wrong with the way he's going about it.
I don't know how to answer that, other than finding it weird that you think people's personal opinions have any bearing on whether they're "admin-candidate-material" or not.WineAllWine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:38 pm While we're here though, Can we talk about your whole deal? Like, you behave perfectly respectably on Terry, yet you have the most weird forum takes.
In-game you're not far off admin-candidate-material, is it just you forget to take your meds when you log into the forums?
No, I said something similar after he, a security officer, grossly violated job expectations by going rogue (read: self-antagging), and kidnapping and assaulting command staff.
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I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
this is a valid point, it should probably be put into the welcome text when a player joins the lobby screen
edit: vekters right though this is way funnier
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
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Re: I regret voting for Timberpoes
You mean like in the thousand SS13 videos that people can watch on YouTube from before this ruling?
And that's not even mentioning returning players or even existing players who don't read the policy threads.
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now.
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
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