HEADMIN ELECTION 18 PEANUT:

[kinnebian]

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looks like the new election is starting
are you running?
im running
who else is running?
are you excited for anyone in particular
have you already decided who you want to vote for?

[AwkwardStereo]

Team stereo lets fucking gooooo, we taking it home!!!

im voting armodias and you should too

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[TheFinalPotato]

These candidates that have never been admins are making it kind of obvious that they don't know how TG is structured and that admins and headmins do not control code (outside of headmins controlling configs, I think?)

It's not player candidates saying these things

[Indie-ana Jones]

kids today dont know that the game was totally different pre-sethtide. it was much closer to what we call mrp today, and was considered the normal ss13 experience.

I wouldn't believe everything you hear from others regarding that. The server lineup was pretty much an alternation between Bagil or Sybil being popular, where Bagil was closer to NRP and Sybil was a good blend of LRP and MRP understandings about the game, smack dab in the middle and not leaning towards "modern MRP" any more than than it leaned towards "modern LRP". Sybil today leans more towards what Bagil was while Manuel is something that appealed to some of Sybil and a new breed of player who had no place to tolerate the game before due to their wish to constrain conflict in order to do whatever it is they do (social rp with nothing interrupting it).

Terry was there too, and was always portrayed as the worst of all three servers. I'd like to think there was a period where Bagil had them beat for that, but I wasn't playing there.

[dirk_mcblade]

Honestly too much of a moving target for me to want to go back to this post and keep updating my endorsements.

[Kubisopplay]

I am automatically going to put all these balance "headmin candidates" right at the bottom. We do not need dedicated balance testers or coders. This is not a competitive game. If players are doing nothing but getting the best gear, bonk the powergamers, and help the antags with fun admin events to inspire them with roleplay.

The separation is absolute.

elaborate on what you mean
just any of it
i dont understand

There are headmin candidates (kubi and bug) having dumb election based coding changes as their platform. It's not going to happen.

Excuse me, all I want to do is to let the server make its own path forward in all regards, instead of being dragged around by coder team that's basically untouchable, has 0 enforceable standards, and who basically do whatever they want, ignoring whoever else because players don't matter

[Jacquerel]

i wonder if the couple of months break before tg unforked would be good or bad for our issue tracker

[CMDR_Gungnir]

i wonder if the couple of months break before tg unforked would be good or bad for our issue tracker

I actually do have a question.

Why is it that so many of the maintainers/the headcoders don't actually play the game? Why invest so much time into a game that you don't even want to play?

[Jacquerel]

I couldn’t tell you for sure because i do intermittently play the game (i think i have the lowest tg hours logged of the coding team though)
but i imagine it’s just that it’s a creative outlet and making and maintaining things that you know people will use is inherently rewarding

[Jacquerel]

it’s like admins who stop playing after they realise that observer-dming is actually more fun for them

[TheFinalPotato]

I actually do have a question.

Why is it that so many of the maintainers/the headcoders don't actually play the game? Why invest so much time into a game that you don't even want to play?

Game loses charm over time (a lot of why it was fun personally was the unknown, and coding sorta makes that known), but the good chemicals that come from improving it/making it easier to improve it are more longlasting. Specially when you can see those improvements visually/very quickly. Plus I've made friends with the people around it, and it's a fun hobby I like solving problems like these.
Also also it's kinda addictive tbh github should be regulated as a drug.

[Misdoubtful]

I actually do have a question.

Why is it that so many of the maintainers/the headcoders don't actually play the game? Why invest so much time into a game that you don't even want to play?

Game loses charm over time (a lot of why it was fun personally was the unknown, and coding sorta makes that known), but the good chemicals that come from improving it/making it easier to improve it are more longlasting. Specially when you can see those improvements visually/very quickly. Plus I've made friends with the people around it, and it's a fun hobby I like solving problems like these.
Also also it's kinda addictive tbh github should be regulated as a drug.

Yep.

It's why I play on so many servers and why when my activity dips here it means I'm on them. Otherwise I could grow to dislike any server at any time.

Otherwise you'll end up knowing everything and it'll just be boring.

[Imitates-The-Lizards]

The more I read in these platform threads, the more I'm liking iain just because he's the only candidate who isn't tryharding for change when there simply might not need to be any. If my picks are iain who will probably just be boring but get the job done well or the people who want to delete felinids, fork the codebase, piss off all the coderbus maintainers into quitting, and unban anyone just for appealing, on god, I will just pick iain. There are so many bad picks that this is feeling less like picking the best candidate and more like picking the least bad one.

Or maybe Chadley.

[Fren256]

it’s like admins who stop playing after they realise that observer-dming is actually more fun for them

As a ghost main I can confirm that yes, not playing the game is more fun than playing the game.

[Jacquerel]

it’s like admins who stop playing after they realise that observer-dming is actually more fun for them

As a ghost main I can confirm that yes, not playing the game is more fun than playing the game.

I love observing and am serially confused about people who get really upset about dyingnin the video game, that just means you can see everything else going on
Different strokes I guess

[EOBGames]

i wonder if the couple of months break before tg unforked would be good or bad for our issue tracker

I actually do have a question.

Why is it that so many of the maintainers/the headcoders don't actually play the game? Why invest so much time into a game that you don't even want to play?

Speaking to my own experience: coding gave me a way to improve the game, but that also made me much more critical of it. For a while it was fine, I'd just get ideas as I spent time in round, but eventually it just left me dissatisfied every time I played- because I'd see something I felt I could improve, get annoyed by it, and get so caught up in brainstorming ways to fix it that I'd forget how to enjoy the game for what it is. But me not wanting to play it doesn't mean that I don't enjoy SS13- I love designing for it, I love players enjoying what I make, I love writing up lore and making maps and creating new foods and all the stuff I like to add to the game. I presume that last sentiment is the same for the rest of the team, though I don't want to speak for them.

[iwishforducks]

I just obtained footage of Striders in real life. Is this truly the headmin you want to vote for? (REAL FOOTAGE) (THIS IS MY SMEAR CAMPAIGN)
https://twitter.com/akiba2960/status/16 ... 6145250342

[nianjiilical]

finally got around to properly reading the posts and here is my tentative ranking

good:
cheshify - events good, more player polls would be nice even if coders would probably ignore half of them, im down for expanding into ss14 a little
animetiddies - i didnt think this one would be serious but the more i look it the more i actually agree with almost all of it. lrp/mrp seperation could go either way, escalation regulation for head roles sounds good, events good, hut deletions are fine
kinnebian - rulesbus is a good idea, events good, adminswap is a silly idea but it could be fun
sightid2 - high quality silipol takes and moths are funny, not a lot of meat but the silipol takes get a big thumbs up from me
fikou - i dont really care that much about silly ooc in ic but a lot of their technical stuff sounds good, mostly things i dont have experience getting involved in
wineallwine - funminning is fun, essayposting is meh, not really much of a platform but i like the spirit

eh:
bugstep - more rule 1 use is good, i dont really care either way about head role specism, wrangling coders into doing anything feels like a wasted effort but i like what theyre trying to do
armodias - note stuff sounds good, i'm not at all opposed to trying to get a manuel-specific headmin added, events good, im in favor of ais getting to be more antagonistic with bad laws, inactive admins arent that big a deal imo. overall 50-50 on their policy but doesnt sound terrible
generalthrax - im not an mrp player or an admintrainer so i have no opinion on any of this but they seem fine
iain0 - literal nothing platform but in the way where theyre just promising to not light the server on fire so yeah sure i guess thats fine
xpokee - i dont play mrp so shrug
awkwardstereo - its a meme platform but i cant put them in "bad" when one of their takes is silicon impartiality

bad:
johnfulp - probably the policy i disagree the most with without any of it being "this is dumb/will never happen". assistant maint access is fine imo, felinid removal is dumb, i dont care much about memey ooc in ic, mentors could go either way, please dont give goof headmin
iwishforducks - felinid removal is a bait platform
kubisopplay - theyre running on a main platform that nobody will ever accept and will just cause community drama but im glad someone has the balls to kill striders
gupta - theres barely any platform here so i have to go on ingame experience and they beat me up on sybil the other day so 0/10

[Sightld2]

...-I'm liking iain just because he's the only candidate who isn't tryharding for change when there simply might not need to be any-...

I think its difficult coming off a term who did so well(In my opinion)

The rest of us maybe feel like we need to bring something to the table. Because if all you want are status-quo mins? Well Iain0 is probably going to be better at that than us, even if we wanted to keep things the exact same. Most active admin + experience. Maybe that's defeatist of me, but like, if we're all promising to be boring, then who gets picked? Activity and experience are the first thing that comes to mind. I guess you could care about individual history to see how they handled appeals, policy, and such.

[Cheshify]

It's kind of fun to see myself at the top of so many tier lists.

[CMDR_Gungnir]

Game loses charm over time (a lot of why it was fun personally was the unknown, and coding sorta makes that known), but the good chemicals that come from improving it/making it easier to improve it are more longlasting. Specially when you can see those improvements visually/very quickly. Plus I've made friends with the people around it, and it's a fun hobby I like solving problems like these.
Also also it's kinda addictive tbh github should be regulated as a drug.

Speaking to my own experience: coding gave me a way to improve the game, but that also made me much more critical of it. For a while it was fine, I'd just get ideas as I spent time in round, but eventually it just left me dissatisfied every time I played- because I'd see something I felt I could improve, get annoyed by it, and get so caught up in brainstorming ways to fix it that I'd forget how to enjoy the game for what it is. But me not wanting to play it doesn't mean that I don't enjoy SS13- I love designing for it, I love players enjoying what I make, I love writing up lore and making maps and creating new foods and all the stuff I like to add to the game. I presume that last sentiment is the same for the rest of the team, though I don't want to speak for them.

Both of these are actually very interesting answers! I can totally see that. I just hope y'all can wind up reaching the stage where you enjoy playing again. So you can properly see and enjoy the changes and improvements you've made, live and properly.

[Imitates-The-Lizards]

...-I'm liking iain just because he's the only candidate who isn't tryharding for change when there simply might not need to be any-...

I think its difficult coming off a term who did so well(In my opinion)

The rest of us maybe feel like we need to bring something to the table. Because if all you want are status-quo mins? Well Iain0 is probably going to be better at that than us, even if we wanted to keep things the exact same. Most active admin + experience. Maybe that's defeatist of me, but like, if we're all promising to be boring, then who gets picked? Activity and experience are the first thing that comes to mind. I guess you could care about individual history to see how they handled appeals, policy, and such.

I mean if there was a GOOD change that should happen, like, last term we had "Hey we should allow streaming" as a topic which was why I wanted Rave in, since that was an obvious good idea, then it would be good. But look at the changes being proposed. "Delete felinids" "Fork MRP and LRP" "Create an MRP specific headmin" "stop/ban essayposting" etc. etc.

These are all so bad, that if implemented would create tons of drama and skewer our playerbase apart. And they're put forward as serious planks! I remember when Mothblocks was headmin, she (she?) warned me for calling Manuel players Manuelets because she was so concerned about server tribalism, but now only a couple of elections later and half the candidates are actively promoting server tribalism! Look at how divisive it is! I bet half the current candidates not only wouldn't warn me for that, they would give me a r*ddit accolade for the comment.

And you say it's a defeatist thought you had, but let me ask you this: Do you want to win? Or do you want what's best for the server? Which is more important to you?

If you can't come up with a good position or reason to say I should vote for you over iain, maybe you should just back him instead, since that's the same as admitting you think he's a better candidate for the current situation.

[kinnebian]

I mean if there was a GOOD change that should happen, like, last term we had "Hey we should allow streaming" as a topic which was why I wanted Rave in, since that was an obvious good idea, then it would be good. But look at the changes being proposed. "Delete felinids" "Fork MRP and LRP" "Create an MRP specific headmin" "stop/ban essayposting" etc. etc.

These are all so bad, that if implemented would create tons of drama and skewer our playerbase apart. And they're put forward as serious planks! I remember when Mothblocks was headmin, she (she?) warned me for calling Manuel players Manuelets because she was so concerned about server tribalism, but now only a couple of elections later and half the candidates are actively promoting server tribalism! Look at how divisive it is! I bet half the current candidates not only wouldn't warn me for that, they would give me a r*ddit accolade for the comment.

very well said, i genuinely cant believe these are some of the topics being brought up

[The Wrench]

Again, let’s be real here. Manuel wants nothing to do with the rest of the community, it’s the INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS tower server. They shun LRPers with their metagangs when they try to join Manuel while also trying to legislate their style of fun onto the rest of the community. The Manuel elitists have no concept that people can have fun ways that aren’t exactly how they want to have fun. Let them do what they want, but don’t force LRP to become more insular and “metacliquey” just as LRP doesn’t force Manuel to lighten up.

[kinnebian]

Again, let’s be real here. Manuel wants nothing to do with the rest of the community, it’s the INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS tower server. They shun LRPers with their metagangs when they try to join Manuel while also trying to legislate their style of fun onto the rest of the community. The Manuel elitists have no concept that people can have fun ways that aren’t exactly how they want to have fun. Let them do what they want, but don’t force LRP to become more insular and “metacliquey” just as LRP doesn’t force Manuel to lighten up.

Sorry, have you ever played manuel, or did you just take the opinion of passing sybillites in 2020?

[Sightld2]

I mean if there was a GOOD change that should happen, like, last term we had "Hey we should allow streaming" as a topic which was why I wanted Rave in, since that was an obvious good idea, then it would be good.

But look at the changes being proposed. "Delete felinids" "Fork MRP and LRP" "Create an MRP specific headmin" "stop/ban essayposting" etc. etc.

These are all so bad, that if implemented would create tons of drama and skewer our playerbase apart. And they're put forward as serious planks! I remember when Mothblocks was headmin, she (she?) warned me for calling Manuel players Manuelets because she was so concerned about server tribalism, but now only a couple of elections later and half the candidates are actively promoting server tribalism! Look at how divisive it is! I bet half the current candidates not only wouldn't warn me for that, they would give me a r*ddit accolade for the comment.

Don't get me wrong, I disagree with literally all of those takes, I'm just trying to put forward the mindset to why we might be seeing them.

And you say it's a defeatist thought you had, but let me ask you this: Do you want to win? Or do you want what's best for the server? Which is more important to you?

This is a silly question because of course I believe that what I want to do is for the best of the server. I wouldn't be running otherwise.

If you can't come up with a good position or reason to say I should vote for you over iain, maybe you should just back him instead, since that's the same as admitting you think he's a better candidate for the current situation.

Are you talking about me specifically or everyone?

'Cause that is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying, is that if you're absolutely happy with things as they are, then yeah Iain0 is a good choice, his whole platform is being neutral. This much is obvious.

I am not so happy. I want to babysit the silicon policy that Kiethdoubtfulpoes is currently writing and I believe I have the experience to do so, that I am more qualified to do so, than Iain0, as an example. I want to expand naming policy freedom in a way I do not think any status-quo min (Or one who has said he will remain neutral) would go for either. Pardon if that's just me repeating points in my thread, I digress.

In summary, I find it silly to raise certain obvious points in candidates' favor, when its clear that everyone is going to try and do that. I think its silly to say "I am going to try and handle appeals faster" well of course you are. No one's trying to do that slower. So when it comes down to "Who is going to do nothing the best?" well I think that's a difficult point to argue in one's favor. And I think this mindset is where some of the other candidates are.

I think I misunderstood your post at first. If your point is "half of these candidates just want to win via populist changes, not what is good for everyone," then I can see that perspective and apologize if I appeared to be defending that.

[The Wrench]

Again, let’s be real here. Manuel wants nothing to do with the rest of the community, it’s the INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS tower server. They shun LRPers with their metagangs when they try to join Manuel while also trying to legislate their style of fun onto the rest of the community. The Manuel elitists have no concept that people can have fun ways that aren’t exactly how they want to have fun. Let them do what they want, but don’t force LRP to become more insular and “metacliquey” just as LRP doesn’t force Manuel to lighten up.

Sorry, have you ever played manuel, or did you just take the opinion of passing sybillites in 2020?

Yes, I actually have tried to play manuel and the meta gangs were so unbearably awful. It turned me off of the concept.

I am not one to hate things because they are different so know that I actually genuinely try to give it a chance because I like Manuel as a concept, but I’ve found Sybil has just as high RP as Manuel without nearly as much fart huffing elitism

[RedBaronFlyer]

Again, let’s be real here. Manuel wants nothing to do with the rest of the community, it’s the INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS tower server. They shun LRPers with their metagangs when they try to join Manuel while also trying to legislate their style of fun onto the rest of the community. The Manuel elitists have no concept that people can have fun ways that aren’t exactly how they want to have fun. Let them do what they want, but don’t force LRP to become more insular and “metacliquey” just as LRP doesn’t force Manuel to lighten up.

I was going to have a long post responding to this, but I gave up because your post just amounts to you thinking that manuel works like this:



Server tribalism is stupid. Perhaps natural, but incredibly stupid.

Manuel has problems, but it isn't "they can sniff out the LRP N'wahs and meta grudge them" kind of problems.

[Striders13]

I just obtained footage of Striders in real life. Is this truly the headmin you want to vote for? (REAL FOOTAGE) (THIS IS MY SMEAR CAMPAIGN)
https://twitter.com/akiba2960/status/16 ... 6145250342

I'm not even running

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good video tho

[The Wrench]

I still think Manuel should be locked behind a monthly LRP playtime to remind the metagangers that there’s more to TG than your medbay gang clique.

[dragomagol]

I still think Manuel should be locked behind a monthly LRP playtime to remind the metagangers that there’s more to TG than your medbay gang clique.

What the h-

OI

IS SOMEONE HAVING FUN OVER THERE?

CUT THAT SHIT OUT

[nianjiilical]

I still think Manuel should be locked behind a monthly LRP playtime to remind the metagangers that there’s more to TG than your medbay gang clique.

i think terry should be locked behind a monthly mrp playtime to remind the tiders that there's more to tg than your deathmatch valids

[WineAllWine]

I said this I admin-chatter: SO ADMIN LEAK BAN HE:

I know the odds aren't on my side but I genuinely encourage other headmin candidates to not essay post. I care a great deal and yet I don't care enough to read that much

[AwkwardStereo]

I said this I admin-chatter: SO ADMIN LEAK BAN HE:

I know the odds aren't on my side but I genuinely encourage other headmin candidates to not essay post. I care a great deal and yet I don't care enough to read that much

I don't care. The last community I actively participated on their forum I was banned because a single person who paid $500 to be a board admin didn't want to read a post longer than 15 seconds. That story is more complicated than the broad stroke synopsis, but hearing people bitch and moan about reading irritates me just as much then as it did now.

[WineAllWine]

I said this I admin-chatter: SO ADMIN LEAK BAN HE:

I know the odds aren't on my side but I genuinely encourage other headmin candidates to not essay post. I care a great deal and yet I don't care enough to read that much

I don't care. The last community I actively participated on their forum I was banned because a single person who paid $500 to be a board admin didn't want to read a post longer than 15 seconds. That story is more complicated than the broad stroke synopsis, but hearing people bitch and moan about reading irritates me just as much then as it did now.

I genuinely dont know if you're being serious but it's clear I'm not suggesting that

[WineAllWine]

The worst I would do is nor read your post and ask you to write it again more succinctly

[AwkwardStereo]

I said this I admin-chatter: SO ADMIN LEAK BAN HE:

I know the odds aren't on my side but I genuinely encourage other headmin candidates to not essay post. I care a great deal and yet I don't care enough to read that much

I don't care. The last community I actively participated on their forum I was banned because a single person who paid $500 to be a board admin didn't want to read a post longer than 15 seconds. That story is more complicated than the broad stroke synopsis, but hearing people bitch and moan about reading irritates me just as much then as it did now.

I genuinely dont know if you're being serious but it's clear I'm not suggesting that

It's a culmination of years of seething and generally just seeing the same shit back then that I have been seeing around here lately in regards to people just tiring of "wall posting" (not just in that link, it's just the first and only example I care to grab).

It's tiring, it brings up bad memories, and it really is like seeing history repeat itself for me. No, that story is not a joke, it really did happen and I am still quite assmad about it because the Project Lead just threw his hands up in the air and let the admin and dev teams engage in a civil war. I was on the side that lost (we did not pay $500 to win). No I don't think I'll get banned for it, especially not if I don't fork money over, but it's enough to remind me.

The worst I would do is nor read your post and ask you to write it again more succinctly

You're free to ask that of me. Whether I do or do not is up to how I would feel on the day. I'm sorry for the hostile tone but the old scar still itches.

[The Wrench]

I still think Manuel should be locked behind a monthly LRP playtime to remind the metagangers that there’s more to TG than your medbay gang clique.

i think terry should be locked behind a monthly mrp playtime to remind the tiders that there's more to tg than your deathmatch valids

Thing is, I can RP on terry better than I could on Manuel. They may be mentally damaged slug people there, but they’re open to new faces. Manuel is a staticname hell of meta friends and I guarantee you if the the cuques were to be broken up as per the rules Manuel would die. It’s a chat room for burned out TG players.

[Chadley]

The more I read in these platform threads, the more I'm liking iain just because he's the only candidate who isn't tryharding for change when there simply might not need to be any. If my picks are iain who will probably just be boring but get the job done well or the people who want to delete felinids, fork the codebase, piss off all the coderbus maintainers into quitting, and unban anyone just for appealing, on god, I will just pick iain. There are so many bad picks that this is feeling less like picking the best candidate and more like picking the least bad one.

Or maybe Chadley.

I like this chadley gal.

[kinnebian]

Again, let’s be real here. Manuel wants nothing to do with the rest of the community, it’s the INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS tower server. They shun LRPers with their metagangs when they try to join Manuel while also trying to legislate their style of fun onto the rest of the community. The Manuel elitists have no concept that people can have fun ways that aren’t exactly how they want to have fun. Let them do what they want, but don’t force LRP to become more insular and “metacliquey” just as LRP doesn’t force Manuel to lighten up.

Sorry, have you ever played manuel, or did you just take the opinion of passing sybillites in 2020?

Yes, I actually have tried to play manuel and the meta gangs were so unbearably awful. It turned me off of the concept.

I am not one to hate things because they are different so know that I actually genuinely try to give it a chance because I like Manuel as a concept, but I’ve found Sybil has just as high RP as Manuel without nearly as much fart huffing elitism

But youve only played 24 minutes total across both of your accounts on scrubby, unless im reading something wrong

[The Wrench]

Again, let’s be real here. Manuel wants nothing to do with the rest of the community, it’s the INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS tower server. They shun LRPers with their metagangs when they try to join Manuel while also trying to legislate their style of fun onto the rest of the community. The Manuel elitists have no concept that people can have fun ways that aren’t exactly how they want to have fun. Let them do what they want, but don’t force LRP to become more insular and “metacliquey” just as LRP doesn’t force Manuel to lighten up.

Sorry, have you ever played manuel, or did you just take the opinion of passing sybillites in 2020?

Yes, I actually have tried to play manuel and the meta gangs were so unbearably awful. It turned me off of the concept.

I am not one to hate things because they are different so know that I actually genuinely try to give it a chance because I like Manuel as a concept, but I’ve found Sybil has just as high RP as Manuel without nearly as much fart huffing elitism

But youve only played 24 minutes total across both of your accounts on scrubby, unless im reading something wrong

I played one shift on Manuel and that’s all I needed to see. I may end up, revisiting it in the future but seeing the outright hostility here over silly nonsense In regards to Manuel doesn’t really paint a good picture.

[kinnebian]

Again, let’s be real here. Manuel wants nothing to do with the rest of the community, it’s the INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS tower server. They shun LRPers with their metagangs when they try to join Manuel while also trying to legislate their style of fun onto the rest of the community. The Manuel elitists have no concept that people can have fun ways that aren’t exactly how they want to have fun. Let them do what they want, but don’t force LRP to become more insular and “metacliquey” just as LRP doesn’t force Manuel to lighten up.

Sorry, have you ever played manuel, or did you just take the opinion of passing sybillites in 2020?

Yes, I actually have tried to play manuel and the meta gangs were so unbearably awful. It turned me off of the concept.

I am not one to hate things because they are different so know that I actually genuinely try to give it a chance because I like Manuel as a concept, but I’ve found Sybil has just as high RP as Manuel without nearly as much fart huffing elitism

But youve only played 24 minutes total across both of your accounts on scrubby, unless im reading something wrong

I played one shift on Manuel and that’s all I needed to see.

Is one shift ever going to be enough to judge a server and its players so harshly and in its entirety?
Hell, that wasnt even one shift. It was 24 minutes.

[The Wrench]

Again, let’s be real here. Manuel wants nothing to do with the rest of the community, it’s the INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS tower server. They shun LRPers with their metagangs when they try to join Manuel while also trying to legislate their style of fun onto the rest of the community. The Manuel elitists have no concept that people can have fun ways that aren’t exactly how they want to have fun. Let them do what they want, but don’t force LRP to become more insular and “metacliquey” just as LRP doesn’t force Manuel to lighten up.

Sorry, have you ever played manuel, or did you just take the opinion of passing sybillites in 2020?

Yes, I actually have tried to play manuel and the meta gangs were so unbearably awful. It turned me off of the concept.

I am not one to hate things because they are different so know that I actually genuinely try to give it a chance because I like Manuel as a concept, but I’ve found Sybil has just as high RP as Manuel without nearly as much fart huffing elitism

But youve only played 24 minutes total across both of your accounts on scrubby, unless im reading something wrong

I played one shift on Manuel and that’s all I needed to see.

Is one shift ever going to be enough to judge a server and its players so harshly and in its entirety?
Hell, that wasnt even one shift. It was 24 minutes.

The experience was that awful, but you know what..

I’ll play ball. I will try a few shifts with my static from Sybil. Maybe I just got critically unlucky with the people who joined that day.

[kinnebian]

Again, let’s be real here. Manuel wants nothing to do with the rest of the community, it’s the INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS tower server. They shun LRPers with their metagangs when they try to join Manuel while also trying to legislate their style of fun onto the rest of the community. The Manuel elitists have no concept that people can have fun ways that aren’t exactly how they want to have fun. Let them do what they want, but don’t force LRP to become more insular and “metacliquey” just as LRP doesn’t force Manuel to lighten up.

Sorry, have you ever played manuel, or did you just take the opinion of passing sybillites in 2020?

Yes, I actually have tried to play manuel and the meta gangs were so unbearably awful. It turned me off of the concept.

I am not one to hate things because they are different so know that I actually genuinely try to give it a chance because I like Manuel as a concept, but I’ve found Sybil has just as high RP as Manuel without nearly as much fart huffing elitism

But youve only played 24 minutes total across both of your accounts on scrubby, unless im reading something wrong

I played one shift on Manuel and that’s all I needed to see.

Is one shift ever going to be enough to judge a server and its players so harshly and in its entirety?
Hell, that wasnt even one shift. It was 24 minutes.

The experience was that awful, but you know what..

I’ll play ball. I will try a few shifts with my static from Sybil. Maybe I just got critically unlucky with the people who joined that day.

we're so fucking back

[Capsandi]

I've played 86 rounds on manuel according to scrubby and I could fully agree with ADAMS ADAM WHAT DOES IT MEAN ADAM I CAN SEE INTO THE RIDGES YOU DONT LIKE THE SCRUNCHED UP NAME i could fully agree with that take on manuel and pwn kineb into the sun and win the internet. So I will.

Yes, I actually have tried to play manuel and the meta gangs were so unbearably awful. It turned me off of the concept.

I am not one to hate things because they are different so know that I actually genuinely try to give it a chance because I like Manuel as a concept, but I’ve found Sybil has just as high RP as Manuel without nearly as much fart huffing elitism

[Turbonerd]

I am automatically going to put all these balance "headmin candidates" right at the bottom. We do not need dedicated balance testers or coders. This is not a competitive game. If players are doing nothing but getting the best gear, bonk the powergamers, and help the antags with fun admin events to inspire them with roleplay.

The separation is absolute.

elaborate on what you mean
just any of it
i dont understand

There are headmin candidates (kubi and bug) having dumb election based coding changes as their platform. It's not going to happen.

Excuse me, all I want to do is to let the server make its own path forward in all regards, instead of being dragged around by coder team that's basically untouchable, has 0 enforceable standards, and who basically do whatever they want, ignoring whoever else because players don't matter

Your platform is just having nuclear war with the /tg/ codebase, then forking. Your replacement repo would just be led by NEET ideas guys balancing this game like it's some competitive MMO. Why would anyone want that?

[Timberpoes]

The key with Manuel is avoiding its community.

If you can just treat it as an LRP server where you're expected to put in a little more effort to interact and RP, you're basically set.

[The Wrench]

First Manny shift, Unremarkable, Wasn't that much different than my home Sybil. Eh out of ten

[Capsandi]

Hey headmin candidates, suffocation has been in /tg/ station since the start, but some of your fellow headmin wanabees think its time is up. Could we get some opinions on this?

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Preventing entropic concept decay is hard so im gonna ignore it

I think removing the requirement to breathe would really make the game more intuitive as well as open the door to players who might not be good at breathing. I mean i see all sorts of players suffocating outside airlocks they thought led to security(they are red)! I don't think forcing our players to breathe to enforce a setting is worth the hassle.

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GODDAMMIT CHADLEY I AM TRYING TO AUTHOR A JOKE WITH A THRULINE HERE WHY DID YOU HAVE TO HAVE SUCH A GREAT TAKE ON THE NONHUMAN COMMAND QUESTION I STILL HATE BOARD AVATAR POSTERS

I could get behind suffocation being removed. It should be the player's choice to breathe if they so choose. Forcing players to react to suffocating, or to avoid suffocation reeks of game design which would make me a game designer. Such thoughs stir my very soul with fright. Now if you excuse me I need to evade orange's attempts to put my child leash back on. Last time he leashed me next to the limp corpse of Travis CL bot which really creeped me out what with its lack of unit testing.

[RedBaronFlyer]

The more I read in these platform threads, the more I'm liking iain just because he's the only candidate who isn't tryharding for change when there simply might not need to be any. If my picks are iain who will probably just be boring but get the job done well or the people who want to delete felinids, fork the codebase, piss off all the coderbus maintainers into quitting, and unban anyone just for appealing, on god, I will just pick iain. There are so many bad picks that this is feeling less like picking the best candidate and more like picking the least bad one.

Or maybe Chadley.

I like this chadley gal.

Just look at some of these randomly selected Chadley supporters!

Mrr hurrdurr hm hurr!

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Da, Chadley good candidate. Is nice.

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But of course I voted for Chadley, t'was a foregone conclusion! They are, indubitably, the most magnificent of candidates for this position!

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I like this chadley gal.

this is a reference to Toddposting, please don't take it as an insult.

[Chadley]

The more I read in these platform threads, the more I'm liking iain just because he's the only candidate who isn't tryharding for change when there simply might not need to be any. If my picks are iain who will probably just be boring but get the job done well or the people who want to delete felinids, fork the codebase, piss off all the coderbus maintainers into quitting, and unban anyone just for appealing, on god, I will just pick iain. There are so many bad picks that this is feeling less like picking the best candidate and more like picking the least bad one.

Or maybe Chadley.

I like this chadley gal.

Just look at some of these randomly selected Chadley supporters!

Mrr hurrdurr hm hurr!

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Da, Chadley good candidate. Is nice.

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But of course I voted for Chadley, t'was a foregone conclusion! They are, indubitably, the most magnificent of candidates for this position!

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I like this chadley gal.

this is a reference to Toddposting, please don't take it as an insult.

All real people. Very real. Not fake alternative personalities.

[TheLoLSwat]

Yeah idk where all that was coming from, Maneul is not some bastion of RP its just like sybil with slightly more attentive admins