[complaint] Pette artilljerist
- artilljeristus
- Joined: Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:51 pm
- Byond Username: Artilljerist
[complaint] Pette artilljerist
BYOND account: artilljerist
Character name: Israel Moshel
Admin in question: Pette
Round ID in which ban was placed: 4727
Evidence: https://imgur.com/a/wab117h, need logs of shots and casulties
Your side of the story: Pette executed me and another marine while at the same time he shot at the shrike that was behind us. In total, he shot two allies in less than a minute. All this time, he was using a shotgun loaded with a flechette, being at a point blank. When I tried to find out what was the matter, he told me that it was he who did it, and that it is, I quote: "bad luck, the same happens every day, it happens to everyone every day, etc". I wanted to warn him with my experience that you should always aim at the leg, and not at the chest, so that this does not happen, but for some reason it seemed to him that I was starting to be rude to him. In the end he kicked me when I was far from the ship on the planet. If I'm not mistaken, before, when he was playing for the same character, he called me a fool or something like that. I need to double-check that I could have made a mistake, because Pette and some of the rest of marines are wearing yellow armor.
Character name: Israel Moshel
Admin in question: Pette
Round ID in which ban was placed: 4727
Evidence: https://imgur.com/a/wab117h, need logs of shots and casulties
Your side of the story: Pette executed me and another marine while at the same time he shot at the shrike that was behind us. In total, he shot two allies in less than a minute. All this time, he was using a shotgun loaded with a flechette, being at a point blank. When I tried to find out what was the matter, he told me that it was he who did it, and that it is, I quote: "bad luck, the same happens every day, it happens to everyone every day, etc". I wanted to warn him with my experience that you should always aim at the leg, and not at the chest, so that this does not happen, but for some reason it seemed to him that I was starting to be rude to him. In the end he kicked me when I was far from the ship on the planet. If I'm not mistaken, before, when he was playing for the same character, he called me a fool or something like that. I need to double-check that I could have made a mistake, because Pette and some of the rest of marines are wearing yellow armor.
- Dolth
- Joined: Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:35 am
- Byond Username: Pette
Re: [complaint] Pette artilljerist
Hello.
In this spoiler, the first FF.
In this spoiler, the second FF.
Now regarding the whole kick.
Yes, I have kicked you and to be quite honest I wanted to ban you for one to two hours so you could actually chill out but I was told not to by someone in the staff.
I don't know yet how to get PM logs so I'll refer to your screenshots only where it apparently doesn't bother you to insist on giving your own ruling to an admin.
You were literally yelling out of salt (despite of being revived afterward because I pulled you back) and even after being told it was an accident and that FF happens all the time, you kept on holding such an hostile attitude and giving me a trial for what I already told you was part of the game and normal.
I don't know why I am currently explaining how being so hostile despite being given an answer from an admin can result in a kick which is extremely light to my opinion according to your recent amount of notes (I am not even going to talk about the two days ban you just took).
But this is just sad.
The very only thing that I believe could be held against me would be to answer my own ahelp and I'll answer that this rule exist to avoid an obvious bias, and to my opinion it does not apply to a FF in combat situation since there is no room for debate.
Cheers.
In this spoiler, the first FF.
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
Yes, I have kicked you and to be quite honest I wanted to ban you for one to two hours so you could actually chill out but I was told not to by someone in the staff.
I don't know yet how to get PM logs so I'll refer to your screenshots only where it apparently doesn't bother you to insist on giving your own ruling to an admin.
You were literally yelling out of salt (despite of being revived afterward because I pulled you back) and even after being told it was an accident and that FF happens all the time, you kept on holding such an hostile attitude and giving me a trial for what I already told you was part of the game and normal.
I don't know why I am currently explaining how being so hostile despite being given an answer from an admin can result in a kick which is extremely light to my opinion according to your recent amount of notes (I am not even going to talk about the two days ban you just took).
But this is just sad.
The very only thing that I believe could be held against me would be to answer my own ahelp and I'll answer that this rule exist to avoid an obvious bias, and to my opinion it does not apply to a FF in combat situation since there is no room for debate.
Cheers.
- artilljeristus
- Joined: Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:51 pm
- Byond Username: Artilljerist
Re: [complaint] Pette artilljerist
I'm not big into introductions, but let's talk on the point.Dolth wrote:Hello.
In this spoiler, the first FF.In this spoiler, the second FF.Spoiler:Now regarding the whole kick.Spoiler:
Yes, I have kicked you and to be quite honest I wanted to ban you for one to two hours so you could actually chill out but I was told not to by someone in the staff.
I don't know yet how to get PM logs so I'll refer to your screenshots only where it apparently doesn't bother you to insist on giving your own ruling to an admin.
You were literally yelling out of salt (despite of being revived afterward because I pulled you back) and even after being told it was an accident and that FF happens all the time, you kept on holding such an hostile attitude and giving me a trial for what I already told you was part of the game and normal.
I don't know why I am currently explaining how being so hostile despite being given an answer from an admin can result in a kick which is extremely light to my opinion according to your recent amount of notes (I am not even going to talk about the two days ban you just took).
But this is just sad.
The very only thing that I believe could be held against me would be to answer my own ahelp and I'll answer that this rule exist to avoid an obvious bias, and to my opinion it does not apply to a FF in combat situation since there is no room for debate.
Cheers.
You just shot two marines, and this happens for a reason. Such cases occur only through someone's fault, and in my memory the shooters were to blame for this, because no one dies instantly from FF twice in a minute. The point here is not at all that I was somehow aggressive, toxic, or hostile towards you, this is a mistake, I briefly explained to you what should be done to prevent this from happening again and I wasn't even rough to you specifically, but simply stated a facts. You could have avoided losses by aiming at the foot, because your shotgun has lethal damage to people, at the highest point on the point blank distance. That we were subsequently reanimated a second before no-return point doesn't change anything.
You knew what risk you were taking when opening fire, and here the point is not that I went to personal insults or somehow salty to you, but that you killed two marines and considered the usual advice for rudeness and the second time you almost killed Moshel by kicking me from the server. Isn't that enough for you to understand, that this is at least unethical?
Notes problem has a separate topic of conversation, it's not the 1st problem here.
- Dolth
- Joined: Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:35 am
- Byond Username: Pette
Re: [complaint] Pette artilljerist
Yes, and I answered to you the reason being is an accident since, as proved above, you had two xenos next to you, slashing at you, including one being at claw range to me.artilljeristus wrote: I'm not big into introductions, but let's talk on the point.
You just shot two marines, and this happens for a reason. Such cases occur only through someone's fault, and in my memory the shooters were to blame for this, because no one dies instantly from FF twice in a minute.
Yes, people die from a single T35 BC/VG shotgun hit at close range, especially when they are already heavily wounded which was both of your situations. What are you even insiniuating? I used an abnormal weapon? You were wounded.
[2020-08-18 16:38:59.739] ATTACK: Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) has slashed Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) (NEWHP: -2.62499) East Caves (147, 103, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:01.138] ATTACK: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) has seizes up and falls limp... Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) (NEWHP: -156.275) East Caves (148, 103, 2)
Logs from the whole convo.artilljeristus wrote:The point here is not at all that I was somehow aggressive, toxic, or hostile towards you, this is a mistake, I briefly explained to you what should be done to prevent this from happening again and I wasn't even rough to you specifically, but simply stated a facts.
Spoiler:
No, it literally changes nothing beside the possible organ damages, but the overall damage are the same, and the armor is the same if you wear jaeger. And even if it would it really has nothing to do with any rule or whatsoever. To be fair there is actually a chance of being delimbed if you get too much damage to limbs, so chest is still better.artilljeristus wrote:You could have avoided losses by aiming at the foot, because your shotgun has lethal damage to people, at the highest point on the point blank distance. That we were subsequently reanimated a second before no-return point doesn't change anything.
See, this is exactly what I am talking about. The point totally is that "you went to personal insults or somehow salty to me", the two dead marine is, I repeat once for all, an accident that happens on a daily basis. Death from FF is a part of the game, and your character almost got killed from the kick because you earnt it. And finally, beside the fact I am pretty curious to know what's the "first problem here" I had, I am pretty confused you wanna talk about another problem yet discredit your previous 18 problems.artilljeristus wrote:You knew what risk you were taking when opening fire, and here the point is not that I went to personal insults or somehow salty to you, but that you killed two marines and considered the usual advice for rudeness and the second time you almost killed Moshel by kicking me from the server. Isn't that enough for you to understand, that this is at least unethical?
Notes problem has a separate topic of conversation, it's not the 1st problem here.
- artilljeristus
- Joined: Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:51 pm
- Byond Username: Artilljerist
Re: [complaint] Pette artilljerist
Perhaps you're right that shooting in the chest eliminates the risk of losing a limb, but I didn't checked that myself. However, if you were shooting exclusively at xenomorphs, our risks of being hidden somewhere on the edge of the map or being burned corpses in the lava were much less. The limbs are not a big problem, the autodoc will fix them easily. If I'm not mistaken, only the Shrike hurted me at that time.Dolth wrote:Yes, and I answered to you the reason being is an accident since, as proved above, you had two xenos next to you, slashing at you, including one being at claw range to me.artilljeristus wrote: I'm not big into introductions, but let's talk on the point.
You just shot two marines, and this happens for a reason. Such cases occur only through someone's fault, and in my memory the shooters were to blame for this, because no one dies instantly from FF twice in a minute.
Yes, people die from a single T35 BC/VG shotgun hit at close range, especially when they are already heavily wounded which was both of your situations. What are you even insiniuating? I used an abnormal weapon? You were wounded.
[2020-08-18 16:38:59.739] ATTACK: Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) has slashed Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) (NEWHP: -2.62499) East Caves (147, 103, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:01.138] ATTACK: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) has seizes up and falls limp... Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) (NEWHP: -156.275) East Caves (148, 103, 2)
Logs from the whole convo.artilljeristus wrote:The point here is not at all that I was somehow aggressive, toxic, or hostile towards you, this is a mistake, I briefly explained to you what should be done to prevent this from happening again and I wasn't even rough to you specifically, but simply stated a facts.Spoiler:No, it literally changes nothing beside the possible organ damages, but the overall damage are the same, and the armor is the same if you wear jaeger. And even if it would it really has nothing to do with any rule or whatsoever. To be fair there is actually a chance of being delimbed if you get too much damage to limbs, so chest is still better.artilljeristus wrote:You could have avoided losses by aiming at the foot, because your shotgun has lethal damage to people, at the highest point on the point blank distance. That we were subsequently reanimated a second before no-return point doesn't change anything.
See, this is exactly what I am talking about. The point totally is that "you went to personal insults or somehow salty to me", the two dead marine is, I repeat once for all, an accident that happens on a daily basis. Death from FF is a part of the game, and your character almost got killed from the kick because you earnt it. And finally, beside the fact I am pretty curious to know what's the "first problem here" I had, I am pretty confused you wanna talk about another problem yet discredit your previous 18 problems.artilljeristus wrote:You knew what risk you were taking when opening fire, and here the point is not that I went to personal insults or somehow salty to you, but that you killed two marines and considered the usual advice for rudeness and the second time you almost killed Moshel by kicking me from the server. Isn't that enough for you to understand, that this is at least unethical?
Notes problem has a separate topic of conversation, it's not the 1st problem here.
I allowed rude words only in relation to things in order to quickly characterize their degree of quality, and in this particular case the word "fucking" could be understood as "extreme", something in a high meaning, there is no need to be a linguist here. There are not too much measuring devices of acceptability here when thing comes to the lethal FF of two people.
Deaths from FF are infrequent and malicious, the thing that you calling FF is constantly injuries, sometimes they're critical, but they don't result in death as often as today. You just shot two people, realizing all the risks, and pretended that this is how it always happens, because it's part of the game. It's terrifying. Basically this complaint still remains relevant in relation to the killing of two marines and a rude kick from the server, further decision is no longer within my competence.
The 18 problems you mentioned are not specifically a question of this topic.
- Dolth
- Joined: Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:35 am
- Byond Username: Pette
Re: [complaint] Pette artilljerist
No. Total damage is the same, regardless of the aimed limb, even if you're delimbed, and you will be pulled/burnt whether or not you are delimbed.artilljeristus wrote:Perhaps you're right that shooting in the chest eliminates the risk of losing a limb, but I didn't checked that myself. However, if you were shooting exclusively at xenomorphs, our risks of being hidden somewhere on the edge of the map or being burned corpses in the lava were much less. The limbs are not a big problem, the autodoc will fix them easily. If I'm not mistaken, only the Shrike hurted me at that time.
This is irrelevant.
You're not in any position to "allow yourself rude words" with any players on this server, even less to the staff. I know 'fucking' means 'extreme', and again lethal FF happens (especially since both of you were low health as proven with logs), get on with it.artilljeristus wrote:I allowed rude words only in relation to things in order to quickly characterize their degree of quality, and in this particular case the word "fucking" could be understood as "extreme", something in a high meaning, there is no need to be a linguist here. There are not too much measuring devices of acceptability here when thing comes to the lethal FF of two people.
I don't understand why you can't realize a BC T35 can kill people who are already damaged. That's just how the game is coded, you saw it yourself. It's a single click, I didn't repeatedly shot at you. It's bad luck, it happens, and some people get decapped sometimes they don't make a fuss about it.artilljeristus wrote:Deaths from FF are infrequent and malicious, the thing that you calling FF is constantly injuries, sometimes they're critical, but they don't result in death as often as today. You just shot two people, realizing all the risks, and pretended that this is how it always happens, because it's part of the game. It's terrifying. Basically this complaint still remains relevant in relation to the killing of two marines and a rude kick from the server, further decision is no longer within my competence.
You're the one mentionning "past problems with me".artilljeristus wrote:The 18 problems you mentioned are not specifically a question of this topic.
Mentionning your 18 problems is just a taste of your own medicine.
I still believe you were extremely mad at just being killed from FF which I understand (proved by the ragequit, proved by the absence of ckey in the logs. But the whole attitude? Much less understandable.
Either way your responses are irrelevant to me so I will stop answering from now on unless you bring more arguments than "Aim somewhere else, FF isn't ok, I was rude but I allowed myself to it" or if a headmin asks me to.
- terranaut
- Joined: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:43 pm
- Byond Username: Terranaut
Re: [complaint] Pette artilljerist
This is a complete non-issue. You got killed as a complete accident, your body recovered. You bitch and moan and get kicked for it which doesn't leave a note nor inconvenience you really in another way. For everyone's sake I suggest you find better ways to spend your time.
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