What removed features/items/glitches do you miss?

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:28 am #130615

Bottom post of the previous page:

I also miss chloral.

It was my best friend as CMO.

As well as actually potent poly acid. Shit was fucking hilarious every time.

Amnestik · Post by **Amnestik** » Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:25 am #130646

Gotta admit though, chloral in hypospray + drag to virology disposal pretty cheap

IcePacks · Post by **IcePacks** » Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:02 pm #130691

iamgoofball wrote:https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/12738
more to come soon(tm)

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Post by **MMMiracles** » Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:23 pm #130696

RP.

:v)

ThanatosRa · Post by **ThanatosRa** » Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:14 pm #130744

So much self auging to come for me.

confused rock · Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:54 pm

Ikarrus wrote:I also miss chloral.

It was my best friend as CMO.

As well as actually potent poly acid. Shit was fucking hilarious every time.

At least you can butcher a carp from the carp plush using a hatchet for zombie power

TheNightingale · Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:57 pm

But that carp is your friend. It trusts you unconditionally, and will serve you forever. Would you kill that carp just for zombie powder? The carp who would lay down its life for you, would you force it to? O, what a cruel world we live in.

confused rock · Sun Nov 01, 2015 2:35 pm

TheNightingale wrote:But that carp is your friend. It trusts you unconditionally, and will serve you forever. Would you kill that carp just for zombie powder? The carp who would lay down its life for you, would you force it to? O, what a cruel world we live in.

Wait a minute, does the carp not attack you? because if so it might not actually be useless outside of getting carpotoxin.

TheNightingale · Sun Nov 01, 2015 2:38 pm

If you use it in your hand before deploying, it'll stare at you in adoration - and it won't attack you. A fun, if expensive, gimmick is to buy six carp and activate them all at once. Be the carp whisperer.

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Sun Nov 01, 2015 2:45 pm #131036

Trekchem * 1000

Malf not having the shitty hack and self destruct mechanism as part of the gamemode.

grenades not being shit.

lings actually having a reason to absorb people

And for all the wrong reasons:
Nuke core being movable and irradiating everything coming into a 10 tile radius.

Doritos · Post by **Doritos** » Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:37 pm #131041

O L D S P E E D

#freemyniggaStungloves

Wall throws.

Radio icons.

Parasting.

Grabs KOing people

REFILLABLE SLEEPY PENS

Insta KO chloral

Being able to RCD rwalls

captain sawrge · Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:09 pm

fun
a long long time ago, i had a notepad file of the UI/UE blocks, what each of them did, and which values gave you which colours, hair styles, etc.
I think genetics got changed or something so it doesn't matter anymore. I lost the file anyway, which kind of sucks since I spent like a good week on it

ShadowDimentio · Sun Nov 01, 2015 7:08 pm

Doritos wrote:O L D S P E E D

#freemyniggaStungloves

Wall throws.

Radio icons.

Parasting.

Grabs KOing people

REFILLABLE SLEEPY PENS

Insta KO chloral

Being able to RCD rwalls

Sleepy pens can be refilled on Goon and it's so, so fun. You can do stuff like make shitloads of amatatoxin and jab it into people and they walk around for like ten minutes before falling over dead. It's great.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:29 pm #131091

Things I'll try to PR ASAP:
Radio Icons
RCD r-walls
Refillable sleepy pens

Things i might PR but probably won't because it's controversial and no maintainer will merge it:
Wall throws
Parasting
Insta KO chloral
Stun gloves

I don't feel like starting a new NTstation crisis:
OLDSPEED

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:40 pm #131092

Oldspeed a shit

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:44 pm #131094

The ability to create rwalls with RCDs or destroy them? I wouldn't mind being able to destroy them, but creating them will be abused SO BAD now that RCDs can be filled with straight metal.

radio icons and refillable sleepy pens are good though.

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:55 pm #131095

Zilenan91 wrote:The ability to create rwalls with RCDs or destroy them? I wouldn't mind being able to destroy them, but creating them will be abused SO BAD now that RCDs can be filled with straight metal.

radio icons and refillable sleepy pens are good though.

When RCD's were able to destroy Rwalls there was only one on the station to begin with.

Now engineering gives every engineer one at roundstart. Having them destroy r-walls makes r-walls basically pointless and an RCD becomes an all access tool to everywhere even more than it already is.

ShadowDimentio · Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:38 am

iamgoofball wrote:Things I'll try to PR ASAP:
Radio Icons
RCD r-walls
Refillable sleepy pens

Things i might PR but probably won't because it's controversial and no maintainer will merge it:
Wall throws
Parasting
Insta KO chloral
Stun gloves

I don't feel like starting a new NTstation crisis:
OLDSPEED

ShadowDimentio wrote:Goof you cunt I can't hate you if you do what I want

Post by **Higgin** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 9:54 am #131206

Antag sec
Thermals/cloaker
I honestly like goofchem and the game feels in decent balance rn, hope his PRs go through
Parasting
Public lathe
The old e-gun sprites (see: current disablers)
ERP
Queen .midis

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:03 am #131208

Honestly I think the game was 'scarier' and 'spookier' back your not only very new to the game, but that certain 'overpowered' items were on offer to antagonists. Ranging from Parasting to Cloaking.

Helios · Post by **Helios** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:08 pm #131220

I like old laser gun sprites over current ones. They were dated, but so was stun prods. And if someone changed stunprods it'd feel weird

TheWiznard · Post by **TheWiznard** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:22 pm #131223

ShadowDimentio wrote:Oh at some point when Sybil was a separate codebase the clown's bag would honk when you clicked on it. It had no delay, and other people could hear it.

It was great.

There used to be a glitch where if you used an autoclicker clicked very very fast and hovered your mouse pointer inbetween the ui of your backpack slot and the screen it would repeatedly play the honk sound at like a million bpm and create a sound of death (like imagine thousands of clown honks all going off at the same time...better yet this is what it sounded like)

edit: I also miss being able to deconstruct walls with just a wrench/welder, I think it's fucking stupid how it is now tbh
edit2: also it's not currently removed but, you can play the guitar, violin, and piano all at the same time : ^ )

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:50 pm #131227

Do you mean decon rwalls? If it's regular walls you can just make a false wall with a wrench and a welder which is basically deconstructing it.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:53 pm #131228

Yes, but back in the day you'd completely disassemble that wall this way. Which is actually deconstructing it.

Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:14 am

yeah i'm still pissed that got merged in the first place
even in the old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old builds of the game, walls were deconstructed with welder -> wrench. why we had to change it is beyond me

onleavedontatme · Tue Nov 03, 2015 2:13 am

PKPenguin321 wrote:yeah i'm still pissed that got merged in the first place
even in the old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old old builds of the game, walls were deconstructed with welder -> wrench. why we had to change it is beyond me

"Consistency"

onleavedontatme · Tue Nov 03, 2015 2:14 am

Steelpoint wrote:Cloaking.

As someone who abused this to regularly kill everyone I'm glad it's gone.

It is zero fun for the crew because once the three pairs of thermals/AI is taken care of then everyone else just dies without having any chance at all.

Tokiko2 · Post by **Tokiko2** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 3:19 am #131331

I really liked old cryo. The one that knocked you unconcious and had a 2 minute manual ejection. They were amazing for traitoring and actually gave doctors a reason to not just shove everyone into cryo all the time. I do see why people hated it though, getting forgotten in there and not even knowing about the ejection was probably frustrating for some.

invisty · Post by **invisty** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 3:56 am #131332

Tokiko2 wrote:I really liked old cryo. The one that knocked you unconcious and had a 2 minute manual ejection. They were amazing for traitoring and actually gave doctors a reason to not just shove everyone into cryo all the time. I do see why people hated it though, getting forgotten in there and not even knowing about the ejection was probably frustrating for some.

Because players absolutely abhor the un-necessary waiting-around of cryo, and even more so the idea of being vulnerable to traitors.

Honestly? I think it was a mistake to remove the unconsciousness part.

ShadowDimentio · Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:54 am

Old cryo was awful. Terrible medics would stuff you in there every time you got a scratch and then wander off, forcing you to wait two minutes to get out and keep playing the game.

Besides. Sleepers have always been better, if only because they're faster.

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:33 pm #131657

Tokiko2 wrote:I really liked old cryo. The one that knocked you unconcious and had a 2 minute manual ejection. They were amazing for traitoring and actually gave doctors a reason to not just shove everyone into cryo all the time. I do see why people hated it though, getting forgotten in there and not even knowing about the ejection was probably frustrating for some.

Yeah laying unconscious in a cryo tube was atmospheric. The only change that was needed was to eject you when you are fully healed.

One Seven One · Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:37 pm

Being able to hit tab+enter to make the Orion Trail games spit out eight toys at a time.

Post by **lumipharon** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:54 pm #134136

Old cryo was great. Medbay could use them as ghetto prison cells for unruly fucks, or for antags to render people helpless for murder/conversion.
Now medbay is 100% self service, no possibility of other people interferring allowed.

ShadowDimentio · Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:56 pm

lumipharon wrote:Old cryo was great. Medbay could use them as ghetto prison cells for unruly fucks, or for antags to render people helpless for murder/conversion.
Now medbay is 100% self service, no possibility of other people interferring allowed.

Except that some idiot put morphine in the sleepers

So if someone wants to troll you, guess what, you're comatose for 5 minutes now

Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:08 am

ShadowDimentio wrote:
lumipharon wrote:Old cryo was great. Medbay could use them as ghetto prison cells for unruly fucks, or for antags to render people helpless for murder/conversion.
Now medbay is 100% self service, no possibility of other people interferring allowed.
Except that some idiot put morphine in the sleepers

So if someone wants to troll you, guess what, you're comatose for 5 minutes now

sleepers had sleep toxin before goofchem, they've always had a KO option

Helios · Post by **Helios** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 5:25 am #134191

GHOST CHAIR SPINNING
BRING IT BACK

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 6:56 am #134196

Or at least ghost light flickering.

...was this here or Bay?

Incomptinence · Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:18 am

Radio icons were great especially for shouting from your mech so everyone can just see you got one.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:20 am #134416

Ghost light flickering would be awesome, but chair spinning not so much.

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:46 pm #134465

there was nothing funnier than finding a prisoner chained to a chair, and spin them around at super sanic speed while they screamed

unfortunately people used it for meta

Helios · Post by **Helios** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:09 pm #134496

Ricotez wrote:there was nothing funnier than finding a prisoner chained to a chair, and spin them around at super sanic speed while they screamed

unfortunately people used it for meta

Nah, the best was on escape shuttles that were empty, except for a couple people, and every single dead person was a ghost spinning a chair.
Was spooky.

Akkryls · Post by **Akkryls** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:29 pm #134501

One Seven One wrote:Being able to hit tab+enter to make the Orion Trail games spit out eight toys at a time.

I miss being able to EMP arcades to get them to spit out toys.
They got changed so they now explode when they get EMP'd. I didn't realise this, built an arcade next to the PA to grab a few toys to play with and took out half the front window in front of the PA; I'm lucky it didn't damage the engine itself.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:37 pm #134504

Akkryls wrote:
One Seven One wrote:Being able to hit tab+enter to make the Orion Trail games spit out eight toys at a time.
I miss being able to EMP arcades to get them to spit out toys.
They got changed so they now explode when they get EMP'd. I didn't realise this, built an arcade next to the PA to grab a few toys to play with and took out half the front window in front of the PA; I'm lucky it didn't damage the engine itself.

This needs to come back. Right. Fucking. Now.

ShadowDimentio · Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:32 pm

Why would you even remove that. WHY. There's only fun toys in the arcade, nothing even important! CODERS! CODERS!!

newfren · Post by **newfren** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:37 pm #134568

You can still get toys pretty reliably from an arcade machine if you have the ion rifle but we never got a HoS cool enough to let you borrow it.

iamgoofball · Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:22 pm

thats dumb i'll look into readding emping the arcade machine for toys

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:24 pm #134597

I remember being able to cheese the Orion trail machines by repeatedly clicking an option before it loads a response to skip ahead and get negative value components.
Also emagging an arcade shouldn't tell anyone it's Outbomb Cuban Pete until it's too late, very hard to kill people that way these days

FantasticFwoosh · Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:31 pm

The lack of varied stuff from the upgraded crusher exploit, it was sweet just managing our own business without having to get so dirty waiting for mining (though i admit the foam dart exploit was shitty)

iamgoofball · Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:41 pm

FantasticFwoosh wrote:The lack of varied stuff from the upgraded crusher exploit, it was sweet just managing our own business without having to get so dirty waiting for mining (though i admit the foam dart exploit was shitty)

i thought I blacklisted all bullets? ah well

i might PR it again, mining might hate me though

Gun Hog · Post by **Gun Hog** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:01 am #134607

iamgoofball wrote:
FantasticFwoosh wrote:The lack of varied stuff from the upgraded crusher exploit, it was sweet just managing our own business without having to get so dirty waiting for mining (though i admit the foam dart exploit was shitty)
i thought I blacklisted all bullets? ah well

i might PR it again, mining might hate me though

As much as I support it, it is a waste of time. You know it will be denied. Now, if more items had proper material lists, it might become worth it again to recycle items (a crusher is not actually needed, the Destructive Analyzer transfers materials it harvests to the Protolathe)...Having an item's material list be equal to its research design datum requirement. In layman's terms, make it so that every item can be recycled to obtain the minerals required to build it. Additionally, any item with an origin tech level which cannot be fabricated should have materials in them that seem logical - such as the the Hand Tele containing a small amount of diamond.

Edit: As I checked the code for the hand tele, I discovered that it is composed of 5 sheets of metal. Go figure.

Post by **lumipharon** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:45 am #134653

Just make the materials obtainable from all items the same as what it takes to build with a max efficiency auto/protolathe. (if the recycler is maxed, if not then wastage)
The you can look at lower tier lathes as inefficiency, or wastage. Like how Eve handles manufacturing.

Basically, A dildo cannon might have a base material requirement of 100 metal.
The level of manipulator in the lathe would add a multiplier to the mat requirements (t4 would be 1, t3 might be 1.1, etc etc), to give you something like what we got now in term of the cost of making shit, and upgrades.
(ie: base mat cost X multiplier = required minerals)
Then with the recycler, the manipulator in that would have a multiplier for getting minerals back, with t4 again being 1, but with the lower tiers being lower (0.9 etc etc).
(base mat cost X multiplier = recycled minerals)

This would mean if you have maxed proto/autolathes AND recycler, you'd get 100% return on materials, while anything less would result in lost materials either in manufacturing or recycling.